Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Darryl

Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an 
excuse to update
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .

I was thinking there was some something I wasn't thinking of, and 
that's it. I'd do better to link to your page, and Hakan's site too. 
I've been wanting to make more links to both your sites. I'll figure 
something out.

Meanwhile, the more ideas the better.

It needs some tidying up
anyway.

I know the feeling! :-(

Regards

Keith


Darryl


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  Hi Darryl
 
  Very nice!
 
  I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. 
My point is,
  don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 
  I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
 
  If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey
  to Forever for it, might help.
 
  It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work
  out that way I don't mind.
 
  Best wishes
 
  Keith
 
 
 
  Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their
  gasoline stations up
  for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the
  returns for their
  shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump
  them.  I won't
  be holding my breath.
  
  As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
  
  If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for 
whatever reason,
  here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
  
  1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
  
  2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local
  FreeCycle, or bike
  repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and
  practical for
  your use.  Then use it.
  
  3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if
  necessary.  Slight
  overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight 
underinflation.  Repeat
  monthly or more frequently if required.
  
  4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule.
  Check owner's
  manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control
  system problems,
  etc while you are at it.
  
  5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
  
  6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
  
  7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your
  vehicle.  There are
  many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE
  dual-fuel incentive,
  where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel 
capable.  Check your
  vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or 
appropriate (or make your
  own, of course).
  
  8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra
  weight uses more
  energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear.
  (e.g. sand and salt
  mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
  
  9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser /
  energy wise labels.
  
  10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something
  that is as fuel-
  efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not
  necessarily all of
  your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
  
  11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company
  to boycott or
  support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are
  local and have
  been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was 
fashionable.  I boycott
  Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record
  (and other
  undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop
  Exxon's gross
  revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would
  definitely get their
  attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet 
day won't.
  
  12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You 
get 0 mpg when
  idling in stopped traffic.
  
  I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. 
My point is,
  don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
  
  Darryl McMahon
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day





Anyone in Texas has a few choices

there is BioDrive in Addison

BioWillie at Carl's corner 

Ecowise on Congress

and Austin Biofuels on south slaughter

price for b99 with the tax credit is 2.99

b100 is 3.40

and the biowillie 20/80 is about the same price as regular diesel.

mel

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  Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
  I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just 
  like theguy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas 
  prices.He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car 
  on theroad due to gas prices. Poor fellow.Mel Riser 
  wrote: I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with 
  B100 that day. 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Mel Riser





I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my 
driveway.

guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the 
filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck.

My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would 
run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles.

I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a 
TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option.

mel

  -Original Message- From: Mel Riser 
  Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: 
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas 
  day
  I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that 
day.
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Weaver
Get the Jetta.

Mel Riser wrote:

 I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway.
  
 guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of 
 the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck.
  
 My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug 
 would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles.
  
 I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and 
 buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option.
  
 mel

 -Original Message-
 *From:* Mel Riser
 *Sent:* Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM
 *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Cc:*
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

 I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100
 that day.

  

 mel



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
Damn. I wish people would check validity of stuff before they send it
around. I have received one or two per day of these bogus emails about
sticking it up their collective behinds. I wish more people would
write something, anything in their own words and send it around to all
their friends. Internet Chain Letters, Yuk.
As mentioned here, it is simple to check out a story for rumor content
at www.snopes.com
I really like the way Barbara Mikkelson writes.
 Fun informative and she doesn't make you feel like you are an idiot.
Brian Rodgers

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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Stan
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Kirk McLoren
Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days.
Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work.

KirkStan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to.It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles.At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies.Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up their behind " day and the people of these two nations
 should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
Arggh.

This is an informal intelligence test that has been circulating aroun 
the Internet for at least 8 years under different guises. 
IT IS A HOAX.  DO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.

I mean, think for a minute: It has been calculated - by whom?  Some 
bored kid in a dorm?
In the US, no one buy gas on Christmas Day and nothing happens.

-Mike Home of the 500.00 dollar Nieman Marcus Cookie Recipe Weaver


Kirk McLoren wrote:

 Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh.
 Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by 
 storms -- and that is often for many days.
 Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life 
 style are all that will work.
  
 Kirk

 */Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
 everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
 petroleum.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

 
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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Andy Karpay

It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough




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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
alternatives to petroleum.

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread mphee
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
 Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
 Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted 
 by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a 
 renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all 
 that will work.
  
 Kirk
 
 Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
 serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to 
 petroleum.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to 
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
 
   
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread mphee
Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
 effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
 
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
 serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
 alternatives to petroleum.
 
 Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
 heard if it. I will check it from now on.
 
 I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
 wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
 boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
 period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
 this, it would be this group.
 Marilyn


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Darryl McMahon
Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations 
up 
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for 
their 
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them.  I 
won't 
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, 
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local FreeCycle, or 
bike 
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and practical 
for 
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if necessary.  
Slight 
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat 
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule.  Check 
owner's 
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system 
problems, 
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle.  There 
are 
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel 
incentive, 
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your 
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
your 
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses 
more 
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear.  (e.g. sand and 
salt 
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise 
labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as 
fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of 
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott 
or 
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and 
have 
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott 
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other 
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross 
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get 
their 
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when 
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is, 
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
 nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
 
 If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
 
 
 Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
 year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
 sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
 vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
  effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
  
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
  This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
  http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
  serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
  alternatives to petroleum.
  
  Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
  heard if it. I will check it from now on.
  
  I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
  wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
  boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
  period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
  this, it would be this group.
  Marilyn
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Keith Addison
Bravo Andy!

Do you know about the World Carfree Network?

http://www.worldcarfree.net/

Subscribe to WORLD CARFREE NEWS: 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
eng

Best wishes

Keith


It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
 forward if you want to.

snip


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support..

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread John Hayes
 You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
 can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
 
 Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
 Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
 Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
 Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
 Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
 Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
 
 Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
 Citgo...0 barrels 
 Sunoco.0 barrels 
 Conoco.0 barrels 
 Sinclair.0 barrels 
 BP/Phillips0 barrels 
 Hess0 barrels 
 ARCO...0 barrels 
 
 All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
 and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
 much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Darryl

Very nice!

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
(or make your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
lucky to make a
  nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
 
  If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
 
 
  Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
  year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
delivery it, and you
  sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
it.  Just by
  vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
 
 
  On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
   effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
  
   Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
   This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
   http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
   serve everyone to forward accurate information about
   alternatives to petroleum.
  
   Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
   heard if it. I will check it from now on.
  
   I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
   wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
   boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
   period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
   this, it would be this group.
   Marilyn
 


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2005-08-29 Thread marilyn
Thanks. I should have looked for this one on Snopes before I 
sent it.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the 
following 
 can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
 
 Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
 Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
 Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
 Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
 Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
 Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
 
 Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
 Citgo...0 barrels 
 Sunoco.0 barrels 
 Conoco.0 barrels 
 Sinclair.0 barrels 
 BP/Phillips0 barrels 
 Hess0 barrels 
 ARCO...0 barrels 
 
 All of this information is available from the Department of 
Energy 
 and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
 much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they 
were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Darryl McMahon
Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
update 
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
tidying up 
anyway.

Darryl


Date sent:  Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From:   Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Send reply to:  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Darryl
 
 Very nice!
 
 I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
 is,
 don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 
 I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
 
 If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
 to Forever for it, might help.
 
 It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
 out that way I don't mind.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
 gasoline stations up
 for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
 returns for their
 shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
 them.  I won't
 be holding my breath.
 
 As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
 
 If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
 here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
 
 1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
 
 2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
 FreeCycle, or bike
 repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
 practical for
 your use.  Then use it.
 
 3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
 necessary.  Slight
 overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
 monthly or more frequently if required.
 
 4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
 Check owner's
 manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
 system problems,
 etc while you are at it.
 
 5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
 
 6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
 
 7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
 vehicle.  There are
 many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
 dual-fuel incentive,
 where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
 your
 vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
 your
 own, of course).
 
 8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
 weight uses more
 energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
 (e.g. sand and salt
 mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
 
 9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
 energy wise labels.
 
 10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
 that is as fuel-
 efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
 necessarily all of
 your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
 
 11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
 to boycott or
 support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
 local and have
 been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
 Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
 (and other
 undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
 Exxon's gross
 revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
 definitely get their
 attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
 
 12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
 idling in stopped traffic.
 
 I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
 is,
 don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 
 Darryl McMahon
 
 
 
 mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
 lucky to make a
   nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
  
   If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
  
  
   Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil 
   last
   year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
 delivery it, and you
   sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
 it.  Just by
   vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
  
  
   On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
   
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate information about

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread RobertCVA



You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic.

I suppose it's worse than "0". Since in most cars the engine 
keeps running while stopped, it has the effect of a negative mpg on overall gas 
mileage.My 2004 Prius' engine stops when the traffic stops, which is 
great for mpg and air quality. And when traffic is crawling, I can 
usually rely on the electric motor to give me an overall boost to 
mpgs.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mel Riser




I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like the 
guy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices.
He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on the 
road due to gas prices.  Poor fellow.

Mel Riser wrote:

 I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.

  

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
At the rate Katrina is tearing through the gulf there may not be any gas 
to buy.

Darryl McMahon wrote:

Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
update 
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
tidying up 
anyway.

Darryl


Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From:  Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:   Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

Hi Darryl

Very nice!



I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
  

I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith





Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 


lucky to make a
  

nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 


delivery it, and you
  

sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 


it.  Just by
  

vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote


effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
I vote for Exxon - they never paid squat for the Valdez spill.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support..

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Mike Weaver
FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of 
orders.

Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Darryl

Very nice!

  

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.



I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



  

Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
(or make your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
  

lucky to make a


nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
  

delivery it, and you


sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
  

it.  Just by


vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
  

effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate information about
alternatives to petroleum.

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn




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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

2005-08-29 Thread Slydog
As others have stated I am sure one day would not do anything. So much is
made from oil like the tires and all the plastic peices on that bike you
want to ride around. I am new to all this but I don't see how it could be
fixed unless we as in all the U.S. and other countries went to vehicals run
on moonshine or water or something like that but even if we did that they
would find  way to charge outragious prices on that. We live in a world
where folks are willing to pay over a buck for 16oz of water that must say
something in it's self. I think the world has the greatiest shortage of
common sense as anything else.
- Original Message -
From: Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:44 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day



 It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
 errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
 delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
 national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
 a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
 we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
 FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
 gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
 transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
 products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
 I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
 Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
 have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
 From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


 This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
 everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
 petroleum.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
 
 The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as
 many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the
 word out.
 
 Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not
 going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in
 prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?
 
 Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up
 but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices,
 trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects
 prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing,
 building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end?
 We do!
 
 We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after
 one day, we will do it again and again.
 
 So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to
 everyone you know.
 
 Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the
 citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is
 enough
 



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