Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220
Hi Joe Hi Keith and all; Well I should say something here for sure. Although my reactor design is quite different in the details of the way it is put together and the parts used it has all the functionality of Dale's touchless design and in fact it was his design that inspired me to do something similar. Ian's vacuum processor was another I looked at. Primarily I liked the fact that it could suck the methoxide in rather than it having to be forced in with pressure which gave me the willies thinking about what would happen if there was a leak and methoxide started spraying out somewhere. Air-pressure from a small aquarium aeration pump isn't going to spray anything anywhere, it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath. At least in my set-up it does. I never understood why people want to inject it straight into the pump rather than into the top of the processor. Eg, the brew in the inlet pipe changes colour immediately when I add the H2SO4, which also goes in the top, and it's only 0.1% of the total volume, not 20% like methanol. So it's not as if it doesn't get effectively mixed if you just drop it in the top. Vacuuming in the methoxide sounds much more hazardous and leak-prone to me, though I'm sure it's not. Just a matter of perceptions methinks. The other advantages i.e. in situ drying with high speed and all that were a bonus so I decided to do the same thing in my own way. I can't remember if I wrote to Dale or Ian, I think I might have but in any case they definitely inspired me and I would like to thank both of them for that. With regard to the high prices you mentioned for some of the stuff which is being sold (and doesn't work so great) some of the parts on my system are expensive but the costs of all the items are listed in the bill of materials and you can see how they add up. There is no profit taking anywhere obviously. Well I'm not selling anything anyhow. I couldn't quite follow the links to the Chinese site which details the reactor does it look any good? I didn't have any luck with it. It doesn't sound like a vacuum processor so it can't really be compared to the touchless or Ian's or mine. No, it's just an improved dumb-down. That it's short of vacuum doesn't change the fact that it's derived from Dale's processor but nobody's admitting it, though this is a big deal money-wise. Joe, what you've done is what's supposed to happen with collaborative technology development, nobody could possibly object, or not with any reason. Best Keith Joe Keith Addison wrote: I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over our website that we're journalists after all. I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I could find, but maybe someone else will do better. It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message: Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people who promote it. -- See: Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original Touchless processor: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special. Just a 100-liter processor made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o) -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 11 Jan 2001 It's still an advanced design, five years later. Maria Girl Mark Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her Appleseed reactor, as she now called it: I want to write to dale scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned. I don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't push it. Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, China patent pending. But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged. That's one reason I'm posting this message here. Another reason is that we established at the list that the FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred dollars, though Rudi sells it for
Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220
touchless processor Indeed. Hrmpph I haven't touched my processor in months. Too busy bailing water... Keith Addison wrote: I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over our website that we're journalists after all. I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I could find, but maybe someone else will do better. It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message: Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people who promote it. -- See: Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original Touchless processor: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special. Just a 100-liter processor made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o) -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 11 Jan 2001 It's still an advanced design, five years later. Maria Girl Mark Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her Appleseed reactor, as she now called it: I want to write to dale scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned. I don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't push it. Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, China patent pending. But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged. That's one reason I'm posting this message here. Another reason is that we established at the list that the FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred dollars, though Rudi sells it for $3,000 - er, sorry, that's only $2,995 - plus all the add-ons that should be part of the package in the first place. I wonder what he'll be charging for OEM Appleseeds he pays $220 for? Girl Mark also sells her Appleseeds for about $3,000. Rudi needs a new trick anyway, I see quite a few other people flogging FuelMeister lookalikes in the US now, even if Josh doesn't endorse them. Anyway, IMNSHO it's the people who get it right that will make the difference and all this other stuff just doesn't matter in the long run. I really don't care about some guy who's agonising over whether to buy a FuelMeister or an Appleseed or just use DSE or Acusorb beads, but on the other hand I suppose it's no bad thing if Rudi junks the odious FuelMeister in favour of these neo-Appleseeds from China. Best Keith Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: yanson corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OEM-outsourcing (biodiesel) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mr. Wu Qing-Yuan: I am the president of Biodiesel Solutions of Reno, NV, the home of the FuelMeister processor. We are the world¡¯s leading supplier of personal-scale biodiesel production equipment. We are VERY interested in importing and marketing your machines in the USA. While we currently manufacture these machines ourselves, we are primarily a ¡°system integrator¡±, ¡°marketer¡± and ¡°value-added service provider¡± for biodiesel equipment. We have a trained and active network of over 53 dealers in the USA alone, plus many more overseas. If you are interested in rapidly opening up the US market for biodiesel equipment, please send me details about your product offerings. Best regards, Rudi Wiedemann President / CEO Biodiesel Solutions, Inc. 1395 Greg Street, #102 Sparks, NV 89431 877-358-6400 (toll free) 775-358-6400x101 (direct) 775-358-6499 (fax) http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/www.biodieselsolutions.com - - We are the low-cost OEM (original equipment manufacturer) of a house-designed 50-gallon all-metal personal homebrew processor (reaction chamber) destined for a biodiesel supply business in the US. (First shipment arriving L.A. port early July.) This reaction chamber (RC) tank features a conical bottom for easy drainage, a substantial improvement over flat-bottomed water heater conversion. The inner vessel is stainless steel and removable outer casing and cap are regular steel, with 1 Styrofoam
Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220
Hi Keith and all; Well I should say something here for sure. Although my reactor design is quite different in the details of the way it is put together and the parts used it has all the functionality of Dale's touchless design and in fact it was his design that inspired me to do something similar. Ian's vacuum processor was another I looked at. Primarily I liked the fact that it could suck the methoxide in rather than it having to be forced in with pressure which gave me the willies thinking about what would happen if there was a leak and methoxide started spraying out somewhere. The other advantages i.e. in situ drying with high speed and all that were a bonus so I decided to do the same thing in my own way. I can't remember if I wrote to Dale or Ian, I think I might have but in any case they definitely inspired me and I would like to thank both of them for that. With regard to the high prices you mentioned for some of the stuff which is being sold (and doesn't work so great) some of the parts on my system are expensive but the costs of all the items are listed in the bill of materials and you can see how they add up. There is no profit taking anywhere obviously. Well I'm not selling anything anyhow. I couldn't quite follow the links to the Chinese site which details the reactor does it look any good? It doesn't sound like a vacuum processor so it can't really be compared to the touchless or Ian's or mine. Joe Keith Addison wrote: I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over our website that we're journalists after all. I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I could find, but maybe someone else will do better. It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message: Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people who promote it. -- See: Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original Touchless processor: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special. Just a 100-liter processor made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o) -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 11 Jan 2001 It's still an advanced design, five years later. Maria Girl Mark Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her Appleseed reactor, as she now called it: I want to write to dale scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned. I don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't push it. Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, China patent pending. But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged. That's one reason I'm posting this message here. Another reason is that we established at the list that the FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred dollars, though Rudi sells it for $3,000 - er, sorry, that's only $2,995 - plus all the add-ons that should be part of the package in the first place. I wonder what he'll be charging for OEM Appleseeds he pays $220 for? Girl Mark also sells her Appleseeds for about $3,000. Rudi needs a new trick anyway, I see quite a few other people flogging FuelMeister lookalikes in the US now, even if Josh doesn't endorse them. Anyway, IMNSHO it's the people who get it right that will make the difference and all this other stuff just doesn't matter in the long run. I really don't care about some guy who's agonising over whether to buy a FuelMeister or an Appleseed or just use DSE or Acusorb beads, but on the other hand I suppose it's no bad thing if Rudi junks the odious FuelMeister in favour of these neo-Appleseeds from China. Best Keith Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: yanson corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OEM-outsourcing (biodiesel) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mr. Wu Qing-Yuan: I am the president of Biodiesel Solutions of Reno, NV, the home of the FuelMeister processor. We are the
[Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220
I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over our website that we're journalists after all. I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I could find, but maybe someone else will do better. It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message: Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people who promote it. -- See: Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original Touchless processor: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special. Just a 100-liter processor made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o) -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 11 Jan 2001 It's still an advanced design, five years later. Maria Girl Mark Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her Appleseed reactor, as she now called it: I want to write to dale scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned. I don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't push it. Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, China patent pending. But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged. That's one reason I'm posting this message here. Another reason is that we established at the list that the FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred dollars, though Rudi sells it for $3,000 - er, sorry, that's only $2,995 - plus all the add-ons that should be part of the package in the first place. I wonder what he'll be charging for OEM Appleseeds he pays $220 for? Girl Mark also sells her Appleseeds for about $3,000. Rudi needs a new trick anyway, I see quite a few other people flogging FuelMeister lookalikes in the US now, even if Josh doesn't endorse them. Anyway, IMNSHO it's the people who get it right that will make the difference and all this other stuff just doesn't matter in the long run. I really don't care about some guy who's agonising over whether to buy a FuelMeister or an Appleseed or just use DSE or Acusorb beads, but on the other hand I suppose it's no bad thing if Rudi junks the odious FuelMeister in favour of these neo-Appleseeds from China. Best Keith Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: yanson corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OEM-outsourcing (biodiesel) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mr. Wu Qing-Yuan: I am the president of Biodiesel Solutions of Reno, NV, the home of the FuelMeister processor. We are the world¡¯s leading supplier of personal-scale biodiesel production equipment. We are VERY interested in importing and marketing your machines in the USA. While we currently manufacture these machines ourselves, we are primarily a ¡°system integrator¡±, ¡°marketer¡± and ¡°value-added service provider¡± for biodiesel equipment. We have a trained and active network of over 53 dealers in the USA alone, plus many more overseas. If you are interested in rapidly opening up the US market for biodiesel equipment, please send me details about your product offerings. Best regards, Rudi Wiedemann President / CEO Biodiesel Solutions, Inc. 1395 Greg Street, #102 Sparks, NV 89431 877-358-6400 (toll free) 775-358-6400x101 (direct) 775-358-6499 (fax) http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/www.biodieselsolutions.com - - We are the low-cost OEM (original equipment manufacturer) of a house-designed 50-gallon all-metal personal homebrew processor (reaction chamber) destined for a biodiesel supply business in the US. (First shipment arriving L.A. port early July.) This reaction chamber (RC) tank features a conical bottom for easy drainage, a substantial improvement over flat-bottomed water heater conversion. The inner vessel is stainless steel and removable outer casing and cap are regular steel, with 1 Styrofoam insulation all-around in-between. It is a welded structure reinforced with heavy gauge brackets/spacers for integrity, unlike the fragile poly
