RE: [Biofuel] god problems
my premise is religion is a "PERSONAL" issue and just because some may be into Jesus, others are into Mohamed or Gautama. Religion forms the mind of man, but after "graduation" all are welcome in the next life. So regardless of what you "believe" Your actions are more important than your flavor or belief. A good man is good in any town and religion on this planet. So there is No ONLY way to get to heaven. No matter what flavor of brainwashing you chose. As long as you titrated the teachings and fruit comes into action. The religion was effective. Mel :) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] god problems
Tim, We both are in complete agreement. You said, "Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together." My view exactly. By "organized", I mean "to have the hierarchy an organization would have". Afterall we are all just servants of God. Not one is higher than the other or more holy or most holy or most reverent. Franciss of Assisi tried to follow the footsteps of the apostles but he was set aside by his followers who can't follow his teachings. How ironic. "And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us." I think most of us in this group share this sentiment. You said, "Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith." I think you might have just come accross one such instance here with the people in this group. Best regards, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be "organized". But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is..." meaning that people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament "Faith is built from faith to faith.." which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in "order" regarding the gathering together. Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture also states "..that where good is, evil is also present..". I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us. May God bless you all, Best wishes, Tim Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > >> Christopher: >> God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the >> Bible, >> even persons
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Indeed! If we hadn't mortgaged the future of our children on warfare, what kind of goodwill could we be spreading in South Asia right now? I can imagine C 130s laden with food and water. I can envision the Army Corps of Engineers helping to restore infrastructure. I believe the Navy and Coast Guard could be used in the search for survivors swept out to sea. The Marines could be protecting property from looters, and their medical teams providing aid to the injured. What a different world we would live in if my supposedly Christian nation acted like a nation under God! I can only conclude that your Old Testament tells of a different God than the one described in my copy. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Indeed! If we hadn't mortgaged the future of our children on warfare, what kind of goodwill could we be spreading in South Asia right now? Secured a warfare state in lieu of any threat of a welfare state - discounting corporate welfare, of course. Flawed thinking though, sending them off to war before they get old enough to be a social liability. The carnage of war doesn't end at the steps of a battlefield or flattened civilian section. It comes home in the form of mangled minds and bodies resembling once whole humans - a taxing mess on all social structures. I wonder how the "conservatives" intend to pay that liability in full. What a different world we would live in if my supposedly Christian nation acted like a nation under God! Nice thought Robert. Don't stop pushing it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "robert luis rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Mel Riser wrote: If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. And MAYBE some of us huge wasters of energy MAY NOT be able to DRIVER everywhere. Bet we wouldn’t have as many fat people here. Ever watch the REALLY FAT ones at the grocery store? They will circle the parking lot 14 times all to get a space 20 feet closer to the door. Where is the god in that? Indeed! If we hadn't mortgaged the future of our children on warfare, what kind of goodwill could we be spreading in South Asia right now? I can imagine C 130s laden with food and water. I can envision the Army Corps of Engineers helping to restore infrastructure. I believe the Navy and Coast Guard could be used in the search for survivors swept out to sea. The Marines could be protecting property from looters, and their medical teams providing aid to the injured. What a different world we would live in if my supposedly Christian nation acted like a nation under God! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. And MAYBE some of us huge wasters of energy MAY NOT be able to DRIVER everywhere. Bet we wouldn’t have as many fat people here. Ever watch the REALLY FAT ones at the grocery store? They will circle the parking lot 14 times all to get a space 20 feet closer to the door. Where is the god in that? Indeed! If we hadn't mortgaged the future of our children on warfare, what kind of goodwill could we be spreading in South Asia right now? I can imagine C 130s laden with food and water. I can envision the Army Corps of Engineers helping to restore infrastructure. I believe the Navy and Coast Guard could be used in the search for survivors swept out to sea. The Marines could be protecting property from looters, and their medical teams providing aid to the injured. What a different world we would live in if my supposedly Christian nation acted like a nation under God! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
> Greetings, > > As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came > back] > I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss > differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. > We > came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a > joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No > one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been > kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have > done so. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang out. Thankyou! A collective thankyou... It's a lot of work all the time, nearly all of it out of view, which is as it should be. Like good design and good editing - at its best it's invisible. Judging from the very small number of really talented managers I've known, I think good management is like that too - it's hard to see quite what they do, until they go on holiday or something and suddenly they're not doing it, THEN you see it! I don't think you can learn that at Harvard Business School. Anyway, yes, a lot of work, but, though the technical side has been more troublesome for Martin, as we were recently discussing, I must say that running the list itself has been much less troublesome and time-consuming than it was before we left Yahoo. It's much more a real community now, which it was always trying to be and being thwarted, and it's much more self-moderating, individually and collectively. I posted this message on "The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists" shortly after we moved: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/07.html I reckon we made it to #6b, and the entire list is to be thanked for that, not just us. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, It's only worth doing if it adds something, right? I do learn something. Yes! Lots! That's what this is all about, IMHO. Yes, I think so, and I also think that it goes somewhere. I think it's important. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever List owner Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Yes this is all true. And we pay 1/3 of what we SHOULD be paying for fuel. And yes Halliburton... Or as I like to call it, THE Hallibushcheneyburton Corporation is getting rich big time. Plus the speculation drove up crude prices so all the oil companies are getting rich right now as cost of production is still around 18$ per barrel and they are selling it at 45? Texaco's PROFITS were up 300% last quarter. Appears all ENGINEERED to me. But see you CAN'T run a GIANT military on solar panels. The US generals are complicit with this as well, as they use HUGE amounts of energy every day. So this was a strategic military move to secure future supply and make sure NO ONE ELSE switched to the EURO for oil dollars. Period mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Mel; If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. mel Are you seriously suggesting that had not the USA bombed the crap out of a sovereign nation that proved to be no threat to the US at all that it would have resulted in higher fuel costs at home ? In fact it is exactly the opposite. Had the US left things well enough alone (a first) there would still be oil flowing out of Iraq (under the rip-off oil-for-food thing) instead of the zero production that is happening now (regardless of what CNN is telling you) and world prices would not have taken the roller coaster ride they have since the atrocity began. That said however, your point about dumping the remaining vestiges of the US economy into war instead of responsible management has had a very negative effect. The bilions thrown away incuring the contempt of the world could have been much much better utilized insecuring alternatives at home at a time when it is most needed. Ah, but then Halliburton, Carlyle et co woudln't be getting near the high level profits that they are, and the folks over at Diebold, the manufacturers of the hackable voting machines, wouldn't have gotten that big contract poviding machines with which to defraud the election as it wouldn't have been encessary to rig it, responsible management being able to "win" the election all on it's own with out cheating. So,after all, it was necessary to invade, slaughter the thousands of innocents, polute the air and ground for decades to come so that corporate America could ship their operations off-shore while continuing to reap on-shore dividends from the people most able to provide it, the US government and it's neo-con handlers. Had they stuck to slolar panels and alternative solutions they wouldn't NEED $5/gal gas, they would be able to run without it. Besides, Canada supplies more crude to the US that Saudi does. Canada also sends over 60% of it's natural gas to the US under NAFTA. The problem is US consumption, not availability. Luc -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel > action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into > camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. > How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil)
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) G'day Mel; If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. mel Are you seriously suggesting that had not the USA bombed the crap out of a sovereign nation that proved to be no threat to the US at all that it would have resulted in higher fuel costs at home ? In fact it is exactly the opposite. Had the US left things well enough alone (a first) there would still be oil flowing out of Iraq (under the rip-off oil-for-food thing) instead of the zero production that is happening now (regardless of what CNN is telling you) and world prices would not have taken the roller coaster ride they have since the atrocity began. That said however, your point about dumping the remaining vestiges of the US economy into war instead of responsible management has had a very negative effect. The bilions thrown away incuring the contempt of the world could have been much much better utilized insecuring alternatives at home at a time when it is most needed. Ah, but then Halliburton, Carlyle et co woudln't be getting near the high level profits that they are, and the folks over at Diebold, the manufacturers of the hackable voting machines, wouldn't have gotten that big contract poviding machines with which to defraud the election as it wouldn't have been encessary to rig it, responsible management being able to "win" the election all on it's own with out cheating. So,after all, it was necessary to invade, slaughter the thousands of innocents, polute the air and ground for decades to come so that corporate America could ship their operations off-shore while continuing to reap on-shore dividends from the people most able to provide it, the US government and it's neo-con handlers. Had they stuck to slolar panels and alternative solutions they wouldn't NEED $5/gal gas, they would be able to run without it. Besides, Canada supplies more crude to the US that Saudi does. Canada also sends over 60% of it's natural gas to the US under NAFTA. The problem is US consumption, not availability. Luc -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I would like to put an ... Ahemm... Amen on this one Go robert go. If we had put that 250 billion we dumped into Iraq into buying solar panels, how much energy and jobs you think that would have produced? Of course some fat assed soccer moms driving surburbans MIGHT have to pay 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline. And MAYBE some of us huge wasters of energy MAY NOT be able to DRIVER everywhere. Bet we wouldn’t have as many fat people here. Ever watch the REALLY FAT ones at the grocery store? They will circle the parking lot 14 times all to get a space 20 feet closer to the door. Where is the god in that? mel -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Crimson Bill wrote: > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel > action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into > camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. > How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces presented no credible threat to the United States. The recent discussion concerning religion relates directly to this problem. (And trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold within a conservative Christian congregation.) As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the misuse of my faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly Christian president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ. As an American, I am seething at the injustice we are projecting upon citizens in other parts of the world. The root of my nation's problem is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal discussion of this issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy use, including religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. Those have been the rules around here for a very long time. I hope you come to appreciate them. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 -- No virus found in this out
RE: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Wow, Elvis knows a little about god. Bet he is into BioFuel too! For those folk looking for some decent trucks that are diesel powered. There are a few nice ones on ebay right now about to go pretty cheap. Mostly older chevies with 6.2's in them. mel -Original Message- From: Crimson Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is > relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line > right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) Hey Luc, I think that you and I arrived here about the same time, and your progress has certainly been much faster than mine. Perhaps has more to do with available freetime eh? I only work at what I do somewhat part-time and have three day weekends every wekk and some available time during some of the days in between, so time is something I have. I had been looking into the possibility of moving to Beijing, but put this thought on hold for a number of personal reasons. My alternate was a move to California, which I had expected to hapen much more quickly than it has. We are finally in the process of packing, and will be leaving Indiana for Northern CA 30 days from today. You, of sourse, know that Northern Cal is evey bit as snowed in as Indiana eh? Tahoe is a shi resort :-) Donner pass on I-80 is a winter nightmare at times, so if that is the way you are going check about the pass when you get to Reno NV. Once over the hill (!) and down the slope some summer set in and you wonder where winter went. It's weird. I was once stuck in Reno for a couple days as the Donner was closed due to snow storms, and the 42 mile downhill into Sacramento afterwards was interesting. With all of the uncertainty, I have left the processor parts that I had collected sit until knowing where we were going to end up. I have also decided to scrap my original processor idea in favor of your processor in a cabinet, once I do start building. You don't have to go for 135 liter, you can down size it to better meet your camouflage needs (oops, did I say that?ha!) Once the doors on it and a colouful blanket tossed over it you would think it is a wardrobe of sorts. If done right you can slide pails under the platform as well as a small pre-heat tank, close the doors and voila ! What BD processor ? I can't see any fuel making devices ! Ha! Go get 'em ! You can do it. If I can anyone can, believe me. I am going to start out renting, and will not have the garage space or benefits that come from owning that I currently enjoy. Your ideas seem to fit in perfectly with the situation to which I am going, however. And that was the original idea for it's design. I was at first extremely limited in the amount of available space and that forced some idea crunching, necessity being the mother of invention and all that, and "The Box" was born. I am not sure if I ever thanked you for sharing them with the rest of us. You just did. Immitation is the sincerest form of flatery. I do hope that this idea with help you make something that is both compact and functional for your needs. Glad I was able to be a help. Once I get moved I will keep you informed of my progress. Yes, please do. Not only that but now progress is expected of you (having made such bold statements ha!), so have at it. Don't rush though, take it one step at a time, and you will get there sooner that way. Enjoy your new digs. Luc Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Hey Luc, > > Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things > forward. > Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be > "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you > can > pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) > I think that you and I arrived here about the same time, and your progress has certainly been much faster than mine. I had been looking into the possibility of moving to Beijing, but put this thought on hold for a number of personal reasons. My alternate was a move to California, which I had expected to hapen much more quickly than it has. We are finally in the process of packing, and will be leaving Indiana for Northern CA 30 days from today. With all of the uncertainty, I have left the processor parts that I had collected sit until knowing where we were going to end up. I have also decided to scrap my original processor idea in favor of your processor in a cabinet, once I do start building. I am going to start out renting, and will not have the garage space or benefits that come from owning that I currently enjoy. Your ideas seem to fit in perfectly with the situation to which I am going, however. I am not sure if I ever thanked you for sharing them with the rest of us. Once I get moved I will keep you informed of my progress. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who >put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang >out. It is most definetly a collective effort, and all parts of that effort makes this list so stimulating. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. Without the JtF site (and this list) I never could have done anything that remotely resembles what I have been able to accomplish, so yes, it is a treasure house well worth investigating. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward. Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-) However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. A wise person learns from his mistakes, a wiser person still learns from the mistakes of others. The point is, to learn something, and here you have no problem doing that.IMHO too:) Luc Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
> Greetings, > > As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came > back] > I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss > differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. > We > came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a > joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No > one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been > kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have > done so. > > Bright Blessings, > Kim I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who put effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang out. I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back to the fold. I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at this stage in my development. I do get a lot from being able to watch the success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest once I get settled somewhere. However, what really keeps me coming back is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all about, IMHO. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
As a long time member of the biofuels list, [I took a break then came back] I have found this list to be different, very different. We can discuss differences and not fight! We do not divide into camps and start wars. We came to learn from each other and we do learn, not just biofuels. It is a joy to have a place where different spiritualities can be discussed. No one is saying you must believe as I believe. Different people have been kind enough to share what they believe or live. My thanks to all who have done so. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:10 PM 12/27/2004, you wrote: I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don't titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
It's the same delete button for everyone. You wandered into a discussion, not the first of it's kind, on your own, and should you so chose wander out the same way. Biofuels you say ?http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Nothing BUT biofuels. And once you have thouroughly assimilated all the information there and still have pertinent question you are more than welcomed to ask here. Your questions will be aswered. So far though, no question, only a critique of what others should be doing. You walk the way you want, however i shall do the same and I will not be "shut up" because you don't like it. Use the delete button, it's a very useful tool for managing things you are not interested in. The only "fighting " that ever develops is usually prompted by the "shut up about that subject I don't like it crowd". Like I said before, this isn't the first time this has come up and might not even be the last, so if censureship is what you want you might be disappointed. Respect reigns here, and anything else will not be tolerated, beit rom those who profess a certain religious faith or from those who do not. It is a community, and within that community there are divergeances of personal opinion, al the while in the quest for alternative energy solutions. No automatons, no subject cops, no censureship, only a cooperative effort binding people from several countries around the world into this one community. Many facets of that global environment are represented here and that is, in part, what makes it so much more interesting than the mono-boards found elsewhere; for those able to participate that is. You can learn mountains here, or not, but ultim,ately that decision will be yours. Luc - Original Message - From: "Crimson Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration) I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. It's all in the doing, not in the religion. All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
Hi Robert ; Yes very well stated indeed. I would only add that there exist people with interesting and unique perspectives. As a list participant I appreciate the opportunity to be exposed to these perspectives and learn and also to post. No one knows everything. As long as we keep the subject line relevant to the post (shame on me too), un-interesting posts can just be deleted by the reader. Nothing lost. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crimson Bill wrote: > > > I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice > the little g? > > > > I am walking the way I walk and am just looking > for some biofuel action. > > Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will > divide into camps and the > > fighting begins. Never fails. > > Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much > to the people who > frequent this group. You will notice after being > here awhile that > people like Todd and I can completely disagree on > some issue, yet > remain civil and respectful toward one another. We > can learn about a > wide range of perspectives in an international forum > of this nature, > some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it > more tangential. > > > > How about some biofuel? > > We've been around this block many times, Bill. The > discussion here > often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and > religion, and > inevitably someone complains about "off topic" > posting. This may be > well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view > a little bit and > understand why this discussion is relevant to > biofuels. > > My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive > and cohesive > energy policy. What drives American actions in the > present > administration is a pressing need to secure a > variety of "traditional" > (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources > so that a single > problem in some distant part of the world does not > hold the American > economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled > into the affairs of > central Asian nations, Africa, South America and > Iraq. (And this is > the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) > Therefore, the > recent discussion in this forum about hyping the > terror threat relates > to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to > direct our angst, > Americans might wake up and realize that we need a > plan that is more > sensible and responsible than the "market driven" > ideas we have > pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. > > Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" > > dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to > their "plan" for > Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the > cloak of religion, > these people have hijacked many influential churches > in North America > and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there > such a thing?) into > supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of > American military > forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator > whose armed forces > presented no credible threat to the United States. > The recent > discussion concerning religion relates directly to > this problem. (And > trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold > within a > conservative Christian congregation.) > > As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the > misuse of my > faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly > Christian > president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus > Christ. As an > American, I am seething at the injustice we are > projecting upon > citizens in other parts of the world. The root of > my nation's problem > is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal > discussion of this > issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. > > Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy > use, including > religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. > Those have been the > rules around here for a very long time. I hope you > come to appreciate > them. > > > > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. Not in this forum. Our discussion means too much to the people who frequent this group. You will notice after being here awhile that people like Todd and I can completely disagree on some issue, yet remain civil and respectful toward one another. We can learn about a wide range of perspectives in an international forum of this nature, some of it directly related to biofuels, some of it more tangential. How about some biofuel? We've been around this block many times, Bill. The discussion here often wanders into the realm of geopolitics and religion, and inevitably someone complains about "off topic" posting. This may be well intended, but I'd like you to broaden your view a little bit and understand why this discussion is relevant to biofuels. My nation, the United States, lacks a comprehensive and cohesive energy policy. What drives American actions in the present administration is a pressing need to secure a variety of "traditional" (that is, liquid and gaseous fossil) energy sources so that a single problem in some distant part of the world does not hold the American economy hostage. For this reason, we have meddled into the affairs of central Asian nations, Africa, South America and Iraq. (And this is the root of our opposition to the Kyoto Accord.) Therefore, the recent discussion in this forum about hyping the terror threat relates to biofuels. Without an "enemy" upon which to direct our angst, Americans might wake up and realize that we need a plan that is more sensible and responsible than the "market driven" ideas we have pursued so relentlessly since I've been an adult. Coupled with this, a blind following of "Christian" dispensationalists demand absolute allegiance to their "plan" for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Using the cloak of religion, these people have hijacked many influential churches in North America and brainwashed nonthinking Christians (is there such a thing?) into supporting Israel at all costs; including the use of American military forces to subdue a certain Middle Eastern dictator whose armed forces presented no credible threat to the United States. The recent discussion concerning religion relates directly to this problem. (And trust me, mine is a VERY unpopular position to hold within a conservative Christian congregation.) As a devoted Christian, I am deeply troubled by the misuse of my faith; particularly when the actions of a supposedly Christian president directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ. As an American, I am seething at the injustice we are projecting upon citizens in other parts of the world. The root of my nation's problem is its insatiable demand for energy, yet formal discussion of this issue is happening NOWHERE outside of this forum. Therefore, any topic related to reducing energy use, including religious discussion, is fair game in this forum. Those have been the rules around here for a very long time. I hope you come to appreciate them. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
I dressed as Elvis to my Uncle Harry's wedding because Uncle Harry was so damm cool. The preacher threw me out. Said I was sacreligeous. I looked at him and said, "I bet you can't dance." and left. I came looking for biofuels and found god? Notice the little g? I am walking the way I walk and am just looking for some biofuel action. Just looking for biofuels. Pretty soon this will divide into camps and the fighting begins. Never fails. You know it as well as I do. How about some biofuel? Bill - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems > If you don’t titrate right you can't get to heaven? See it is relevant. > > It's all in the doing, not in the religion. > > All religions can get you to god, if "titrated" correctly. > > Wait...wait.. you're gonna come back with a my way or no way line right? > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
