Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread Chip Mefford
Mike Weaver wrote: In the US, all Organic means, thanks to congress, is that the labell says Organic. It has no real value. It's to make you feel better. SNIP That's not completely true Mike. Have a friend who certifies organic farms, and tracks organic certification compliance for a

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread john
Well, since the true meaning of the basic work organic is anything animal or vegetable, almost any food stuff can be labelled organic. Does the lable say Certified Organic John Quoting Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike Weaver wrote: In the US, all Organic means, thanks to congress,

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between - I think I'm leery of USDA-approved because of all the loopholes - for instance your cattle must be feed natural non-GMO, non-chemically-laded feed, unless of course you think that's too expensive, then you can feed cattle toxic sludge pellets and

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread Kirk McLoren
Gotta raise your own. I know I know - cant leave syphilization and move to the country. Or can you? Kirk Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between - I think I'm leery of USDA-approved because of all the loopholes - for instance your cattle must

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-26 Thread Mike Weaver
If only... Kirk McLoren wrote: Gotta raise your own. I know I know - cant leave syphilization and move to the country. Or can you? Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between - I think I'm leery of USDA-approved because of all the

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-24 Thread Mike Weaver
In the US, all Organic means, thanks to congress, is that the labell says Organic. It has no real value. It's to make you feel better. Keith Addison wrote: Some valuable detail following up on the cell phone story This is about the most sensible thing I've seen about it so far. The

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike In the US, all Organic means, thanks to congress, is that the labell says Organic. It has no real value. It's to make you feel better. So I was saying to Terry Dyke about a month ago, in a rather tortuous discussion about Al Gore's movie, though Terry didn't agree. But I think you

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-24 Thread Mike Weaver
Ahhh...I should have qualified that - the *USDA Organic* label doesn't mean anything, though of course there are people who are using it and are organic. Don't rely on it to mean anything when shopping, though. -Sceptic Keith Addison wrote: Hello Mike In the US, all Organic means,

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-24 Thread John Beale
What about the 'certified third-party organic' products? What's that organization called, QAI? John On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: Ahhh...I should have qualified that - the *USDA Organic* label doesn't mean anything, though of course there are people who are using it and

[Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-23 Thread Kirk McLoren
Some valuable detail following up on the cell phone story I'm an organic beekeeper. Two things here. One, we would not be so dependent on commercial non-native factory farmed honey bees if we were not killing off native pollinators. Organic agriculture does not use chemicals or crops

Re: [Biofuel] bee followup

2007-04-23 Thread Keith Addison
Some valuable detail following up on the cell phone story This is about the most sensible thing I've seen about it so far. The Beyond Factory Farming Coalition are good folk, they talk a lot of sense about bird flu too, unlike most. Thanks Kirk. Best Keith >I'm an organic beekeeper. >