Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[balaji]

Hello Peter,

- Original Message -
From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


> Hi Mel ;
>
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
> anyway.
>
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
> he gave us a new covenant.

> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
> as a society have wandered.

> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.
>
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
>
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.

> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> here to some extent) when children will put their
> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
> in reality a cruel death spiral.

Strange that you should talk about a war for souls from the Christian
perspective. All proselytising organised religions, be it, Zionism,
Christianity, Islam or our own home grown Buddism, are mandated to capture
the maximum number of hapless souls to the service of the chosen diety,
promising a better life in the here and the hereafter. While they differ as
to the amenities provided for the enjoyment of the converts in the next
world, all these religions are united in adding the maximum number to their
world view in this world. Many of the indigenous and more ancient relogions
have had their original cultures destroyed, their identites assimilated
beyond recognition and vast numbers of their priestly classes put to the
sword or the gun during the early stages of conversion. In the meanwhile,
proselytising procedds apace.
When the Pope visited Asia recently, he stated that the First Millenium was
devoted to
converting Europe, the second Millenium was for the Americas and Africa. He
reserved the Third Millenium for Asia.

Withal there are independent souls in every religion that explore other
religions in their quest for personal salvation and there is a vast number
of cosmic conscious beings, who embrace a larger and more inclusive world
view. We can assimilate the good in every religion without the tags, once
you realise that they are but mental constructs devised by Man to ultimately
explain human destiny.

> All the apparent madness in the world can be
> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
> the madness i

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[balaji]

Hello Peter,

- Original Message -
From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


> Hi Mel ;
>
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
> anyway.
>
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
> he gave us a new covenant.

> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
> as a society have wandered.

> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.
>
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
>
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.

> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> here to some extent) when children will put their
> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
> in reality a cruel death spiral.

Strange that you should talk about a war for souls from the Christian
perspective. All proselytising organised religions, be it, Zionism,
Christianity, Islam or our own home grown Buddism, are mandated to capture
the maximum number of hapless souls to the service of the chosen diety,
promising a better life in the here and the hereafter. While they differ as
to the amenities provided for the enjoyment of the converts in the next
world, all these religions are united in adding the maximum number to their
world view in this world. Many of the indigenous and more ancient relogions
have had their original cultures destroyed, their identites assimilated
beyond recognition and vast numbers of their priestly classes put to the
sword or the gun during the early stages of conversion. In the meanwhile,
proselytising procedds apace.
When the Pope visited Asia recently, he stated that the First Millenium was
devoted to
converting Europe, the second Millenium was for the Americas and Africa. He
reserved the Third Millenium for Asia.

Withal there are independent souls in every religion that explore other
religions in their quest for personal salvation and there is a vast number
of cosmic conscious beings, who embrace a larger and more inclusive world
view. We can assimilate the good in every religion without the tags, once
you realise that they are but mental constructs devised by Man to ultimately
explain human destiny.

> All the apparent madness in the world can be
> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
> the madness i

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[balaji]

Hello Peter,

- Original Message -
From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


> Hi Mel ;
>
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
> anyway.
>
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
> he gave us a new covenant.

> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
> as a society have wandered.

> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.
>
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
>
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.

> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> here to some extent) when children will put their
> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
> in reality a cruel death spiral.

Strange that you should talk about a war for souls from the Christian
perspective. All proselytising organised religions, be it, Zionism,
Christianity, Islam or our own home grown Buddism, are mandated to capture
the maximum number of hapless souls to the service of the chosen diety,
promising a better life in the here and the hereafter. While they differ as
to the amenities provided for the enjoyment of the converts in the next
world, all these religions are united in adding the maximum number to their
world view in this world. Many of the indigenous and more ancient relogions
have had their original cultures destroyed, their identites assimilated
beyond recognition and vast numbers of their priestly classes put to the
sword or the gun during the early stages of conversion. In the meanwhile,
proselytising procedds apace.
When the Pope visited Asia recently, he stated that the First Millenium was
devoted to
converting Europe, the second Millenium was for the Americas and Africa. He
reserved the Third Millenium for Asia.

Withal there are independent souls in every religion that explore other
religions in their quest for personal salvation and there is a vast number
of cosmic conscious beings, who embrace a larger and more inclusive world
view. We can assimilate the good in every religion without the tags, once
you realise that they are but mental constructs devised by Man to ultimately
explain human destiny.

> All the apparent madness in the world can be
> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
> the madness i

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Michael Redler]

For those of you who figured out that whole hierarchy thing and wondered if 
maybe it's a little off the mark, don't worry about being held accountable by 
God.  I hear She's pretty forgiving.  :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey Peter,
> i am strukt a bit by you logic
>
> there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.
>
> So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
> I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i
> think
> we would have more Peace on Earth...

Two words for you on that one. Margaret Thatcher. (Could also have
probably picked Golda Meier (sp?))

Brian


> And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we
> let
> them call the shots for a while???
> Fritz
> - Original Message -
> From: "Guag Meister" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
>
>
>> Hi Mel ;
>>
>> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
>> stolen/conquered). It doesn't sound like you are
>> expecting a logical answer. I'll try to give you one
>> anyway.
>>
>> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
>> testament.. There were very legitimate reasons for
>> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath, and so
>> forth. I could explain them to you but it would be a
>> very long post. Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
>> he gave us a new covenant.
>>
>> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
>> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
>> God. Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
>> boasting, promiscuity, etc. This shows me how far we
>> as a society have wandered.
>>
>> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
>> > of the universe supposed to do with such
>> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>>
>> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
>> thinks it is "enlightened". Only time proves how
>> wrong they all were.
>>
>> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
>> tactics of the US forces. One thing they did was to
>> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders. If
>> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
>> it is to get the solders to disobey orders. When the
>> chain of command is broken and solders start making
>> their own orders, the army will disintegrate. That's
>> why we have court marshals. This does not mean that
>> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
>> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem. The
>> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
>> orders.
>>
>> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
>> today is the source of the "enlightenment". The page
>> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can. As
>> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
>> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan. In our current
>> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
>> upside down. It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
>> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
>>
>> Once you understand this you can understand all the
>> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
>> from. There is a war on for your soul and there is no
>> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
>> command upside down. This is what is happening due to
>> our "enlightenment". The days are coming (already
>> here to some extent) when children will put their
>> parents in jail on a whim. Children and criminals
>> will be in charge. No surer way to loose their souls
>> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
>> There is a method to the madness. "Enlightenment" is
>> in reality a cruel death spiral.
>>
>> All the apparent madness in the world can be
>> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
>> souls have been lost today?". When you look at it
>> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
>> the madness in the world and where it is coming from.
>>
>> There is another small problem with "embracing all
>> religions". I agree it sounds very resonable,
>> peaceful, and "cosmic conscious". But as a Christian
>> I believe that a time is coming where this won&#

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Hakan Falk]

Brian,

Yes you are right, notj of them was far superior as leaders than Bush, even 
as commanders in military situations.


Hakan


At 01:36 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:

> Hey Peter,
> i am strukt a bit by you logic
>
>  there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.
>
> So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
> I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i
> think
> we would have more Peace on Earth...

Two words for you on that one.  Margaret Thatcher.  (Could also have
probably picked Golda Meier (sp?))

Brian


> And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we
> let
> them call the shots for a while???
> Fritz
> - Original Message -
> From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
>
>
>> Hi Mel ;
>>
>> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
>> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
>> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
>> anyway.
>>
>> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
>> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
>> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
>> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
>> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
>> he gave us a new covenant.
>>
>> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
>> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
>> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
>> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
>> as a society have wandered.
>>
>> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
>> > of the universe supposed to do with such
>> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>>
>> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
>> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
>> wrong they all were.
>>
>> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
>> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
>> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
>> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
>> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
>> chain of command is broken and solders start making
>> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
>> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
>> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
>> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
>> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
>> orders.
>>
>> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
>> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
>> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
>> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
>> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
>> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
>> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
>> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
>>
>> Once you understand this you can understand all the
>> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
>> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
>> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
>> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
>> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
>> here to some extent) when children will put their
>> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
>> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
>> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
>> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
>> in reality a cruel death spiral.
>>
>> All the apparent madness in the world can be
>> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
>> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
>> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
>> the madness in the world and where it is coming from.
>>
>> There is another small problem with "embracing all
>> religions".  I agree it sounds very resonable,
>> peaceful, and "cosmic conscious".  But as a Christian
>> I believe that a time is coming wh

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[btmd]

> Hey Peter,
> i am strukt a bit by you logic
>
>  there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.
>
> So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
> I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i
> think
> we would have more Peace on Earth...

Two words for you on that one.  Margaret Thatcher.  (Could also have
probably picked Golda Meier (sp?))

Brian


> And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we
> let
> them call the shots for a while???
> Fritz
> - Original Message -
> From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.
>
>
>> Hi Mel ;
>>
>> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
>> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
>> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
>> anyway.
>>
>> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
>> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
>> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
>> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
>> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
>> he gave us a new covenant.
>>
>> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
>> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
>> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
>> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
>> as a society have wandered.
>>
>> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
>> > of the universe supposed to do with such
>> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>>
>> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
>> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
>> wrong they all were.
>>
>> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
>> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
>> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
>> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
>> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
>> chain of command is broken and solders start making
>> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
>> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
>> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
>> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
>> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
>> orders.
>>
>> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
>> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
>> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
>> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
>> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
>> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
>> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
>> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
>> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
>> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
>>
>> Once you understand this you can understand all the
>> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
>> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
>> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
>> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
>> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
>> here to some extent) when children will put their
>> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
>> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
>> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
>> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
>> in reality a cruel death spiral.
>>
>> All the apparent madness in the world can be
>> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
>> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
>> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
>> the madness in the world and where it is coming from.
>>
>> There is another small problem with "embracing all
>> religions".  I agree it sounds very resonable,
>> peaceful, and "cosmic conscious".  But as a Christian
>> I believe that a time is coming where this won't be an
>> option.  In other words, a time is coming when you
>> will need to make a life or death choice between God
>> and Satan. 

RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Guag Meister]

Hi Mel and All ;

You know, that is a BIG collection.  I did read PAPER
187 - THE CRUCIFIXION.  I think the most insightful
desciption of the magnitude of the accomplishment  I
have ever read.   Please give me some more time.

BTW, love your post on the world is getting crazier.

Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand

--- Mel Riser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very logical and indeed the Old Testament is
> ahemm... Outdated. Including the US carte blanche
> support of Israel and the Jesus Jihadist,
> evangelical support  of Israel... so Jesus can come
> back crowd.
> 
> The Urantia book takes a long hard look at ALL
> religions and recognizes the truths in them all.
> Much as the Bahai's do.
> 
> In the long run a religion is only as good as what
> it does to change the believer into better human,
> and all the.. my way or no way is the wrong way.
> 
> We all have to get to God in the way that best suits
> us.
> 
> http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html
> 
> Check out part 4
> 
> And the last fourth of the book is indeed about the
> life of Jesus in a way you will much surprised and
> PLEASED.
> 
> Especially PLEASE read the very last chapter about
> the religion Paul founded ABOUT Jesus, and not the
> religion OF JESUS.
> 
> This board is about BioDiesel and I believe we have
> probably stepped over the line as far as the
> moderator is concerned.
> 
> So if you want to talk more of this, please email
> offline.
> 
> Btw my wife is from Kuala Lumpur Malaysia and I have
> been to Thailand a few times.
> 
> I remember how out of place I felt and how much of a
> giant Americans are while spending time in Chiang
> Mai... Where it seems no one is over 5 feet tall.
> 
> And me being 6 feet and 200 lbs I stood out like a
> sequoia
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> And if you BY CHANCE want an electronic copy, you
> can download it from my server.
> 
> http://www.webcrayon.com/urantia/urantiabook.zip
> 
> mel
> -----Original Message-
> From: Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning -
> more Christian content.
> 
> 
> Hi Mel ;
> 
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you
> one
> anyway.
> 
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the
> old testament..  There were very legitimate reasons
> for sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and
> so forth.  I could explain them to you but it would
> be a very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the
> earth he gave us a new covenant.
> 
> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before
> God. 
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination
> before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far
> we
> as a society have wandered.  
> 
> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
> 
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.  
> 
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing
> army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When
> the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate. 
> That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is
> making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
> 
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The 
> page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can. 
> As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal >
> Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
> 
> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is
> no
> surer way to loose the

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Guag Meister]

Hi Fritz and All ;

> Hey Peter,
> i am strukt a bit by you logic

Not my logic, God's logic.

> So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
> I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman
> would be before Man i think
> we would have more Peace on Earth...

You might be right, but I will say that you have never
met my ex-wife!  Thailand is 12 time zones away from
eastern US.  This is as far away from her as I can get
and still stay on planet earth!

> And about Children,there is nobody more honest than
> Children why dont we let
> them call the shots for a while???

I don't think they would visit the doctor to get
vacinated by choice or go to the dentist, or eat their
vegetables or go to school for that matter either.  I
don't have a hard time imagining total chaos if
children are in charge.  Ever see "Lord of the Flies"?
 Notwithstanding your statement that most children are
very honest,  I think that society would completely
unravel.  But never mind, I believe you will have a
chance to see the effects of your proposal.

Cheers!

Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning -
> more Christian content.
> 
> 
> > Hi Mel ;
> >
> > Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> > stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> > expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you
> one
> > anyway.
> >
> > Most of the strange rules you listed were from the
> old
> > testament..  There were very legitimate reasons
> for
> > sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> > forth.  I could explain them to you but it would
> be a
> > very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the
> earth
> > he gave us a new covenant.
> >
> > Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before
> God.
> > Much of what we think is good is an abomination
> before
> > God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> > boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far
> we
> > as a society have wandered.
> >
> > > But what are learned and cosmic conscious
> citizens
> > > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > > backwardness and dogmatism?
> >
> > Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> > thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> > wrong they all were.
> >
> > In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch
> the
> > tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was
> to
> > try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders. 
> If
> > there is one way to create havoc in the opposing
> army
> > it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When
> the
> > chain of command is broken and solders start
> making
> > their own orders, the army will disintegrate. 
> That's
> > why we have court marshals.  This does not mean
> that
> > all generals are brilliant, but if a general is
> making
> > poor choices, then we need to fix that problem. 
> The
> > solution would never be to let the soldiers make
> the
> > orders.
> >
> > What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> > today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The 
> page
> > at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can. 
> As
> > in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> > perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> > eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man
> >
> > Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> > "enlightenment" the chain of command is being
> turned
> > upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal >
> Child
> > > Woman > Man > Jesus.
> >
> > Once you understand this you can understand all
> the
> > apparent madness in the world and where it is
> coming
> > from.  There is a war on for your soul and there
> is no
> > surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain
> of
> > command upside down.  This is what is happening
> due to
> > our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> > here to some extent) when children will put their
> > parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> > will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their
> souls
> > (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> > There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment"
> is
> > in reality a cruel death spiral.
> >
> > All t

RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Mel Riser]

Very logical and indeed the Old Testament is ahemm... Outdated. Including the 
US carte blanche support of Israel and the Jesus Jihadist, evangelical support  
of Israel... so Jesus can come back crowd.

The Urantia book takes a long hard look at ALL religions and recognizes the 
truths in them all. Much as the Bahai's do.

In the long run a religion is only as good as what it does to change the 
believer into better human, and all the.. my way or no way is the wrong way.

We all have to get to God in the way that best suits us.

http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html

Check out part 4

And the last fourth of the book is indeed about the life of Jesus in a way you 
will much surprised and PLEASED.

Especially PLEASE read the very last chapter about the religion Paul founded 
ABOUT Jesus, and not the religion OF JESUS.

This board is about BioDiesel and I believe we have probably stepped over the 
line as far as the moderator is concerned.

So if you want to talk more of this, please email offline.

Btw my wife is from Kuala Lumpur Malaysia and I have been to Thailand a few 
times.

I remember how out of place I felt and how much of a giant Americans are while 
spending time in Chiang Mai... Where it seems no one is over 5 feet tall.

And me being 6 feet and 200 lbs I stood out like a sequoia

:)


And if you BY CHANCE want an electronic copy, you can download it from my 
server.

http://www.webcrayon.com/urantia/urantiabook.zip

mel
-Original Message-
From: Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


Hi Mel ;

Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
anyway.

Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old testament..  There were 
very legitimate reasons for sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so 
forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a very long post.  Anyway, 
when Christ walked the earth he gave us a new covenant.

Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God. 
Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
as a society have wandered.  

> But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> of the universe supposed to do with such
> backwardness and dogmatism?

Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
wrong they all were.  

In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
chain of command is broken and solders start making
their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
orders.

What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
in any army, and speaking from a Christian
perspective, there is a clear chain of command
eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current "enlightenment" the chain of 
command is being turned upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> Woman > Man > Jesus.

Once you understand this you can understand all the
apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
here to some extent) when children will put their
parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
(and everyone else's) than to put them in charge. 
There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
in reality a cruel death spiral.

All the apparent madness in the world can be
understood by asking a simple question : "How many
souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
the madness in the world and where it is coming from.

There is another small problem with "embracing all
religions".  I agree it sounds very resonable,
peaceful, and "cosmic conscious".  But as a Christian
I believe that a time is coming where this won't be an
option.  In other words, a time is coming when 

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hey Peter,
i am strukt a bit by you logic

 there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.

So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i think
we would have more Peace on Earth...
And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we let
them call the shots for a while???
Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


> Hi Mel ;
>
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
> anyway.
>
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
> he gave us a new covenant.
>
> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
> as a society have wandered.
>
> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.
>
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
>
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
>
> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> here to some extent) when children will put their
> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
> in reality a cruel death spiral.
>
> All the apparent madness in the world can be
> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
> the madness in the world and where it is coming from.
>
> There is another small problem with "embracing all
> religions".  I agree it sounds very resonable,
> peaceful, and "cosmic conscious".  But as a Christian
> I believe that a time is coming where this won't be an
> option.  In other words, a time is coming when you
> will need to make a life or death choice between God
> and Satan.  This will be the most difficult decision
> you will ever make.  No-one could make that decision
> without preparation and many years of meditation.  A
> person "embracing all religions" won't be prepared to
> enter the test.  Let's hope I'm wrong about all this.
>
> List participants of different faiths may not
> understand or agree with my statements (very sorry
> about that).  Some Christian list participant will be
> able to listen and understand.
>
> Peace!

RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Guag Meister]

her
> stole some folks land, murdered a bunch of the "land
> owners" would it still be stolen land? And murder?
> Even if they didn’t have "titles" to the land. They
> of course say yes.
> 
> Then I remind them that is exactly what we did here
> in this country to the natives and what the imperial
> powers did in EVERY country they "civilized"
> 
> And they say
> 
> "well that's different" and I ask how
> 
> And they stammer and stutter and can’t really
> answer.
> 
> And the same today. If a Govt came into a country,
> helped with a coup de etat and installed their own
> puppet ruler and then proceeded to allow THEIR
> corporations to pillage and loot the country for
> their own counties benefit? Is it SILL A STOLEN CAR?
> 
> Mel
> 
> Who wishes he did not have to participate in the
> criminal enterprises of "his country" but he IS
> LOOKING for ALTERNATIVE
> 
> :(
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God
> 
> 
> Hello Mel,
> 
> Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the
> sunset and how appreciation, joy, and good will are
> the most important things to bring into our lives to
> amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message.
> Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or
> will that amply the same?
> 
> Peggy
> 
> Subject: He talks to God
> 
> I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much
> he might help me in my study of the Bible.
> 
> Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?
> 
> mel
> 
> Dear President Bush,
> 
> Thank you for doing so much to educate people
> regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal
> from you and understand why you would propose and
> support a constitutional amendment banning same sex
> marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage
> is based between a man a woman." I try to share that
> knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone
> tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for
> example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22
> clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of
> debate.
> 
> I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
> some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow
> them.
> 
> 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess
> slaves, both male and female, provided they are
> purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
> claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
> Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own
> Canadians?
> 
> 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as
> sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age,
> what do you think would be a fair price for her?
> 
> 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman
> while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness
> - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I
> have tried asking, but most women take offense.
> 
> 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I
> know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.
> 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the
> odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
> 
> 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
> Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be
> put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
> myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
> 
> 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating
> shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a
> lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't
> agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of
> abomination?
> 
> 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the
> altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have
> to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision
> have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
> 
> 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed,
> including the hair around their temples, even though
> this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
> should they die?
> 
> 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin
> of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play
> football if I wear gloves?
> 
> 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by
> planting two different crops in the same field, as
> does his wife by wearing garments made of two
> different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
> He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it
> really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
> getting the whole town together to stone them?
> Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death
> at a pri

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Hakan Falk]

John,

I do not think that I misunderstood you, maybe that is why I made a typo 
and wrote NINE (9) instead of NINETY (90), which is the real number. I 
think that you made a good remark, with black humor and that it does not 
reflect anything else than the same feelings that I have.


I was tired and did not get my math right, maybe the reality seemed so 
unreal for me. It is many times that I react on the illusion that one 
American life would be worth more than one Iraqi life. Following the news, 
it is sometimes like this would not be the case and this is a part of our 
daily doses of propaganda. Your black humor was appreciated and made me 
think about this, I just had to point out the enormous realities and 
thought that what you said was worth elaborating on.


Hakan .


At 02:15 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote:

Hakan,

I hope that the facetious tone had come through in my incredulous remarks 
and that you don't think I was serious. I understand it is dark humor but 
I was more intending to poke fun at the idiots who put faith in this man 
than in the actual situation in Iraq. I love my country which is why I 
fought the good fight to prevent four more years of this man. He is the 
worst thing for America in my lifetime.


John

Hakan Falk wrote:

John,
Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. 
It is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE Iraqi's 
who is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones who die 
from related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy Iraq is now 
and since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger.
I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some 
fallen comrades.  Could not avoid to think about the family's and friends 
to the innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of the 
occupation. In this is not included all the victims who not die, but will 
be decapitated for the rest of their life. All of it is much more 
personal and difficult, than we can imagine, when looking at it from a 
safe distance and captured by Television, which never can give us the 
real notion of what actually is happening. The sorrows must be 
overwhelming for the directly involved parties on both sides.
It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the responsibility 
for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and Iraqi, and that 
must be very difficult. I guess that God already mentioned it and gave 
his forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions.

Hakan

At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote:

no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler 
freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from 
communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our 
installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget 
how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?).


John

Legal Eagle wrote:

Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know 
that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 
7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have 
missed that class.
He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the 
earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward 
another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death 
huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended.

Luc
- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in 
my study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?
mel
Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I 
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose 
and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As 
you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." 
I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When 
someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply 
remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an 
abomination. . . End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements 
of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and 
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend 
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can 
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in 
Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair 
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do 
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women tak

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[John Guttridge]

I hope that the facetious tone had come through in my incredulous 
remarks and that you don't think I was serious. I understand it is dark 
humor but I was more intending to poke fun at the idiots who put faith 
in this man than in the actual situation in Iraq. I love my country 
which is why I fought the good fight to prevent four more years of this 
man. He is the worst thing for America in my lifetime.


John

Hakan Falk wrote:


John,

Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. 
It is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE 
Iraqi's who is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones 
who die from related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy 
Iraq is now and since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger.


I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some 
fallen comrades.  Could not avoid to think about the family's and 
friends to the innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of 
the occupation. In this is not included all the victims who not die, but 
will be decapitated for the rest of their life. All of it is much more 
personal and difficult, than we can imagine, when looking at it from a 
safe distance and captured by Television, which never can give us the 
real notion of what actually is happening. The sorrows must be 
overwhelming for the directly involved parties on both sides.


It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the 
responsibility for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and 
Iraqi, and that must be very difficult. I guess that God already 
mentioned it and gave his forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions.


Hakan


At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote:

no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler 
freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from 
communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our 
installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget 
how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard 
work?).


John

Legal Eagle wrote:

Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would 
know that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" 
Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems 
to have missed that class.
He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the 
earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one 
toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to 
death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended.

Luc
- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me 
in my study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?
mel
Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I 
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would 
propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex 
marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a 
man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I 
can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for 
example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it 
to be an abomination. . . End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other 
elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and 
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A 
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not 
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in 
Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair 
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in 
her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is 
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates 
a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my 
neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I 
smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 
35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally 
obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than 
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees 
of abomination?
7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I 
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading 
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there som

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[btmd]

Bryn,

Welcome to the list.  I am soon to be moving to Northern CA, and San
Rafael is one of the spots in top contention.  Is this the San Rafael
you're speaking of?

Brian

>
>>
>> I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it
>> embraces
>> all religions.
>>
>
> Mel,
>
> I just joined the bio-fuel list tonight, and wasn't expecting such a
> wonderful introduction!
>
> I'm glad you like the Bah‡'’ Faith... It has been my way of life since my
> Mum became a Bah‡'’ in 1962 when I was 8 years of age. Since then, in all
> the turmoil that has occurred in the World, the Bah‡'’ Faith has continued
> to expand, grow, and influence leaders of thought in all spheres. I spent
> 19
> years at the World Centre in Haifa, before accompanying my wife to San
> Rafael to look after her mother in 2002.
>
> We just bought a 1977 Mercedes 300 Diesel yesterday with the hope of
> running
> it on Biofuel - which is why I joined this list - and was delighted to
> read
> both your version of the wonderful old joke, and your appreciation for a
> Faith that has been the centre of my life for 42 years!
>
> My brother is producing bio-fuel in Vanuatu. See:
>
> http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238
>
> warm regards,
> Bryn Deamer
> http://deamer.org/bryn
>
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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Hakan Falk]

John,

Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. It 
is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE Iraqi's who 
is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones who die from 
related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy Iraq is now and 
since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger.


I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some fallen 
comrades.  Could not avoid to think about the family's and friends to the 
innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of the occupation. In 
this is not included all the victims who not die, but will be decapitated 
for the rest of their life. All of it is much more personal and difficult, 
than we can imagine, when looking at it from a safe distance and captured 
by Television, which never can give us the real notion of what actually is 
happening. The sorrows must be overwhelming for the directly involved 
parties on both sides.


It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the responsibility 
for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and Iraqi, and that must 
be very difficult. I guess that God already mentioned it and gave his 
forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions.


Hakan


At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote:
no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler freed 
Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from communism when 
we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our installation of 
the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget how hard the work is 
(it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?).


John

Legal Eagle wrote:
Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know 
that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 
and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed 
that class.
He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark 
of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, 
John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm 
and black humour intended.

Luc
- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in 
my study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?
mel
Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and 
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said 
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to 
share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to 
defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that 
Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of 
God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and 
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of 
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you 
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 
21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I 
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. 
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill 
him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. 
I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?
7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have 
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does 
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair 
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two 
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by we

Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Bryn Deamer]

> 
> I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces
> all religions.
> 

Mel, 

I just joined the bio-fuel list tonight, and wasn't expecting such a
wonderful introduction!

I'm glad you like the Bah‡'’ Faith... It has been my way of life since my
Mum became a Bah‡'’ in 1962 when I was 8 years of age. Since then, in all
the turmoil that has occurred in the World, the Bah‡'’ Faith has continued
to expand, grow, and influence leaders of thought in all spheres. I spent 19
years at the World Centre in Haifa, before accompanying my wife to San
Rafael to look after her mother in 2002.

We just bought a 1977 Mercedes 300 Diesel yesterday with the hope of running
it on Biofuel - which is why I joined this list - and was delighted to read
both your version of the wonderful old joke, and your appreciation for a
Faith that has been the centre of my life for 42 years!

My brother is producing bio-fuel in Vanuatu. See:

http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238

warm regards,
Bryn Deamer
http://deamer.org/bryn

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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[John Guttridge]

freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from 
communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our 
installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget 
how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard 
work?).


John

Legal Eagle wrote:
Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know 
that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 
and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed 
that class.
He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark 
of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, 
John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all 
sarcasm and black humour intended.

Luc

- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God


I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in 
my study of the Bible.


Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I 
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose 
and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you 
said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try 
to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries 
to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them 
that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of 
debate.


I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements 
of God's Laws and how to follow them.


1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and 
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend 
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you 
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?


2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in 
Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair 
price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do 
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. 
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 
2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to 
kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than 
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of 
abomination?


7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have 
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does 
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair 
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 
19:27. How should they die?


9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes 
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two 
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments 
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also 
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to 
all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? 
Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family 
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14)


I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy 
considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line 
to God so I am confident you can help.


Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Mel


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[Legal Eagle]

Read the Talmud recently ?
And what makes you think that a "law" that only applied in a limited 
situation over 4,000 years ago has any real prevelance today?
At least it would be nice if you all knew what you were taking about, 
instead of assuming you did.Anyone, looking for it, can take anything out of 
context, but that seems to be lost huh?

Luc
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God



Hello Mel,

Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how
appreciation, joy, and good will are the most important things to bring
into our lives to amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message.
Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or will that amply the
same?

Peggy

Subject: He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in
my study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose
and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you
said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try
to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries
to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them
that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements
of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:
2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of
abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to
all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:
14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line
to God so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.

Mel

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RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Mel Riser]

Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight.

I too was outside looking at the colors and how the pink lit up the whole sky 
and the clouds.

The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God and it's different for 
everyone.

I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces 
all religions.

But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens of the universe supposed to 
do with such backwardness and dogmatism?

Maybe we just have to keep teaching. Not so sure at this point.

One of my favorite ways to counter some of the dogma and I'm right and they are 
wrong crowd is to ask them some simple questions.

1 If my grandfather stole a car in 1890 before they titled them and anyone knew 
what it was and hid it in the barn, and I take it out 110 years later, is it 
still a stolen car? Most folks nod and say why yes it is.

Then I ask them...If my great -great grandfather stole some folks land, 
murdered a bunch of the "land owners" would it still be stolen land? And 
murder? Even if they didn’t have "titles" to the land. They of course say yes.

Then I remind them that is exactly what we did here in this country to the 
natives and what the imperial powers did in EVERY country they "civilized"

And they say

"well that's different" and I ask how

And they stammer and stutter and can’t really answer.

And the same today. If a Govt came into a country, helped with a coup de etat 
and installed their own puppet ruler and then proceeded to allow THEIR 
corporations to pillage and loot the country for their own counties benefit? Is 
it SILL A STOLEN CAR?

Mel

Who wishes he did not have to participate in the criminal enterprises of "his 
country" but he IS LOOKING for ALTERNATIVE

:(

-Original Message-
From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God


Hello Mel,

Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how appreciation, 
joy, and good will are the most important things to bring into our lives to 
amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message. Golly gee, is it time for a 
good book burning or will that amply the same?

Peggy

Subject: He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my 
study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support 
a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes 
of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge 
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual 
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly 
states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's 
Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims 
that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I 
own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 
7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period 
of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have 
tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing 
odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the 
odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him 
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - 
Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can 
you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision 
have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around 
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How 
should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does 

RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Peggy]

Hello Mel,

Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how
appreciation, joy, and good will are the most important things to bring
into our lives to amplify the same.  Well, then I read your message.
Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or will that amply the
same?

Peggy

Subject: He talks to God

I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in
my study of the Bible.

Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose
and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you
said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try
to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries
to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them
that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements
of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:
2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of
abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to
all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:
14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line
to God so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging. 

Mel

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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Ken Provost]

on 11/7/04 1:50 PM, Mel Riser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my
> study of the Bible.



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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Legal Eagle]

"ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that 
all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class.
He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of 
one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 
13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and 
black humour intended.

Luc

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From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God


I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my 
study of the Bible.


Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and 
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said 
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share 
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend 
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 
18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.


I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of 
God's Laws and how to follow them.


1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine 
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? 
Why can't I own Canadians?


2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 
21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I 
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They 
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him 
myself, or should I ask the police to do it?


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I 
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?


7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my 
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around 
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How 
should they die?


9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two 
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse 
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of 
getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we 
just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people 
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14)


I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable 
expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am 
confident you can help.


Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Mel


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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God

[Hakan Falk]

Mel,

Thanks for the laugh.

Hakan


At 10:50 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote:
I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my 
study of the Bible.


Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back?

mel

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and 
support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said 
"in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to 
share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to 
defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that 
Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.


I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of 
God's Laws and how to follow them.


1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and 
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of 
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you 
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?


2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 
21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her 
period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I 
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a 
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They 
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. 
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill 
him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an 
abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. 
I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?


7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a 
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my 
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair 
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 
19:27. How should they die?


9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me 
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different 
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two 
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse 
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble 
of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't 
we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with 
people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14)


I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy 
considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to 
God so I am confident you can help.


Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Mel



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