Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-17 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 23:50 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) Hi Hakan There isn't any humus in linseed oil. Triglycerides and some

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2002-12-17 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put humus particles in concrete before it is cured, I know that it can be a disaster

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan There isn't any humus in linseed oil. Triglycerides and some other stuff, but no humus. Once it's dried (or cured - is there a difference Greg?) it's pretty inert. I believe there is a difference Keith, but, some of both happens. For the drying part, they lose the volatiles

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodiedenergy)

2002-12-17 Thread James Slayden
It's suggested to linseed with up to 10 coats then seal with beeswax for the final coat. This can also be applied to adobe walls too. There are some great references across the web and in books that deal with natural building. Just go a searching James Slayden On Mon, 16 Dec 2002,

Re: Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re:[biofuel]Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)

2002-12-16 Thread rgord
I put together a similar type of unit for a buddy's RV, Webasto engine heater around 44000btu and a rad/fan from a Hyundai - never tried BD or SVO but toasty 25deg C in the dead of winter (-20)on D2. Has anyone done any mods to one of these units for SVO? Lots of exp with diesel heater (I'm a

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Greg and April
: Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 15:19 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) prevents the breakdown of reinforcing steel. So an interesting idea would be to coat your rebar with oil before pouring

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread robert luis rabello
Grahams wrote: I used such a machine for my house in town. It was very nice, but I will explain the concepts of this house a bit better. First realize it is located on a farm-(perhaps more correctly an eventual homestead) in VA. Here we have copious amounts of red clay- being

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) prevents the breakdown of reinforcing steel. So an interesting idea would be to coat your rebar with oil before pouring your concrete. Then also coat the cured concrete on top to reduce water infiltration

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Greg and April
: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:04 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put humus particles in concrete before it is cured, I know that it can be a disaster. Hakan Biofuel

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Hakan Falk
. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:04 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Keith Addison
roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put humus particles in concrete before it is cured, I know that it can be a disaster. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert snip The biofuels list includes a very diverse group of people with wide ranging expertise. I'm pleased that Keith allows us to discuss topics only tangentially related to the list theme--thanks! It's a real education being here! Isn't it just? Tangentially related, yes,

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-16 Thread Hakan Falk
: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put humus particles in concrete before it is cured, I know that it can be a disaster. Hakan Biofuel at Journey

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
At 10:34 PM 12/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: Grahams wrote: While I am pleased thus far with the performance of my radiant floors, I am not sure I would get it again, especially in concrete. I would prefer to have more access to the pipe . We discussed this issue in depth during the

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Doug Foskey
I have 30 years experience from those special pipes, stands for 98 degree Celsius or more. It can be white / yellow also. If you do this, do not ever connect it to any septic system, since the necessary water locks dries out fast in heated floor. Smells bad and it is hard to believe that

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, I am happy to hear that it works well. Many of this kind of building techniques are proven during many hundreds of years. If you have respect for physical laws and understand how they work, they are all low energy houses. They are also more comfortable than many of constructions invented

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 01:34 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: I let my wife read this because I couldn't understand why anyone would get a floor so wet that it would even have an opportunity to drain, and she couldn't understand this either! I clean all the floors at home using a small vacuum cleaner to get rid of dust,

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 01:01 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: Graham, Did you already built your new house? Leaking floor in concrete, I hope that you did not install copper pipes in it. It was a long time, around 30 years, since I heard anyone do this. The unfortunate old man did have copper I think, installed about 12

Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread craig reece
Caroline, We're planning on heating our house with hydronic (hot water) radiators - plumbed with copper under the (wood) subfloor. Obviously not an option for you - you've already got a hydronically-heated slab. I'm hoping to heat the water with biodiesel or WVO. There are several companies that

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 09:20 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) We have dark grey colored concrete and applied various finishes after

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) We have dark grey colored concrete and applied various finishes after it was dry-(once again I apparently really did a bad job on my concrete research, trusting the installer- grrr), but have found none that have worked well

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Doug Foskey
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20, you wrote: At 01:34 AM 12/15/2002, you wrote: I let my wife read this because I couldn't understand why anyone would get a floor so wet that it would even have an opportunity to drain, and she couldn't understand this either! I clean all the floors at home using a

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Caroline, Then it was not the copper pipes, so it must have been joints, or he refilled the floor frequently. Copper pipes in tap water with 0.6 mm thickness have average life span of 15 years, 1 mm thickness 40 years. In a heating system with circulating water the 0.6 mm also have average

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Grahams
At 02:22 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: Linseed oil as concrete sealer: http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxind7.htmhttp://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxind7.htm prevents the breakdown of reinforcing steel. So an interesting idea would be to coat your rebar with oil before pouring your concrete. Then also

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
: - Original Message - From: Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 09:20 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy) We have dark grey colored concrete and applied various finishes

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
I have my doubts that it can be used in that way. Maybe on ready surfaces, but during the building process? Hakan At 05:19 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 02:22 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: Linseed oil as concrete sealer:

[biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-14 Thread Grahams
Here is a link for the exact roofing material I used. I chose an aluminum colored roof for the (hopefully) enhanced reflective abilities (and the paint would never peel. :) After placing my order (to be trucked in from another state) a local metal roofing supplier started producing an almost

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodied energy)

2002-12-14 Thread Hakan Falk
Graham, Did you already built your new house? Leaking floor in concrete, I hope that you did not install copper pipes in it. It was a long time, around 30 years, since I heard anyone do this. If the special plastic pipes for heated floors is against your goals, then you take a substantial

Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Was embodiedenergy)

2002-12-14 Thread robert luis rabello
Grahams wrote: While I am pleased thus far with the performance of my radiant floors, I am not sure I would get it again, especially in concrete. I would prefer to have more access to the pipe . We discussed this issue in depth during the construction of our house. The compromise we