Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Brief List Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Annotated Version Check this out: For Richer, by Paul Krugman (8,100-word NYT article, good read) http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ForRicher.html Best wishes Keith Great. Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of RoundUp but now I have to REBALANCE my stock portfolio. Nuts. Anyone know about socially responsible investing funds? -Mike Keith Addison wrote: rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Brief List Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Annotated Version http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/07_02_03_pressrelease.html Democrats, Republicans Awash In Funds From Corporate Criminals, Report Finds Check this out: Check this out: For Richer, by Paul Krugman (8,100-word NYT article, good read) http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ForRicher.html Best wishes Keith rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Genetically Modified Maize Not Found In Southern Mexico (August 12, 2005) Contrary to what many scientists thought, genetically modified (GM) corn has not yet spread to native maize crops in southern Mexico. After analyzing tens of thousands of seeds from maize crops grown in 2003 and 2004, researchers from Mexico and the United States found no evidence of transgenes in these indigenous varieties. full story Some hope! Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Ump... Twice? Sorry! :-/ Keith ... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
I can see the future now. A Kansas National Guard Helo following a small creek with soldiers peering down with binoculars. They are no longer looking for wacky tobacky, but the subversive gardener or farmer using heritage seeds. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: rich mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank? Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already exist. Perhaps the concerned non-gardener/producer can help the cause by purchasing and storing a portion of the surplus of seeds each year, every year? insuring a large viable stock in hand. Doug This page and the links there should tell you all you need to know about the seeds cris (crises), including heritage seeds, seed networks etc: http://journeytoforever.org/seeds.html Seeds of the world: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Great. Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of RoundUp but now I have to REBALANCE my stock portfolio. Nuts. Anyone know about socially responsible investing funds? -Mike Keith Addison wrote: rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Greetings, It is difficult to decide where to invest today and not feel that your money is supporting your enemies. If you invest in yourself first, you can be a good example of how to live gently on Mother Earth. Make sure you are living sustainably and eating healthy, local, naturally grown food. Learn to use the tools that allow you to process the food yourself. The banks and lending institutes no longer want the small loans, many won't talk to anyone wanting less than $20,000. For small sole proprietors, this can be a real hardship. Investing $5,000 or $10,000 in a well run, local, small business can be a real good investment that you can feel great about. This takes more work but I am finding it a worthwhile place to put my money to work. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:29 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: Great. Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of RoundUp but now I have to REBALANCE my stock portfolio. Nuts. Anyone know about socially responsible investing funds? -Mike Keith Addison wrote: rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism if you buy a copy of Mother Jones magazine, there a lot's of funds that buy according to environmental wishes. Lot's of ads in the latest issue. mel -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 8/11/2005 12:29 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Great.Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of RoundUp but now I have toREBALANCE my stock portfolio. Nuts.Anyone know about socially responsible investing funds?-MikeKeith Addison wrote: rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
I used to subscribe but it made me so upset I let it lapse. Mel Riser wrote: if you buy a copy of Mother Jones magazine, there a lot's of funds that buy according to environmental wishes. Lot's of ads in the latest issue. mel -Original Message- *From:* Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thu 8/11/2005 12:29 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Cc:* *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Great. Not only do I have get rid of a gallon of RoundUp but now I have to REBALANCE my stock portfolio. Nuts. Anyone know about socially responsible investing funds? -Mike Keith Addison wrote: rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. How about these? http://www.umass.edu/peri/resources/Toxics100table.htm Toxics 100 table Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
I googled seed savers and got 13,000 sites. This looks especially good: http://www.seedsavers.org/ Seed Savers Exchange is a nonprofit organization that saves and shares the heirloom seeds of our garden heritage, forming a living legacy that can be passed down through generations. When people grow and save seeds, they join an ancient tradition as stewards, nurturing our diverse, fragile, genetic and cultural heritage. Our organization is saving the worlds diverse, but endangered, garden heritage for future generations by building a network of people committed to collecting, conserving and sharing heirloom seeds and plants, while educating people about the value of genetic and cultural diversity. Few gardeners comprehend the true scope of their garden heritage or how much is in immediate danger of being lost forever. Mailing Address 3094 North Winn Road Decorah, IA 52101 Ph: 563-382-5990 Fax: 563-382-5872 From this location we manage all administrative operations, memberships, mail orders and shipping, preservation gardens, seed production and seed storage. We also have a visitors center and garden store that sells seeds, gardening supplies and gifts. In the spring we offer transplants for sale as well. Our office is open Monday through Friday 9:00AM to 5:00PM CST. The Visitors Center is open Monday through Friday from 9:00AM to 5:00PM CST. and 10:00AM to 5:00PM on Saturday Sunday Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Dance w/ the Devil... :-) rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in. Where do I send my check? Tom Irwin wrote: Hi all, IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember it's their genes contaminating your stock not the other way around. Tom Irwin *From:* Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:46:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the heirloom verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee quality? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org javascript:kh6k0(new,Biofuel@sustainablelists.org) http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:11, rich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already exist. [...] Where would I find such seed banks? Any online references? In the UK, at least, one of the better known heritage seed libraries is at the Henry Doubleday Research Association. Their website is at http://www.hdra.org.uk/hsl/index.htm I'm sure there are equivalents in most countries - try asking at your nearest botanic gardens. Gavin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: rich mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank? Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already exist. Perhaps the concerned non-gardener/producer can help the cause by purchasing and storing a portion of the surplus of seeds each year, every year? insuring a large viable stock in hand. Doug This page and the links there should tell you all you need to know about the seeds cris (crises), including heritage seeds, seed networks etc: http://journeytoforever.org/seeds.html Seeds of the world: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Respectfully; Have to? AFAIK there are still grain varieties that allow producers to save grain from the current crop to plant the next crop. As well as heritage fruits and vegetables, that can go year to year, generation to generation. Perhaps from the standpoint of production numbers and cash flow, Ag producers may have to, I don't know. I haven't had access to farm journals for quite some time now, is this all becoming a concern for the Ag. producers in general? Doug, N0LKK - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the heirloom verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee quality? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Hi all, IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember it's their genes contaminating your stocknot the other way around. Tom Irwin From: Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:46:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorismHi Keith and Doug and All ;Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you canstill by seeds that are "heirloom". This is thepresent time. What is frightening is the directionthat the planet is headed.How long before these "heirloom" seed suppliers arebought by the agro giants? How long before some genesneaks into the "heirloom" verieties and patentinfringment money is due? What to do when twodifferent genes from two (or more!) differentcompanies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed fromevery direction.Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not belong (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (includinganimals) will be patented. Anyone think that thiswill guarantee "quality"?Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents onlife forms. And while they are at it they should makeit illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards,Peter G.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'm in. Where do I send my check? Tom Irwin wrote: Hi all, IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember it's their genes contaminating your stock not the other way around. Tom Irwin *From:* Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:46:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the heirloom verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee quality? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org javascript:kh6k0(new,Biofuel@sustainablelists.org) http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in. Where do I send my check? Tom Irwin wrote: Hi all, IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember it's their genes contaminating your stock not the other way around. Tom Irwin *From:* Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:46:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the heirloom verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee quality? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org javascript:kh6k0(new,Biofuel@sustainablelists.org) http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Hi Peter, I have to agree the future is frightening. Corporatism is here, has been here for quite some time, I don't see USA legislators tackling the problem in favor of both the Ag. producer and the consumer of Ag. production or the courts ruling in favor of the growers. The same USA courts that failed to protect our real-estate property against corporate seizure aren't going to protect our crops against the ingress of GM pollen.Again I have to ask if the Ag. producers exhibiting any concern? I live in the middle of Kansas and while the local newspapers give brief coverage to the subject, there is no in-depth coverage or any editorial discussion. I have think heritage seed companies an oxymoron, heritage seeds need no companies to survive, up to the point where they become contaminated anyway. The question is can the Ag. producer survive with the yields heritage seeds provide? I'm fairly certain large scale food production will be with us for quite some time yet. Later... Doug, N0LKK - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the heirloom verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee quality? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I have to agree the future is frightening. Corporatism is here, has been here for quite some time, I don't see USA legislators tackling the problem in favor of both the Ag. producer and the consumer of Ag. production or the courts ruling in favor of the growers. The same USA courts that failed to protect our real-estate property against corporate seizure aren't going to protect our crops against the ingress of GM pollen.Again I have to ask if the Ag. producers exhibiting any concern? I live in the middle of Kansas and while the local newspapers give brief coverage to the subject, there is no in-depth coverage or any editorial discussion. I have think "heritage seed companies" an oxymoron, heritage seeds need no companies to survive, up to the point where they become contaminated anyway. The question is can the Ag. producer survive with the yields heritage seeds provide? I'm fairly certain large scale food production will be with us for quite some time yet. Later... Doug, N0LKK - Original Message - From: "Guag Meister" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are "heirloom". This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these "heirloom" seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the "heirloom" verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee "quality"? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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- Original Message - From: rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank? Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already exist. Perhaps the concerned non-gardener/producer can help the cause by purchasing and storing a portion of the surplus of seeds each year, every year? insuring a large viable stock in hand. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Rich,
I can't help you there. I'm not a lawyer and I haven't bought my farm yet. I'm still doing my research on JTF.
Sorry,
Tom Irwin
From: rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:16:24 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in. Where do I send my check? Tom Irwin wrote: Hi all, IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember it's their genes contaminating your stock not the other way around. Tom Irwin *From:* Guag Meister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:46:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Hi Keith and Doug and All ; Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can still by seeds that are "heirloom". This is the present time. What is frightening is the direction that the planet is headed. How long before these "heirloom" seed suppliers are bought by the agro giants? How long before some gene sneaks into the "heirloom" verieties and patent infringment money is due? What to do when two different genes from two (or more!) different companies are in your crop? You'll be sue'ed from every direction. Respectfully we all need to wake up. It will not be long (like 100 years) that ALL life forms (including animals) will be patented. Anyone think that this will guarantee "quality"? Governments need to invalidate ANY and ALL patents on life forms. And while they are at it they should make it illegal to sell seeds which bear sterile seeds. Best Regards, Peter G. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <_javascript_:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice.Richard___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct, there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound practices these guys are about, and making sure as many people as possible become aware of the things that might make them wake up and begin to make informed choices themselves. Monsanto and all thier shareholders can do nothing but change to survive if they eventually cannot find thier markets for what they currently sell. Joe Mike, you can start by buying Monsanto stock. With enough stockholders submitting proxy proposals (and enough stockholders accepting them), that may obligate the board to put them in practice. Richard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I'm talking about getting just enough shares to be able to vote on the proxies. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: "rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank? Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges already exist. Perhaps the concerned non-gardener/producer can help the cause by purchasing and storing a portion of the surplus of seeds each year, every year? insuring a large viable stock in hand. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Where would I find such seed banks? Any online references? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Burpee? Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Burpee? Seminis. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44318.html [Biofuel] Monsanto buys Seminis http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg46363.html [Biofuel] Monsanto versus Farmers Best Keith Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burpee? Seminis. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44318.html [Biofuel] Monsanto buys Seminis http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg46363.html [Biofuel] Monsanto versus Farmers Best Keith Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I wonder if a number of like-minded, right-minded people who would massively buy shares of a monopoly company such as Monsanto could do? Would they be able to steer the company towards less abusive business practices through changes to its internal structure via proxy proposals? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
no doubt, eventually, one of their gmo's will have the 'accidental' side effect of respiring a specific isotope of oxygen, thus enabling monsanto to hold patent rights on any unit of atmosphere in which this isotope is found. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 8/8/05 12:35:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
