Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-10-02 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
elieve they are free." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:43 PM

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-29 Thread Appal Energy
Yah, well, Gary Trudeau I'm not. Andres Yver wrote: >On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 09:43 PM, Appal Energy wrote: > > > > > >>Well, with a little bit 'a luck and if you work at it a bit, you just >>might get your county commissioners, town council and mayor to lobby >>the military to let

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-29 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Mike. You should go work for Karl Rove. Excellent skills at taking quotes out of context. > OK Zeke, you got my attention with... > > "...and figured that killing a few people in order to kick start the > political process and > eventually potentially save many more people was worth it." I was

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Redler
OK Zeke, you got my attention with...   "...and figured that killing a few people in order to kick start the political process andeventually potentially save many more people was worth it."   Then followed up with:   "This has been going on for years, whether or not we approve." and   "Actually,

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-29 Thread Andres Yver
On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 09:43 PM, Appal Energy wrote: > Well, with a little bit 'a luck and if you work at it a bit, you just > might get your county commissioners, town council and mayor to lobby > the military to let your area and neighbors to be ground zero for > testing such "d

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread Scott Brown
y have come up with a few new tricks as well. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax > >The reality is if the DOD wanted to cover

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
> > So it's okay for civilians to make "battlefield decisions" in peace time > - decisions that effectively discount some human life in lieu of a > theoretically greater good? > This has been going on for years, whether or not we approve. Actually, it's probably what inspired the old Star Trek ep

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread Appal Energy
So Zeke, You're "...not even saying this was bad if it was what happened..." So it's okay for civilians to make "battlefield decisions" in peace time - decisions that effectively discount some human life in lieu of a theoretically greater good? How about we move your name to the top of the lis

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist, but if you were trying to increase funding for your bioterrorism department, don't you think it might work great if someone internal leaked a little anthrax through the postal system, and created a big hullabuloo, which would get congress in gear to give

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread Keith Addison
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:16 PM >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax > > >Yes, there are legitimate and good purposes to all of their plans. >But based on history I think we can trus

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-28 Thread marilyn
Keith Addison wrote: By the way, whatever happened to all those folks who were arrested for the anthrax attacks in 2001? Exerpts below from two articles in 2002 shed some light on his question: 1) Thinking the Unthinkable...Was the Anthrax an Inside Job? Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen d

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread Keith Addison
>Keith Addison posted an article which said: > > Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and > > is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern. > >So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that >could save thousands or tens of tho

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread
of billions, and not one significant leak. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:16 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax Yes, ther

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread Appal Energy
John, > And a knife can be used to cut up veggies for dinner > or it could be used to stab someone. A car can take > you to work or mow down a car full of pedestrians. > An Xray machine can find your cavities or deliver a > lethal dose. We're talking about a tool here, nothing > more. Tools may en

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread bmolloy
Hi All, The relevant point here is that anthrax as a weapon falls into the MAD (mutually assured destruction) category and has potentially more long-lasting harmful effects than the A-bomb. In 1939 at the start of WW2 British scientists testing the life span of anthrax sprayed it on a sma

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread Hakan Falk
John, I think that your arguments are strong and that this is a no win issue. Assume that the reasons are pure defence and concerns about the citizens of the world, then this facility is absolute necessary to do so. Assume that the real reasons are to develop an anthrax weapon and at the same t

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Yes, there are legitimate and good purposes to all of their plans. But based on history I think we can trust the US DOD to ignore the uses you have pointed out which could save lives, and focus on killing people. On 9/27/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith Addison posted an article

Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread John Hayes
Keith Addison posted an article which said: > Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans and > is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major concern. So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that could save thousands or tens of thousands

[Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

2005-09-27 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/dn8044 New Scientist US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax 24 September 2005 David Hambling THE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to lim