Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
How about anti-malarials? Some of those can have some pretty wierd mental effects. When I was on Larium I didn't have any dreams for the 6 weeks I was on it. Most people start getting really vivid dreams from it, but that's normal for me, so I guess it did the opposit. A friend of mine started hearing voices in his head from it. Another friend took a different antimalarial, which effectively tranquilized her. On 3/14/06, Jason L Walck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno about drugs but I think I took aspirin and drank some water to fight the heat. I thought it was interesting when we would watch Live feeds on CNN showing my camp being hit by RPG and Rocketfire when in reality it was a quiet starry night. Both sides are evil not just the other one. Jay ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:41 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
I dunno about drugs but I think I took aspirin and drank some water to fight the heat. I thought it was interesting when we would watch Live feeds on CNN showing my camp being hit by RPG and Rocketfire when in reality it was a quiet starry night. Both sides are evil not just the other one. Um, you have three sides there, you, them, and CNN. I guess your point still stands though. Best Keith ' Jay ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:41 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Yes,I've noticed that quinine (in effervescent form) when mixed with ethanol and juniper essence has a very blurring effect on me.On 15Mar, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:How about anti-malarials? Some of those can have some pretty wierd mental effects. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
I dunno about drugs but I think I took aspirin and drank some water to fight the heat. I thought it was interesting when we would watch Live feeds on CNN showing my camp being hit by RPG and Rocketfire when in reality it was a quiet starry night. Both sides are evil not just the other one. Jay ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:41 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Hi Mike snip There is a lot of dissent growing here but, no real characters to motivate the people (yet). Although intellectuals like Chomsky are vital to educating the movement, I would give anything to bring back the Chicago Seven. Do you think they still make them that way Mike? Hope springs eternal but it's a little hard to imagine a neo-Chicago Seven just sitting there quietly in the background waiting for someone to press the button. It's not like there's not enough BS to get a person all fired up after all. Maybe they don't make acid anymore, that's the trouble. So far, the NSA and Homeland Security (the new COINTELPRO) hasn't knocked on my door. I suppose they are preoccupied with supporting the (as of yet undocumented) Arab Exclusion Act. In solidarity, Mike Steal this email! :-) Ta-daah!!! http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html Steal This Book By Abbie Hoffman :-) Hm. It lacks a certain something when you don't have to steal it, you can just download it and no need to strike a blow for freedom. LOL! Best Keith Gary L. Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude! Without writing a 20 page response of minutia into the heart of your feelings, let me just say I'm glad to hear from someone who feels like I do. The heros of the Vietnam conflict are now all Canadian citizens. The current Christo-fascists have made me so ill that I left my own country. Hope to go back one day and lend a voice to reason and light. Most likely though that won't happen. Married a woman from another country and she doesn't want anything to do with the USA after living there for 4 years. Peace bro. Gary On 12Mar, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Michael Redler wrote: By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country? Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, eminent attacks! But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience. One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a ta ught behavior). Could this be an indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits? ...just a thought. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Hi Marilyn Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? I saw those reports, I was also in England then. Google finds some smatterings, unofficial stuff, eg: Junior XNA [Xinhua News Agency] staffers stopped work after editors suppressed a report, based on hospital accounts, that soldiers had been given amphetamines prior to clearing out Tiananmen and protesters had been shot with dum dum bullets forbidden by the Geneva convention. Another: The soldiers had obviously been drugged because sedatives were ineffective on them. The doctors believed that military personnel had been given amphetamines before being sent into the square. As wounded students began streaming back onto the university campus, they confirmed the bizarre behavior of the soldiers who they reported had been laughing hysterically as they mowed down the students... This is from The Age, not just about Tiananmen Square: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/20/1042911325152.html More than once were warriors out of their tiny minds - theage.com.au I keep hearing about it, but never enough to pin it down. It goes back to the WW2 research findings that most soldiers wouldn't pull the trigger even under direct attack, not quite the good news the military wanted to hear. How to make them kill on demand, so they're capable of violent acts without guilt feelings, ie turn them into psychopaths? It seems it's not so easy, the Milgram experiment etc to the contrary. Little pills might help though. Best Keith Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Excellent link Keith. Thank you.You wrote: "It's not like there's not enough BS to get a person all fired up after all."Although there's a sad flip side to this observation, I like to think of the amazing effect a struggle has on the human condition.You might be right. We might not be there yet. I'm certainly not wondering where my next meal is coming fromand whether or not I'll have clothes or shelter in the foreseeable future.Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi MikeThere is a lot of dissent growing here but, no real characters to motivate the people (yet). Although intellectuals like Chomsky are vital to educating the movement, I would give anything to bring back the Chicago Seven.Do you think they still make them that way Mike? Hope springs eternal but it's a little hard to imagine a neo-Chicago Seven just sitting there quietly in the background waiting for someone to press the button. It's not like there's not enough BS to get a person all fired up after all. Maybe they don't make acid anymore, that's the trouble.So far, the NSA and Homeland Security (the new COINTELPRO) hasn't knocked on my door. I suppose they are preoccupied with supporting the (as of yet undocumented) "Arab Exclusion Act".In solidarity,MikeSteal this email!:-)Ta-daah!!!http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.htmlSteal This BookBy Abbie Hoffman:-)Hm. It lacks a certain something when you don't have to steal it, you can just download it and no need to strike a blow for freedom. LOL!BestKeith"Gary L. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Dude!Without writing a 20 page response of minutia into the heart of your feelings, let me just say I'm glad to hear from someone who feels like I do.The heros of the Vietnam conflict are now all Canadian citizens.The current Christo-fascists have made me so ill that I left my own country. Hope to go back one day and lend a voice to reason and light. Most likely though that won't happen. Married a woman from another country and she doesn't want anything to do with the USA after living there for 4 years.Peace bro.Gary___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Dude!Without writing a 20 page response of minutia into the heart of your feelings, let me just say I'm glad to hear from someone who feels like I do.The heros of the Vietnam conflict are now all Canadian citizens.The current Christo-fascists have made me so ill that I left my own country. Hope to go back one day and lend a voice to reason and light. Most likely though that won't happen. Married a woman from another country and she doesn't want anything to do with the USA after living there for 4 years.Peace bro.GaryOn 12Mar, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Michael Redler wrote:By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country? Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, "eminent attacks"! But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience. One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a ta ught behavior). Could this be an indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits? ...just a thought. Mike___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Hi Mike Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by interfering with the amygdala's receptors and ultimately allowing victims to maintain a level of memory similar to that of a bystander. But they weren't bystanders. What a cop-out. Not erasing memories they say, but what's it matter if you just don't care about them anymore? This is just telling yourself lies, isn't it? That's the usual way these days, eh, switch channels and pretend it didn't happen. Dumb everyone down. It doesn't work well. Sure, stuff happens, random traumas, as they say, but if you can't face something you yourself did, not as an innocent bystander, well maybe you just have to come to terms with it one way or another, and with yourself too. What BS to conclude that if the amygdala's giving you traumas then your brain isn't working properly and needs adjustment. Maybe it IS working properly and it's your attitudes that need adjustment. Now if they'd said anything about torture victims, but they didn't, the main aim seems to be the soldiers. Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country? Yes, if that's primarily what it's to be used for. Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, eminent attacks! Bravo! But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience. Ulp... Have you seen what the ETC Group (RAFI) says about the convergence of biotech, nanotechnology and neural manipulation? I don't think they're just setting up a clamour. See, eg: http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159 ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Century http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=249 HyPEing the Human Genome: The Dissent Disease One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. That's mostly the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda - one of the worst human-rights crises of the past century. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/001/18.30.html Deliver Us from Kony Why the children of Uganda are killing one another in the name of the Lord. by J. Carter Johnson in Kitgum, Uganda | posted 12/30/2005 10:00 a.m. This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior). Hm. I think not entirely a taught behaviour. What's the minimum age a kid might say That's not fair! or You cheated!? But I won't argue about it. All best Keith Could this be an indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits? ...just a thought. Mike Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PTSD Combat Brew by ilona http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273/recentilona | http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273bio Scientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0603030157mar03,1, 2707614.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hedDrug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more] http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444 ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
What did I miss here? Propranolol helps maintain memory? In the classical music biz, propranolol use is endemic. A perfectionist approach has permeated the industry since hi-fi recordings have upped the ante. I use the drug when I have to play nerve-wracking solos in front of 1400 people, and the conductor is being an a-hole and trying to fire people (we have a woman conductor right now, and she's more stubborn in this regard than anyone previous!). All it seems to do is limit the amount of adrenalin produced due to stress, so I don't get that dreaded shakey-bow-arm. I've never noticed it affecting memory, in fact I still can feel 'nervous', but the resulting adrenalin rush is suppressed. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by interfering with the amygdala's receptors and ultimately allowing victims to maintain a level of memory similar to that of a bystander. But they weren't bystanders. What a cop-out. Not erasing memories they say, but what's it matter if you just don't care about them anymore? This is just telling yourself lies, isn't it? That's the usual way these days, eh, switch channels and pretend it didn't happen. Dumb everyone down. It doesn't work well. Sure, stuff happens, random traumas, as they say, but if you can't face something you yourself did, not as an innocent bystander, well maybe you just have to come to terms with it one way or another, and with yourself too. What BS to conclude that if the amygdala's giving you traumas then your brain isn't working properly and needs adjustment. Maybe it IS working properly and it's your attitudes that need adjustment. Now if they'd said anything about torture victims, but they didn't, the main aim seems to be the soldiers. Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country? Yes, if that's primarily what it's to be used for. Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, eminent attacks! Bravo! But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience. Ulp... Have you seen what the ETC Group (RAFI) says about the convergence of biotech, nanotechnology and neural manipulation? I don't think they're just setting up a clamour. See, eg: http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159 ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Century http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=249 HyPEing the Human Genome: The Dissent Disease One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. That's mostly the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda - one of the worst human-rights crises of the past century. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/001/18.30.html Deliver Us from Kony Why the children of Uganda are killing one another in the name of the Lord. by J. Carter Johnson in Kitgum, Uganda | posted 12/30/2005 10:00 a.m. This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior). Hm. I think not entirely a taught behaviour. What's the minimum age a kid might say That's not fair! or You cheated!? But I won't argue about it. All best Keith Could this be an indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits? ...just a thought. Mike Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PTSD Combat Brew by ilona http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273/recentilona | http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273bio Scientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0603030157mar03,1, 2707614.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hedDrug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more] http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444 ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Kieth,When I read the sentence starting with "Maybe it IS working..." and continued with "Now if they'd said anything about torture victims...", I said RIGHT-ON! That's an excellentobservation that shouldn't be missed. Ifocused on the aggressors and missedthe important fact that there was no emphasis onvictims as potential recipients of the drug.Thank you for the URL's. I will be sure to share with others discussing this topic.As for learned behavior, I may have been a little presumptuous. However, there doesn't seem to be much ambiguity about the potential of child soldiers (at least among other soldiers and military historians). I'm sure you are aware that this disgusting practice has been around for a long time. I included it in my reply because I wonder if children are less effected by traumatic events (strictly in terms of their ability as combatants).MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike"Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by interfering with the amygdala's receptors and ultimately allowing victims to maintain a level of memory similar to that of a bystander."But they weren't bystanders. What a cop-out. Not erasing memories they say, but what's it matter if you just don't care about them anymore? This is just telling yourself lies, isn't it? That's the usual way these days, eh, switch channels and pretend it didn't happen. Dumb everyone down. It doesn't work well. Sure, stuff happens, "random traumas", as they say, but if you can't face something you yourself did, not as an innocent bystander, well maybe you just have to come to terms with it one way or another, and with yourself too. What BS to conclude that if the amygdala's giving you traumas then your brain isn't working properly and needs adjustment. Maybe it IS working properly and it's your attitudes that need adjustment. Now if they'd said anything about torture victims, but they didn't, the main aim seems to be the soldiers. Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged?By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country?Yes, if that's primarily what it's to be used for.Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, "eminent attacks"!Bravo!But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience.Ulp... Have you seen what the ETC Group (RAFI) says about the convergence of biotech, nanotechnology and neural manipulation? I don't think they're just setting up a clamour. See, eg:http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Centuryhttp://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=249HyPEing the Human Genome: The Dissent DiseaseOne final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children.That's mostly the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda - "one of the worst human-rights crises of the past century".http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/001/18.30.htmlDeliver Us from KonyWhy the children of Uganda are killing one another in the name of the Lord.by J. Carter Johnson in Kitgum, Uganda | posted 12/30/2005 10:00 a.m.This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior).Hm. I think not entirely a taught behaviour. What's the minimum age a kid might say "That's not fair!" or "You cheated!"? But I won't argue about it.All bestKeithScientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD MemoriesBy ilona | bioScientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: [more]http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Gary,Minutia? Now isthe time to share your experience. With virtually the whole world connected to the largest database and public forum ever devised, there has never been a better time to make your opinion known.Vietnam isn't exempt from revisionist history and the truth about LBJ's antagonism in addition to corporate influence on foreign policy and US ambitions to prevent true democracy during that time is coming out. I believe that people like you are spokespersons foran era and perhapsinvitations to you and others like you should be more frequent.Re: "The heros of the Vietnam conflict are now all Canadian citizens."Absolutely! I never wastean opportunity to address those who express hostility toward "those draft dodgers". I simply ask the question: How do you call someone who invites so much ridicule and condemnation from fellow citizensin response to an act of conscience a "coward" or a "traitor"? It seems pretty gutsy to me. I say that knowing that there were people who fought in the war and felt that they were doing the right thing. So, as a result, Ialso invite hostility simply by supporting those dissenters.There is a lot of dissent growing here but, no real characters to motivate the people (yet). Although intellectuals like Chomsky are vital to educating the movement, I would give anything to bring back the Chicago Seven.So far, the NSA and Homeland Security (the new COINTELPRO) hasn't knocked on my door. I suppose they are preoccupied with supporting the (as of yet undocumented) "Arab Exclusion Act".In solidarity,MikeSteal this email!:-)"Gary L. Green" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude! Without writing a 20 page response of minutia into the heart of your feelings, let me just say I'm glad to hear from someone who feels like I do.The heros of the Vietnam conflict are now all Canadian citizens.The current Christo-fascists have made me so ill that I left my own country. Hope to go back one day and lend a voice to reason and light. Most likely though that won't happen. Married a woman from another country and she doesn't want anything to do with the USA after living there for 4 years.Peace bro. GaryOn 12Mar, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Michael Redler wrote:By the way, does anyone think that developmentof this drugrepresents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected bykilling for their country?Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, "eminent attacks"!But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience.One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. Thisis partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a ta ught behavior). Could this bean indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits?...just a thought.Mike___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
Contact Joyce Riley at HTTP://www.thepowerhour.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? Several US militiary men returning from Iraq have become violent against their wives, some wives being killed by these husbands in a California base. There has been a lot of speculation that this violence was brought on by reactions to drugs in their systems, but I haven't heard of any studies confirming this. If such studies did exist, we probably wouldn't hear about them anyway. There were news reports in England, where I lived at the time, that the Chinese troops who mowed down the protesters in Tiannamin Square were given drugs to make them aggressive, and this, in addition to being told that the students in the Square had been extremely violent, made them willing to kill their own people. Did US news sources report this? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
PTSD Combat Brew by ilona Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By ilona | bioScientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, Drug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more]http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
By the way, does anyone think that developmentof this drugrepresents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected bykilling for their country?Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, "eminent attacks"!But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience.One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. Thisis partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior). Could this bean indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits?...just a thought.MikeMichael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:PTSD Combat Brew by ilona Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By ilona | bioScientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, Drug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more]http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444__ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
