Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units cheneyvii wrote: I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Have you seen our web site? - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units cheneyvii wrote: I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges Refill Kits for Your Epson at Myinks.com Free shipping on orders $50 or more to the US and Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5705lp=home/epson.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/brYXfA/_xWGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Here is another one: http://www.superiorprocesstech.com/ It really depends on what your looking for. Small, mid, or large production. As what's been said before, a small production unit can be cheaply made, by you. Most of the mid solutions that are out seem to be skid or container types up to ~500K. And the large production facilities are using industrial plant builders at a very high cost. Todd will be putting out a whitepaper on a small 2 stage acid/base plant sometime in the near future on JTF. I believe that smallish (ie. under 1000gpd) highly distributed plants are the way to go. Something akin to a city or area plant depending on feedstock availability. The scaling of BD production to a certain point really does simplify things, all the way from feedstock sourcing, production, to co-products reclaimation, and wastewater recycling. But as a point to show here, I make single stage batchs in 5 gal buckets 20 gal's at a time (looking to build a 55 gal drum processor soon). From that experience I would say that if your going to do over 10 gal's at a time, it's best to go with a larger processor, wash tank, etc system. I kinda came up with a formula for doubling and moving up to a larger processor and various gallon intervals. Kinda like 10 gal = 5 gal bucket processing, 20-40 gal = 35 - 55 gal drum processing, 100 gal, 200 gal, 400 gal, 1000 gal, 2000 gal, etc .. You get the picture. James Slayden On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Winny De Schryver wrote: Look at www.energea.at and www.biodieseltechnologies.com also superior technologies in the US is selling plants Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: cheneyvii [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 17 juli 2003 9:18 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges Refill Kits for Your Epson at Myinks.com Free shipping on orders $50 or more to the US and Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5705lp=home/epson.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/brYXfA/_xWGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Here is another one: http://www.superiorprocesstech.com/ Already covered in the link I gave: Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech As are Winnie's two refs. It really depends on what your looking for. Small, mid, or large production. As what's been said before, a small production unit can be cheaply made, by you. Most of the mid solutions that are out seem to be skid or container types up to ~500K. And the large production facilities are using industrial plant builders at a very high cost. Todd will be putting out a whitepaper on a small 2 stage acid/base plant sometime in the near future on JTF. Oh, will he be? News on me (on whom it depends), but good news, I expect. James, you don't need a special processor for the acid-base process, any processor will do. I suppose you could optimize a processor for acid-base, but I'm not sure how, nor why. A 5 gal bucket'll do just fine. Nothing special about two-stage processes as far as processors are concerned - you switch it off, you wait, maybe you drain something or maybe not, you switch it on again. Nor about acid-base: you add a catalyst each time, what does the processor care what catalyst it is? And you have to heat the stuff each time, as with all processes (well, nearly all). This is what the acid-base process page says: Equipment A bottom-drained reactor vessel is best, closed on top. Tall, narrow containers work better than wide, shallow ones. Use a circulating pump for mixing rather than a mechanical stirrer. The pump should take the mixture from near the bottom of the reactor and return it via the top, to splash down on the surface. For a 35-litre reactor, a 100-W washing-machine pump will do, along with a 1.5kW washing-machine immersion heater to heat the mixture (get a heater that's coated with stainless steel). You could use a thermostat to control the temperature, but they're expensive: just use a thermometer and switch on the heater as required. - From The FOOLPROOF way to make biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html That's just general information about processors, nothing specific to the acid-base process. Pumps need less power than stirrers for the same effect. The glycerine-draining part in the second stage is optional, as it says: If your reactor allows for it... A bottom-drained reactor vessel, closed on top, is best for any process, but not essential, and nor is it for the acid-base process. Best Keith I believe that smallish (ie. under 1000gpd) highly distributed plants are the way to go. Something akin to a city or area plant depending on feedstock availability. The scaling of BD production to a certain point really does simplify things, all the way from feedstock sourcing, production, to co-products reclaimation, and wastewater recycling. But as a point to show here, I make single stage batchs in 5 gal buckets 20 gal's at a time (looking to build a 55 gal drum processor soon). From that experience I would say that if your going to do over 10 gal's at a time, it's best to go with a larger processor, wash tank, etc system. I kinda came up with a formula for doubling and moving up to a larger processor and various gallon intervals. Kinda like 10 gal = 5 gal bucket processing, 20-40 gal = 35 - 55 gal drum processing, 100 gal, 200 gal, 400 gal, 1000 gal, 2000 gal, etc .. You get the picture. James Slayden On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Winny De Schryver wrote: Look at www.energea.at and www.biodieseltechnologies.com also superior technologies in the US is selling plants Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: cheneyvii [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 17 juli 2003 9:18 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Todd will be putting out a whitepaper on a small 2 stage acid/base plant sometime in the near future on JTF. Oh, will he be? News on me (on whom it depends), but good news, I expect. I believe it was placed in the context of it could be placed at JTF for everyone to view if such were amenable. The thought was vocalized after a question was posed along the lines of where can I buy a processor. My response was after someone posted an extremely overpriced plastic bucket and motor at Yahoo Biodiesel, with my thoughts being why should anyone put themselves in a position of being shaken down when they can do the same thing for pennies on the dollar? None the less, that's the entire purpose of what's being done here - solidifying a cookie cutter process and a 330 - 500 gpd system that can meet any state, federal and local EPA regs on all accounts (VOCs, waste water, MeOH recovery, glycerol disposal, etc.) all on a shoestring budget - then publish it on the web and let all those with a little moxy reproduce it in their own locals. That's the best way to get this to mushroom as fast as it needs to. The whole concept of capitalistic proprietary knowledge will only slow that growth down or permanently stunt it. James, you don't need a special processor for the acid-base process, any processor will do. I suppose you could optimize a processor for acid-base, but I'm not sure how, nor why. A 5 gal bucket'll do just fine. Sure don't. But going acid/base does slow production down a bit, making it necessary to give some thought to enlarging a system or doubling the number of reactors (1 acid, 1 base) if the system is already at or near max output. Todd Swearingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges Refill Kits for Your Epson at Myinks.com Free shipping on orders $50 or more to the US and Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5705lp=home/epson.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/brYXfA/_xWGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
cheneyvii wrote: I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Coral Calcium for Greater Health. 1 month supply - $23.95 (1 bottle, 90 tablets, 400mg each with Magnesium Vitamin D) http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2805lp=calcium2.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/mcIe3D/v9VGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units
Look at www.energea.at and www.biodieseltechnologies.com also superior technologies in the US is selling plants Winny -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: cheneyvii [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 17 juli 2003 9:18 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units I would like information on Biodiesel production units. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sOykFB/k9VGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
