Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-17 Thread Jason and Katie



> Jason,
>
> Shouldn't you factor in some sort of labor cost even if you make the
> BD yourself (ie, how long would it take to make and how much would you
> pay someone, in this case yourself, to make it)?  is there no other
> overhead in addition to the cost of the fuel?  what about fixed
> overhead (cost of the space, lighting, depreciation of the equipment,
> etc)?
>
> Ramon

I consider my work and effort to be cheap if not free if it gains me
something directly, as for materials and space, my yard is mostly empty, and
i tend to go "dumpster diving" when it comes to parts, i rarely ever pay
off-the-shelf for anything.

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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-15 Thread Ramon
Jason,

Shouldn't you factor in some sort of labor cost even if you make the
BD yourself (ie, how long would it take to make and how much would you
pay someone, in this case yourself, to make it)?  is there no other
overhead in addition to the cost of the fuel?  what about fixed
overhead (cost of the space, lighting, depreciation of the equipment,
etc)?

Ramon

On 10/12/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zeke,
> I guess I should have been more specific.
> I was making the estimate assuming the brewer would be using the fuel
> themselves. it is a savings estimate, not a "profit" estimate.
>
> sorry for the confusion,
>
> jason
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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-13 Thread logan vilas

Bouchereau Oil CO Inc
   1272 Lafourche Street
   Donaldsonville, LA  70346
   http://www.chevrontexaco.com
 225-473-7662


 They are a bulk seller. They don't like selling it by the drum, but 
they will if you ask nicely. They perfer to sell it by tote tank or bulk 
truck. That number actually forwards you to Gobert oil company. They may be 
able to help you find cheaper in your area.


 Logan Vilas
 Bio-Fuel Enterprises, Inc.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA



I would like to know the company that is selling for that price I just
thought I had found a good deal @ $2.36 a gal. here in Dallas, Tx.  And to
get that price it has to be by the drum.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rodgers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA



I want some. Even at twice that price
Brian Rodgers


On 10/12/05, logan vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted
$1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to
buy
in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 
in

Thibideaux, Louisiana.

Logan Vilas

- Original Message -
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA


> You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the
> biodiesel...  Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too.
>
> On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 
>> 390

>> gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of
>> methanol)
>>
>> for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
>> excess) ~550$
>> for 390 gal.
>> oil.
>> .Haul-off
>> for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
>> estimate)~140$
>> for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
>> source)..~25$
>>
>> Total
>> C.O.P...
>> .~715$
>>
>> Results (Approximate)
>> ~340 Gallons of ester
>> ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
>> ~43 gallons glycerine
>>
>> Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
>> 2.60$/Gal...~884$
>> Your
>> Savings.
>> ...~169$
>>
>> not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any
>> of
>> the
>> available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating
>> costs
>> will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
>> reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to
>> the
>> equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
>>  Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive
>> than
>> Petro?
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-12 Thread John Short
I would like to know the company that is selling for that price I just 
thought I had found a good deal @ $2.36 a gal. here in Dallas, Tx.  And to 
get that price it has to be by the drum.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rodgers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA


>I want some. Even at twice that price
> Brian Rodgers
>
>
> On 10/12/05, logan vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted
>> $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to 
>> buy
>> in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in
>> Thibideaux, Louisiana.
>>
>> Logan Vilas
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
>>
>>
>> > You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the
>> > biodiesel...  Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too.
>> >
>> > On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390
>> >> gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of 
>> >> methanol)
>> >>
>> >> for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
>> >> excess) ~550$
>> >> for 390 gal.
>> >> oil.
>> >> .Haul-off
>> >> for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
>> >> estimate)~140$
>> >> for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
>> >> source)..~25$
>> >>
>> >> Total
>> >> C.O.P...
>> >> .~715$
>> >>
>> >> Results (Approximate)
>> >> ~340 Gallons of ester
>> >> ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
>> >> ~43 gallons glycerine
>> >>
>> >> Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
>> >> 2.60$/Gal...~884$
>> >> Your
>> >> Savings.
>> >> ...~169$
>> >>
>> >> not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any 
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating
>> >> costs
>> >> will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
>> >> reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to 
>> >> the
>> >> equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
>> >>  Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive 
>> >> than
>> >> Petro?
>> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-12 Thread Jason and Katie
Zeke,
I guess I should have been more specific.
I was making the estimate assuming the brewer would be using the fuel
themselves. it is a savings estimate, not a "profit" estimate.

sorry for the confusion,

jason

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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-12 Thread Brian Rodgers
I want some. Even at twice that price
Brian Rodgers


On 10/12/05, logan vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted
> $1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy
> in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in
> Thibideaux, Louisiana.
>
> Logan Vilas
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
>
>
> > You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the
> > biodiesel...  Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too.
> >
> > On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390
> >> gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol)
> >>
> >> for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
> >> excess) ~550$
> >> for 390 gal.
> >> oil.
> >> .Haul-off
> >> for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
> >> estimate)~140$
> >> for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
> >> source)..~25$
> >>
> >> Total
> >> C.O.P...
> >> .~715$
> >>
> >> Results (Approximate)
> >> ~340 Gallons of ester
> >> ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
> >> ~43 gallons glycerine
> >>
> >> Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
> >> 2.60$/Gal...~884$
> >> Your
> >> Savings.
> >> ...~169$
> >>
> >> not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of
> >> the
> >> available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating
> >> costs
> >> will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
> >> reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the
> >> equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
> >>  Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than
> >> Petro?
> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-12 Thread logan vilas
I don't know if it's just a really good source or what, but I was Quoted 
$1.10 per gallon for methanol. If I bring my own container. If I have to buy 
in 55 gallon drums then it is 1.57 per gallon. That was quoted 9/14/05 in 
Thibideaux, Louisiana.

Logan Vilas

- Original Message - 
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA


> You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the
> biodiesel...  Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too.
>
> On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390
>> gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol)
>>
>> for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
>> excess) ~550$
>> for 390 gal.
>> oil.
>> .Haul-off
>> for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
>> estimate)~140$
>> for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
>> source)..~25$
>>
>> Total
>> C.O.P...
>> .~715$
>>
>> Results (Approximate)
>> ~340 Gallons of ester
>> ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
>> ~43 gallons glycerine
>>
>> Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
>> 2.60$/Gal...~884$
>> Your
>> Savings.
>> ...~169$
>>
>> not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of 
>> the
>> available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating 
>> costs
>> will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
>> reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the
>> equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
>>  Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than
>> Petro?
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
You forgot to add the road tax and a markup for profit to the
biodiesel...  Anyone who is selling biodiesel has those costs too.

On 10/9/05, Jason and Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390
> gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol)
>
> for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
> excess) ~550$
> for 390 gal.
> oil.
> .Haul-off
> for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
> estimate)~140$
> for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
> source)..~25$
>
> Total
> C.O.P...
> .~715$
>
> Results (Approximate)
> ~340 Gallons of ester
> ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
> ~43 gallons glycerine
>
> Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
> 2.60$/Gal...~884$
> Your
> Savings.
> ...~169$
>
> not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the
> available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs
> will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
> reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the
> equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
>  Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than
> Petro?
>
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[Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-09 Thread Jason and Katie
I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390
gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol)

for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have
excess) ~550$
for 390 gal.
oil.
.Haul-off
for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough
estimate)~140$
for one cannister of bottle gas (heat
source)..~25$

Total
C.O.P...
.~715$

Results (Approximate)
~340 Gallons of ester
~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol
~43 gallons glycerine

Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @
2.60$/Gal...~884$
Your
Savings.
...~169$

not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the
available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs
will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you
reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the
equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options.
 Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than
Petro?

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