Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Jason Mier wrote: thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. Robert's post pointed out the myth about the GM Diesels being modified Oldsmobile Gasoline engines. Oddly, wikipedia articles both perpetuate and dispel the myth. Most likely I hadn't seen a vehicle equipped with a GM V6 diesel is because this is an agriculture and oil field area. Full sized family sedans where expected to be able to work as hard as a pickup if need be and would have V8 power. Many around here do miss the availability pickups and full sized sedans with the GM 5.7 diesel. Just too far away from the big cities to buy imported models. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500 Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
you're being kind... Jason Mier wrote: thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500 Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
- Original Message - From: Jason Mier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. I'm away from my home computer right now, so replying is awkward . . . We've been over this before. The GM diesels were NOT modified gassers as is so often reported. They had the same external dimensions as the standard small block V8 so they could bolt up to the same engine mounts and transmissions, but an internal inspection reveals MUCH beefier construction. The reputation these engines gained for unreliability stemmed from several factors, some of which were design based, and others over which the engineers had little to no control. There were several engineering problems that included (but were not limited to) too few head bolts for the compression pressure (they used the same bolt pattern as the gasoline heads, which were designed for half the compression ratio!), poor quality one use head bolts that stretched after being torqued, insufficient radiator air exchange area for such a high compression pressure engine (which made them prone to overheating) and a rather delicate fuel injection pump (the Roosa Master, which was designed for an agricultural diesel) that did not tolerate bad fuel very well. We sometimes forget how bad the diesel fuel of the late 1970's and early 1980's actually WAS . . . Most people who bought cars with these engines abused their Olds diesels terribly. They neglected fuel filters, refused to let the engines warm up when it was cold outside, put poor quality fuel in the tank, towed boats through the desert, overheated them repeatedly, and when the head gaskets blew, often repaired the heads (or replaced them) using the same bolts as originally installed. However, re-installing stretched head bolts dramatically increased the likelihood that the engine would overheat again. Hence, the Olds diesel developed a bad reputation. Yet some of these engines have lasted a very long time and are still in use. These tend to be owned by people with experience running diesel engines, the engines were thus well treated, and they have proven reliable under those circumstances. Olds diesels also very economical to run. Yes, the Mercedes diesels with Bosch fuel injection pumps were more reliable in their day--but they were also MUCH more expensive, and the people who owned them maintained them accordingly. This is all in the archives, if you look! robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes all have a V6 diesel. If you are driving a fairly new Dodge sprinter (here in Europe known as the Mercedes Sprinter) it is possible to order a V6 diesel.Just my 2 cents worth.ArdenOn Aug 15, 2007 02:38 AM, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm. I don't know anyone who makes a V-6 diesel engine. What's it in, how old is it, and who manufactured it. On 8/14/07, fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Has any had experience with using Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine? If so, is there any adverse effect? fox ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Hmmm. I forgot about the old detroit diesels. Here in the US, the diesel sprinter vans that I've seen use an inline 6 instead of a V6. I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. On 8/15/07, Arden Norder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes all have a V6 diesel. If you are driving a fairly new Dodge sprinter (here in Europe known as the Mercedes Sprinter) it is possible to order a V6 diesel. Just my 2 cents worth. Arden On Aug 15, 2007 02:38 AM, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm. I don't know anyone who makes a V-6 diesel engine. What's it in, how old is it, and who manufactured it. On 8/14/07, fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Has any had experience with using Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine? If so, is there any adverse effect? fox ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Hello all, Has any had experience with using Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine? If so, is there any adverse effect? fox ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Ummm. I don't know anyone who makes a V-6 diesel engine. What's it in, how old is it, and who manufactured it. On 8/14/07, fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Has any had experience with using Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine? If so, is there any adverse effect? fox ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Ummm. I don't know anyone who makes a V-6 diesel engine. What's it in, how old is it, and who manufactured it. Some of the Detroit 2 cycle diesels where, are? available in a V6 configuration. I remember that my dad's first oil well servicing rig was power by a V6 71 DD. Wikipedia reveals that the V configuration was introduced in 1957. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
