ially when
> > > family and friends are
> > > >gathered together during their time off. Although
> > > it's hard to quantify,
> > > >there is value in activities like sitting in front
> > > of a fireplace.
> > >
> > > and doing the rig
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> From: "Michael Redler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
> Sent: 28 Apr 2005 00:18:39
>
> Hi Hakan,
>
> Let's move on to another thread, shall we? We have much to talk about.
>
> Peace,
>
&g
ff. Although
> > > it's hard to quantify,
> > > >there is value in activities like sitting in front
> > > of a fireplace.
> > >
> > > and doing the right thing, "burning water". An
> > > expensive school experiment,
> > > but who cares, i
What were they adding?
Who is they?
Where was this being done?
Without those trivial little details, your message does little to
increase the signal to noise ratio on the list.
jh
What is you basis for the comment?
What we want to know, is what proof do you have for making it?We w
I will bow out.
Michael Redler wrote:
Bob,
"me too"?
Then why are you quoting me in your response instead of using your own words? Because you thought you'd be clever by suggesting we "Instead gather around a nice red nichrome wire".
...not funny of clever.
You and Hakan -- what's wit
I think we've dealt with this issue.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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> > but who cares, it is the modern way of having a
> > romantic moment. Burning
> > the money will give less BTU anyway, or maybe not,
> > the way that the $ is
> > heading.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
>
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 00:38
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
> Hi Bob;
>
> There's not anything much more to add only that they were putting mildly
> radioactive material in washing powder to make the laundry dry more
> quickly.:-)
>
&g
I started out with a simple statement about fireplaces and how they "aren't the
first choice for heating one's home". That is to say that I don't care what
people use as a "fireplace". Wood, gas, HYDROGEN; The point that I was trying
to make is that when it comes to a fireplace, I'm not sure h
And you could quadruple the space heat by using such high quality energy as the
electrolyzer uses to run a heat pump. Using electricity even as resistance heat
is wasteful. To halve it in an electrolyzer compounds the problem. Commerce is
not the test. We have all seen foolish products that are
Bob,
"me too"?
Then why are you quoting me in your response instead of using your own words?
Because you thought you'd be clever by suggesting we "Instead gather around a
nice red nichrome wire".
...not funny of clever.
You and Hakan -- what's with you guys?
Mike
bob allen <[EMAIL PROT
> but who cares, it is the modern way of having a
> > romantic moment. Burning
> > the money will give less BTU anyway, or maybe not,
> > the way that the $ is
> > heading.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >
um, whatever floats your boat Bob.
We've been talking about the efficiency/effectiveness
of H2 in a fireplace
me too
, the value of a fireplace as an
efficient source of heat
me too
and power sources for
electrolysis.
me too. It seems a little silly to use electricity, whatever the sour
Who is they?
Where was this being done?
Without those trivial little details, your message does little to
increase the signal to noise ratio on the list.
jh
JD2005 wrote:
Hi Bob;
There's not anything much more to add only that they were putting mildly
radioactive material in washing powd
Hi Bob;
There's not anything much more to add only that they were putting mildly
radioactive material in washing powder to make the laundry dry more
quickly.:-)
JD2005
- Original Message -
From: bob allen
> whoa doggies, could you elaborate on this a little?
>
>
> JD2005 wrote:
> > I d
eading.
>
> Hakan
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Greg Harbican <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You still run into H2 storage issues.
> >You would have to spend days making H2 just to run
> the fireplace for a few
> >of hrs.
> >
>
Point taken.
Mike
--- robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Redler wrote:
> > I don't see conflicting opinions. I just see
> different motives.
> >
> > Agreed; H2 via electrolysis is not efficient by
> most comparisons. But, since when is a fireplace
> anyone's first choice
s making H2 just to run
> the fireplace for a few
> >of hrs.
> >
> >Why bother?
> >
> >It is more efficient to use the energy in another
> manor.
> >
> >Greg H.
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork"
&g
t; >
> > Why bother?
> >
> > It is more efficient to use the energy in another
> manor.
> >
> > Greg H.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12
> >
That is entirely correct.
It's a feel good solution.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:48
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
> Hi Greg,
&g
to use the energy in another manor.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind
generator
regards
talle
--- Original Message -
From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
>
>
> I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind
generator
> regards
> tallex
>
>
>
>
> Alternate
I don't see conflicting opinions. I just see different motives.
Agreed; H2 via electrolysis is not efficient by most comparisons. But, since when is a fireplace anyone's first choice for an efficient means of heating a home? Yet millions of people (including myself and other environmentally co
I understand that hydrogen flames are pale, hard to see, and emit much
less radiative heat than flames from the combustion of carbon and its
compounds. I don't think a hydrogen fireplace would satisfy those who
wanted a fireplace for the colour and play of its flames and the
radiated heat. In a tr
rom: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
> Sent: 26 Apr 2005 17:29:42
>
> You still run into H2 storage issues.
> You would have to spend days making H2 just to run the fireplace for a few
> of hrs.
>
> Why b
JD2005 wrote:
I do not agree with the utilisation of water to get wasser stoff (hydrogen)
but it is possible to dissociate water with radioactive material such as
they are putting in washing power these days to make laundry dry more
quickly.
JD2005
- Original Message -
From: bob alle
m: "Alt.EnergyNetwork"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
>
>
> I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind
generator
> regards
> tallex
>
>
>
>
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---Original Message---
> From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
> Sent: 26 Apr 2005 17:29:42
>
> You s
I do not agree with the utilisation of water to get wasser stoff (hydrogen)
but it is possible to dissociate water with radioactive material such as
they are putting in washing power these days to make laundry dry more
quickly.
JD2005
- Original Message -
From: bob allen
> I guess if you
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
>
>
> I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind
generator
> regards
> tallex
>
>
>
>
> Alternate Energy Resource Network
> 10
recover the lost heat, but still there have to be better ways to provide
space heat.
It would be just as efficient and a lot cheaper to run a bare nichrome
wire for heat.
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote:
I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator
regards
talle
And if you dumped the power into a resistor (heater) you would get twice as
much heat as the fireplace.
"Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator
regards
tallex
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I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator
regards
tallex
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