Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[Arcologic]

I heard that Mercedes has a hybrid diesel in this winter's auto show.  
(Mentioned on www.tdiclub.com )  Toyota is believed to be working on one.  GM 
had a 
diesel hybrid concept car in 2000 that got 80 mpg.  I think Chrysler has one 
currently at 83 mpg, I think.  My memory is a little unreliable, but you 
certainly get the idea.  They are coming, and we can't be sure how it will all 
shake 
out.  One thing is sure-- cars will get a lot better than what is offered now.

Personal note:  I am currently driving a diesel that gets 65 mpg, not a 
hybrid.  (A modified Beetle.)  See it at www.max-mpg.com  Further, I am 
interested 
in finding support for an engine development project.  The concept is a very 
clean two-stroke diesel that will get about 90 mpg on the highway (with no 
hybrid support) in a Beetle-size car.

One further rumor:  A member of this list (I shouldn't name--it's not me) is 
working on a new kind of low-cost, renewable diesel fuel that should burn much 
cleaner than present diesel fuels.

Ernie Rogers

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Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I read 
about is of hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know that diesel cars 
are 
much more fuel efficient. if we were to combine that with the extra fuel 
savings of a diesel vehicle and we use the biodiesel.-wow Todd Wootton 
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[aleksander . kac]

The hybrid Hummer. All diesel subs starting well before WW2.
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[Donald A. Coccia]

North American International Auto Show.
Most importantly for your post, see the second paragraph above the section 
entitled "Hydrid in Action" and beginning "Meantime..." where there's a 
discussion of a Mercedes-Benz hybrid diesel wagon.

http://autos.msn.com/as/autoshow2004/article.aspx?xml=Hybrids&shw=autoshow2004
Don C.
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Train engines (diesel locomotives).  Some hybrid buses. Some prototype 
truck
tractors.  The Spincraft workboat (hybrid version).  There was a 
super-efficient
high mileage one-off car done in Europe (either VW or Mercedes, I think). 
PNGV

prototypes (as noted by Keith already).  Couple of U.S. university project
vehicles.  Nothing mainstream yet.  My vehicle remains a work in progress.

"Todd Wootton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked:

Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I read 
about is of
hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know that diesel cars are much 
more fuel
efficient. if we were to combine that with the extra fuel savings of a 
diesel
vehicle and we use the biodiesel.-wow Todd Wootton 
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[Darryl McMahon]

Train engines (diesel locomotives).  Some hybrid buses. Some prototype truck 
tractors.  The Spincraft workboat (hybrid version).  There was a 
super-efficient 
high mileage one-off car done in Europe (either VW or Mercedes, I think).  PNGV 
prototypes (as noted by Keith already).  Couple of U.S. university project 
vehicles.  Nothing mainstream yet.  My vehicle remains a work in progress.

"Todd Wootton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked:

> Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I read 
> about is of
> hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know that diesel cars are much 
> more fuel
> efficient. if we were to combine that with the extra fuel savings of a diesel
> vehicle and we use the biodiesel.-wow Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home
> Office (905)473-5646 Cellular (705)794-1264

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RE: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[Mel Riser]

Not that I know of, but there is a hybrid boat drive system for Sailboats.

Solomon Technologies uses an electric motor that is driven by a diesel 
generator.

It also charges the batteries when you are sailing by turning the motor and 
generating electricity.

You should see the fuel consumption stats.

It uses HALF the fuel a conventional sailboat with the same power does.

mel

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Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I read about 
is of hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know that diesel cars are much 
more fuel efficient. if we were to combine that with the extra fuel savings of 
a diesel vehicle and we use the biodiesel.-wow Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid vehicles

[Keith Addison]

Is there such a thing as a hybrid diesel vehicle. Everything that I 
read about is of hybrid with internal cumbustion but we all know 
that diesel cars are much more fuel efficient. if we were to combine 
that with the extra fuel savings of a diesel vehicle and we use the 
biodiesel.-wow


See PNGV:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=PNGV&time=all&usertime 
=2002-12-31

Information Archive at NNYTech

From previous:


The three vehicles developed in the US by the Big Three under the
abandoned PNGV program all achieved 80mpg and they were all
diesel-electric hybrids. There are some details here:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html
Do diesels have a future?

Do an archive search for "PNGV" if you want an interesting read:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/

This is a good place to start:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30857/


Best wishes

Keith



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RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Vehicles in real life

[Dan Volker]

If anyone is interested in some personal experiences with Hybrids, I have
been driving my Honda Insight for over a year now. You can get pretty much
the mileage you want to get with this car...the way I drive, I usually get
between 45 and 50 miles per gallon. The car has digital readout on your
instantaneous use of gas, so if you want to get 60 miles per gallon, up to
about 70 mph, this is very possible. However, in the heavy Interstate
traffic of South Florida, and the constant rush we are in, impatience will
usually cause lots of sudden braking and then sudden acceleration, so 45 mpg
is often the result. 
If you are really in a rush, this car has easily cruised from West Palm to
Orlando at speeds averaging between 105 and 115 mph, during which time
mileage dropped to about 27 mpg. The Insight handles turns and high speeds
like a real sports car, and would destroy a Prius in any type of competive
handling. It will actually out handle most cars in high speed interstate
driving, this not including Corvettes or other cars with speed capabilities
unrelated to real life needs. 

On scenic coastal roads like A1A, where the speed limit ranges  from 35 to
40 mph, the Insight can easily get 75 and even 80 mpg, and you don't feel
like you are trying that hard to accomplish this !

Dan V  

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> 
> Hybrid cars shine in city stop and go, report shows
> 
> Vancouver, November 18, 2004 - A new report on the 
> performance of 100 hybrid electric vehicles has documented 
> substantially lower fuel costs and reductions in air 
> pollution, with some owners reporting up to 60 percent 
> savings when using hybrids compared to the vehicles they replaced.
> 
> The report released today by Fleet Challenge BC, a program of 
> the Fraser Basin Council, concluded 3hybrids appear to be 
> well suited to stop and go applications like urban commuting, 
> taxis, and couriers.2  The report's researchers says its 
> findings will be of particular interest to consumers and 
> vehicle fleet managers looking to save on fuel costs while 
> reducing greenhouse gases and other harmful emissions.
> 
> North America's two highest mileage hybrid taxis logged 
> 675,000 kilometres during the past three years without 
> problems, the report said.
> 
> The B.C. government, which operates a fleet of 61 2001 Toyota 
> Prius vehicles, the largest hybrid fleet in Canada, reported 
> an average fuel efficiency of 5.8 litres per 100 kilometres 
> during 2.5 million kilometres of driving throughout the province.
> 
> 3As Minister responsible for government1s fleet, I look for 
> opportunities that encourage the use of greener, more 
> fuel-efficient vehicles,2 said Management Services Minister 
> Joyce Murray. 3The results of the Hybrid Experience Report 
> will be useful as B.C. continues to demonstrate leadership in 
> reducing emissions and fuel costs across ministries.2
> 
> "Transportation accounts for about 25 percent of Canada's 
> greenhouse gas emissions, the main contributor to climate 
> change," said the Honourable R.
> John Efford, Minister of Natural Resources Canada.  
> "Initiatives like Fleet Challenge BC and this report are 
> important in two ways. First, they educate Canadian fleet 
> managers about hybrid vehicles. Second, they show that hybrid 
> technology can have both environmental and economic benefits, 
> and help Canada effectively respond to climate change."
> 
> "The City of Vancouver is very excited to be part of this 
> study," says David Cadman Councillor for the City of 
> Vancouver and GVRD Director. "Increasing the use of hybrid 
> vehicles is one measure that will help the City of Vancouver 
> meet our Cool Vancouver goals for reducing greenhouse gas emissions."
> 
> BC Hydro recently added nine hybrid vehicles to its fleet and 
> already they are making a significant contribution to the 
> bottom line, said Bruce Sampson, Vice-President of 
> Sustainability, BC Hydro, who added: 3We'll be sharing our 
> operating experience with these vehicles through the Hybrid 
> Experience Report.2
> 
> 
> The Report provides information on hybrid vehicles currently 
> in production by major manufacturers, including the Honda 
> Insight, Toyota Prius, Ford Escape, Honda Civic Hybrid, and 
> Chevrolet Silverado truck, plus commercial vehicles such as 
> delivery trucks and transit buses. The Report noted that an 
> additional 15 hybrid vehicle models will be introduced by 
> manufacturers between 2005 and 2007.
> 
> The Report is available on the website 
> www.hybridexperience.ca   .
> 
> The Report's website has many features that will help users 
> become better informed about current models, the technology 
> behind them and how well each model has performed in terms of 
> bot