Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Evergreen Solutions wrote: I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I drove twice as much I would use the # above. I hope this helps. Derick Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands metrics better. Now I have to convert. :) I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a gallonI think that's worth distilling. Not so, sadly. You might be able to recover up to 70% of the excess methanol used in the process, that's much less than the total used. Depending on the kind of oil you're using, it takes from 110-160 milliliters of methanol per liter of oil to form the methyl esters molecule. But you also need to use an excess of methanol to push the conversion process towards completion -- the total used is usually 20% and more of the volume of oil used, 200 ml per liter or more. -- from Make your own biodiesel: Reclaiming excess methanol http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim 5:1 (oil to methanol) = 20% methanol v/v oil = 200 ml per liter. 70% of 200 ml is 140 ml. But at least 110 ml becomes methyl esters biodiesel, leaving at most 90 ml to be reclaimed. 70% of 90 ml is 63 ml, only 31.5% of the total methanol used. I don't think many people get 70% of the excess back without reversing the reaction, I only know of one (not me, sorry to say). Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
349 is about 120 too much. Those torpede heaters run on diesel, kero or bd. des wrote: I spent an hour trying to beat the price of methanol that I bought last time, from a race car enthusiast, who sold it to me for $3.50 / gallon. I called the local fuel / oil distributor, who has quite a monopoly in this small town, and his prices reflect that fact. Their current pricing is $349. plus tax for a 55 gallon drum, or $7.00 per gallon. Upon calling other nearby towns, I found it to be quite unavailable at other similar types of suppliers. (one receptionist was actually quite cold in her response, I assume the boss warned her about the druggie types that might be calling... Who knows...) So I guess I'm back to getting it from the race car enthusiast. Last time I bought it, I got 10 gallons, I've been sharing it, with a neighbor who has farm equipment, another neighbor who has a diesel Suburban, and using it myself in my diesel Datsun pickup. The 50 gallons I made with 10 gallons of methanol has lasted all of us over 2 months, (I'm the only one running more than B20, just been adding B100 to whatever is in the tank, my full tank is now close to 85% BD. and no evidence of rubber decomposition...) The Lye was made available to me through an industrial soap manufacturer in this small town, I've used about 1/3 of a gallon jug of the dry beads. Didn't weigh the jug full, so I can't say exactly how much I've used. On another note, I gave a friend a couple of gallons last week end, and he tried mixing it with kerosene for a heater that looks like a torpedo, or jet engine. (wish I could tell you what he calls it.) He reports that it burned well, good heat, smells like food, and no kerosene odor at all... doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Keith--thanks for the clarification on distillation. Everything we're working on right now is theoretical :) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I to have had and are still having a hard time with gal veers liter grams per once except I have found that all the info is metric yet some of the equipment is in gal or ounces thats why I convert using the charts on the internet. Sorry I am not trying to confuse you maybe I need help with the measurements. I find I need to write down all steps or I get things all screwed up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evergreen Solutions Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 6:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I drove twice as much I would use the # above.I hope this helps. Derick Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands metrics better. Now I have to convert. :) I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a gallonI think that's worth distilling. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic
Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic. They do NOT appear to ship it. US$7.66 + tax for 908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina. Claims to be 100% NaOH Roebic 2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener Item #: 146450Model: HD-CRY Description: Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)Clears tough clogs from pipes and drainsMelts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs Keeps drains clearEconomical www.lowes.com search by item # 146450 Kim wrote:Greetings,Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.I am sorry, but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from BoyerCorporation,Their KOH is 99% pure.Bright Blessings,Kim-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic
I thank you very much. On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic. They do NOT appear to ship it. US$7.66 + tax for 908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina. Claims to be 100% NaOH Roebic 2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener Item #: 146450 Model: HD-CRY Description: Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see this info five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in. Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content to read and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. The alternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler. So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can be had locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we have a Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get methanol for my test batches? Slowly but surely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Brian Rodgers wrote:I thank you very much. You are welcome, of course...Kim knew about it, I just copied the stock #... This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see thisinfo five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in. Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content toread and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. Thealternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler.So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can behad locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we havea Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get methanol for my test batches?Slowly but surely,Brian Rodgers Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) and there's one in Clovis, NM...Other auto parts stores carry it too. We have a fuel distributor here in town, when I get to the point of moving beyond test batches. I just started driving my VW Jetta TDI as a daily driver last Monday, so I'm still in the test batch stage myself... Fred Finch wrote:Paul,make sure to update the subject heading. fred Sorry Fred, Keith et al. My bad. I realized it as soon as I hit 'send' and Gmail doesn't have a recall option. If I have one complaint about Gmail, it is that it does not show you the subject title on replies. But it is not their fault, it is mine, I just need to click the 'Edit Subject' button DOH! -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
hey thanks. yeah I caught that Kim pointed to the source but I was congtating you for the test batch. Anyway here I go again, Paul wrote: Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) Why do you mention this? Is heet methanol? If so, does the bottle list the purity? Again thanks for the help. I am currently reading (Again) the info found here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Keith I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot but that is a lot of information for me to organize in my mind. This group is a great source of info for a dope like me who has to ask it over and over to get a handle on it. to you all thanks. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
HEET blue is Methanol. .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount store - I paid .69 Brian Rodgers wrote: hey thanks. yeah I caught that Kim pointed to the source but I was congtating you for the test batch. Anyway here I go again, Paul wrote: Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) Why do you mention this? Is heet methanol? If so, does the bottle list the purity? Again thanks for the help. I am currently reading (Again) the info found here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Keith I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot but that is a lot of information for me to organize in my mind. This group is a great source of info for a dope like me who has to ask it over and over to get a handle on it. to you all thanks. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Hey thanks On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEET blue is Methanol. .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount store - I paid .69 Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 thats including the taxes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul S Cantrell Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:29 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet Brian Rodgers wrote: I thank you very much. You are welcome, of course...Kim knew about it, I just copied the stock #... This is just the kind of info I need to get started. If I see this info five or so times it just may have a chance to sink in. Keith said I should just get started. At the moment I am content to read and research as I don't own a diesel engine. I am in no rush. The alternative is to make ethanol which is why I joined to this group to begin with. It seems to me like bio-diesel is a whole lot simpler. So for me just getting started is finding where the chemicals can be had locally. Your info did just that. I live in New Mexico and we have a Lowes. Now I need, I know, always something else, where do I get methanol for my test batches? Slowly but surely, Brian Rodgers Advance Auto Parts has Heet (yellow bottle) on sale this week for *only* US$0.98 per 12 oz (355 ml) and there's one in Clovis, NM...Other auto parts stores carry it too. We have a fuel distributor here in town, when I get to the point of moving beyond test batches. I just started driving my VW Jetta TDI as a daily driver last Monday, so I'm still in the test batch stage myself... Fred Finch wrote: Paul, make sure to update the subject heading. fred Sorry Fred, Keith et al. My bad. I realized it as soon as I hit 'send' and Gmail doesn't have a recall option. If I have one complaint about Gmail, it is that it does not show you the subject title on replies. But it is not their fault, it is mine, I just need to click the 'Edit Subject' button DOH! -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Good luck! Brian Rodgers wrote: Hey thanks On 10/3/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEET blue is Methanol. .98 is expensive try a dollar store or discount store - I paid .69 Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I spent an hour trying to beat the price of methanol that I bought last time, from a race car enthusiast, who sold it to me for $3.50 / gallon. I called the local fuel / oil distributor, who has quite a monopoly in this small town, and his prices reflect that fact. Their current pricing is $349. plus tax for a 55 gallon drum, or $7.00 per gallon. Upon calling other nearby towns, I found it to be quite unavailable at other similar types of suppliers. (one receptionist was actually quite cold in her response, I assume the boss warned her about the druggie types that might be calling... Who knows...) So I guess I'm back to getting it from the race car enthusiast. Last time I bought it, I got 10 gallons, I've been sharing it, with a neighbor who has farm equipment, another neighbor who has a diesel Suburban, and using it myself in my diesel Datsun pickup. The 50 gallons I made with 10 gallons of methanol has lasted all of us over 2 months, (I'm the only one running more than B20, just been adding B100 to whatever is in the tank, my full tank is now close to 85% BD. and no evidence of rubber decomposition...) The Lye was made available to me through an industrial soap manufacturer in this small town, I've used about 1/3 of a gallon jug of the dry beads. Didn't weigh the jug full, so I can't say exactly how much I've used. On another note, I gave a friend a couple of gallons last week end, and he tried mixing it with kerosene for a heater that looks like a torpedo, or jet engine. (wish I could tell you what he calls it.) He reports that it burned well, good heat, smells like food, and no kerosene odor at all... doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I drove twice as much I would use the # above. I hope this helps. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 4:11 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
'pends on how much you're making. I don't make much because I don't drive much, each US gallon is roughly 800 ml Methanol and about 20 - 25 gams lye, depending on oil, so 5 gallons of BD is about 4 litres methanol and 125 grams or so of lye. YMMV. Brian Rodgers wrote: this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if Idrove twice as much I would use the # above.I hope this helps. Derick Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands metrics better. Now I have to convert. :) I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a gallonI think that's worth distilling. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
