[Biofuel] Re: thermal depolymerization

2005-08-05 Thread Keith Addison

Forgot about this...

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg45810.html
[Biofuel] 'Changing World Technologies' Plan to Turn Garbage into Oil

Best

Keith



Hello Brian

Ok, I promised the list admin I would look in the archives before I 
asked questions about new subjects.  I did find some stuff about 
thermal depolymerization TDP.
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htmht 
tp://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm
I really would like to know what the current group thinks about the 
Thermal Conversion Process (TCP). I have read the company blurbs at 
Changing World Technologies site and a few other articles found on 
the Web. Have you all exhausted your talk on this already? In the 
meantime I will keep searching the archives. I realize that TDP is 
not a backyard project so if you want to leave it alone I will 
understand.


Brian Rodgers


It's a hardy perennial, always popping up in a new guise, whether 
oil from turkey parts or whatever. An archive search for 
Fischer-Tropsch will tell you much, including this fascinating 
snippet, from a list member:


One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for 
going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's 
synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of 
Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down 
into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He 
brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected 
this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal 
as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version 
of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As 
the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he 
couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he 
realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had 
been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, 
alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took 
his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to 
Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and 
it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest 
synthetic fuels producer globally.


Try these:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg46496.html
Re: [Biofuel] Chrisgas

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39855.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39881.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39888.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg32941.html
Re: [biofuel] Sunoil better than biodiesel

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg24063.html
Re: [biofuel] longdiscover article: anything to oil!

Best

Keith



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[Biofuel] Re: thermal depolymerization

2005-08-04 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Brian

Ok, I promised the list admin I would look in the archives before I 
asked questions about new subjects.  I did find some stuff about 
thermal depolymerization TDP.
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htmhtt 
p://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm
I really would like to know what the current group thinks about the 
Thermal Conversion Process (TCP). I have read the company blurbs at 
Changing World Technologies site and a few other articles found on 
the Web. Have you all exhausted your talk on this already? In the 
meantime I will keep searching the archives. I realize that TDP is 
not a backyard project so if you want to leave it alone I will 
understand.


Brian Rodgers


It's a hardy perennial, always popping up in a new guise, whether oil 
from turkey parts or whatever. An archive search for 
Fischer-Tropsch will tell you much, including this fascinating 
snippet, from a list member:


One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for 
going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's 
synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of 
Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down into 
shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He 
brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected 
this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal as 
feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version of 
synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As the 
highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he couldn't 
figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he realized that the 
late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had been the politic 
behind the scenes, making sure that his new, alternative fuel ideas 
did not materialize. This scientist then took his blueprints for the 
first major GTL project and gave them to Sasol who built his first 
coal gasification device back in 1953 and it is still operating 
today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest synthetic fuels producer 
globally.


Try these:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg46496.html
Re: [Biofuel] Chrisgas

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39855.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39881.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg39888.html
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg32941.html
Re: [biofuel] Sunoil better than biodiesel

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg24063.html
Re: [biofuel] longdiscover article: anything to oil!

Best

Keith


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