Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Redler, I think you owe me a refund. I'm sending your pdf's back. Keith Addison wrote: Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything. JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print versions are not for sale and not available. Different media of delivery have different effects, and the differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You use the right ones for the job. We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, that's where people who want the information go anyway. I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they were biting us too (but they're not biting us). JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Best Keith Hi Chris, and all who replied, thankyou... Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a pdf file. Chris.. ... but I don't really want to stop it. It's not bothering us. The main reason I posted it is in case any other list members have resources that the guy's selling. It happens all the time, I just got another complaint about someone called velvet_fist doing the same thing with JtF stuff at eBay. I think it's a general Internet phenomenon, it won't go away even if the individuals responsible are stopped. Like crime. It's not the only phenomenon at work though, what's the overall effect? Maybe I just have a slightly different attitude to pests. Everything's organically grown round here, even websites and mailing lists, and fighting pests isn't the best way to do it. They're not pests unless they do you damage. If they are doing you damage it's not an eradication problem, it's a management problem, and in effect the pests are telling you where the problem lies. Without them you wouldn't know it. Maybe that all sounds a little idealistic, but it works. Not only that, nothing else works. Thanks! Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Dude, it wasn't me! I'm talking to a guy in Nigeria who's trying to secure the inheritance of an exiled prince. He said that if I put his name on my bank account, they will have a safe place to put the money until everything settles down - and I get to keep the interest!! :-) - Redler Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, I think you owe me a refund. I'm sending your pdf's back. Keith Addison wrote: Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything. JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print versions are not for sale and not available. Different media of delivery have different effects, and the differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You use the right ones for the job. We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, that's where people who want the information go anyway. I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they were biting us too (but they're not biting us). JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Boy, that's a coincidence - I have deal going with a nice man in Nigeria who is going the help me with Sani Abacha's fortune! Nice to know we'll both be rich... Mike Redler wrote: Dude, it wasn't me! I'm talking to a guy in Nigeria who's trying to secure the inheritance of an exiled prince. He said that if I put his name on my bank account, they will have a safe place to put the money until everything settles down - and I get to keep the interest!! :-) - Redler Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, I think you owe me a refund. I'm sending your pdf's back. Keith Addison wrote: Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything. JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print versions are not for sale and not available. Different media of delivery have different effects, and the differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You use the right ones for the job. We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, that's where people who want the information go anyway. I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they were biting us too (but they're not biting us). JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a pdf file. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Hi Chris, and all who replied, thankyou... Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a pdf file. Chris.. ... but I don't really want to stop it. It's not bothering us. The main reason I posted it is in case any other list members have resources that the guy's selling. It happens all the time, I just got another complaint about someone called velvet_fist doing the same thing with JtF stuff at eBay. I think it's a general Internet phenomenon, it won't go away even if the individuals responsible are stopped. Like crime. It's not the only phenomenon at work though, what's the overall effect? Maybe I just have a slightly different attitude to pests. Everything's organically grown round here, even websites and mailing lists, and fighting pests isn't the best way to do it. They're not pests unless they do you damage. If they are doing you damage it's not an eradication problem, it's a management problem, and in effect the pests are telling you where the problem lies. Without them you wouldn't know it. Maybe that all sounds a little idealistic, but it works. Not only that, nothing else works. Thanks! Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything. JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print versions are not for sale and not available. Different media of delivery have different effects, and the differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You use the right ones for the job. We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, that's where people who want the information go anyway. I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they were biting us too (but they're not biting us). JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Best Keith Hi Chris, and all who replied, thankyou... Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a pdf file. Chris.. ... but I don't really want to stop it. It's not bothering us. The main reason I posted it is in case any other list members have resources that the guy's selling. It happens all the time, I just got another complaint about someone called velvet_fist doing the same thing with JtF stuff at eBay. I think it's a general Internet phenomenon, it won't go away even if the individuals responsible are stopped. Like crime. It's not the only phenomenon at work though, what's the overall effect? Maybe I just have a slightly different attitude to pests. Everything's organically grown round here, even websites and mailing lists, and fighting pests isn't the best way to do it. They're not pests unless they do you damage. If they are doing you damage it's not an eradication problem, it's a management problem, and in effect the pests are telling you where the problem lies. Without them you wouldn't know it. Maybe that all sounds a little idealistic, but it works. Not only that, nothing else works. Thanks! Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
There is another way... If we all send 'questions' giving the website address of JTF, asking if the information adds to what is on the site for free? - Then we point people who read the feedback to our site, perhaps derail some of his sales. Eventually he may get the message. Also do we have a copyright statement saying all that is on the site is 'not for retail sale without permission of the authors' : this may scare them into submission if they think they are leaving themselves open to litigation?? regards Doug On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, Do you think it would help if we all pressed ebay at once? -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM, Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Dave...check eBay rules first. This may conflict with their policy of not being able to refer to websites (except your eBay store) in an auction. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay? I suppose I could put up an auction starting at $.01 with the same products and then put in the description something like: If you are looking for a product like xxx, check JTF first to see if its free. -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:52:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay? Keith, Do you think it would help if we all pressed ebay at once? -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM, Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Keith, Ebay has some strongly written policies on copyright infringement. I would start with this link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/questions/vero-ended-item.html My wife sells quite a few items on ebay and has seen this policy recently being used quite effectively! More information: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/copyrights.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html --Randall Charlotte, NC ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay? I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Deb Suran sent me further information, she's into hounding the guy, and good luck to her. This is his name: George Powell 15596 Grape Creek Rd Danville, IL (217) 443-3934 Deb said this: I'm writing to let you know than an eBay vendor, yllar17, has been stealing free plans available on the internet, including yours (and mine), and selling them on eBay as his own original copyrighted work. For years. Here's what he currently has for sale at eBay, all stolen: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZyllar17 How did I find you? eBay refused to kick him off their service permanently, and instead only briefly suspended him after I caught him selling our plans twice. So I purchased a copy of this thief's CD collection of all the plans he's selling, copied text from the PDF files on the CD into google, and found your website. In an afternoon of searching I found 10 websites that originally published some of the files he currently has for sale. I have attached the PDFs of your stolen plans from that CD to this e-mail. Four whole eBay pages of ripped off plans at the link. Check it out, maybe you're there too. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Deb Suran sent me further information, she's into hounding the guy, and good luck to her. This is his name: George Powell 15596 Grape Creek Rd Danville, IL (217) 443-3934 Deb said this: I'm writing to let you know than an eBay vendor, yllar17, has been stealing free plans available on the internet, including yours (and mine), and selling them on eBay as his own original copyrighted work. For years. Here's what he currently has for sale at eBay, all stolen: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZyllar17 How did I find you? eBay refused to kick him off their service permanently, and instead only briefly suspended him after I caught him selling our plans twice. So I purchased a copy of this thief's CD collection of all the plans he's selling, copied text from the PDF files on the CD into google, and found your website. In an afternoon of searching I found 10 websites that originally published some of the files he currently has for sale. I have attached the PDFs of your stolen plans from that CD to this e-mail. Four whole eBay pages of ripped off plans at the link. Check it out, maybe you're there too. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Keith, Do you think it would help if we all pressed ebay at once? -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM, Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
If you are a registered eBay user, you can go the URL below and post a comment about how he is stealing things and selling them. There is already one such comment. Several hundred would not make him look too good. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Deb Suran sent me further information, she's into hounding the guy, and good luck to her. This is his name: George Powell 15596 Grape Creek Rd Danville, IL (217) 443-3934 Deb said this: I'm writing to let you know than an eBay vendor, yllar17, has been stealing free plans available on the internet, including yours (and mine), and selling them on eBay as his own original copyrighted work. For years. Here's what he currently has for sale at eBay, all stolen: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZyllar1 7 How did I find you? eBay refused to kick him off their service permanently, and instead only briefly suspended him after I caught him selling our plans twice. So I purchased a copy of this thief's CD collection of all the plans he's selling, copied text from the PDF files on the CD into google, and found your website. In an afternoon of searching I found 10 websites that originally published some of the files he currently has for sale. I have attached the PDFs of your stolen plans from that CD to this e-mail. Four whole eBay pages of ripped off plans at the link. Check it out, maybe you're there too. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
I suppose I could put up an auction starting at $.01 with the same products and then put in the description something like: If you are looking for a product like xxx, check JTF first to see if its free. -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:52:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay? Keith, Do you think it would help if we all pressed ebay at once? -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM, Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
Oh, nuts. Well, there's 20 bucks wasted. Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. Deb Suran sent me further information, she's into hounding the guy, and good luck to her. This is his name: George Powell 15596 Grape Creek Rd Danville, IL (217) 443-3934 Deb said this: I'm writing to let you know than an eBay vendor, yllar17, has been stealing free plans available on the internet, including yours (and mine), and selling them on eBay as his own original copyrighted work. For years. Here's what he currently has for sale at eBay, all stolen: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZyllar17 How did I find you? eBay refused to kick him off their service permanently, and instead only briefly suspended him after I caught him selling our plans twice. So I purchased a copy of this thief's CD collection of all the plans he's selling, copied text from the PDF files on the CD into google, and found your website. In an afternoon of searching I found 10 websites that originally published some of the files he currently has for sale. I have attached the PDFs of your stolen plans from that CD to this e-mail. Four whole eBay pages of ripped off plans at the link. Check it out, maybe you're there too. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/