Re: [biofuel] Intro + biofuel

2004-06-16 Thread lendzian
Roy, Please keep us advised as to how you make out with the upgrade. Are you making your own BD or buying commercially made stuff? I wish you LUCK!! -Michael ++ Quoting GuzziMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Howdy, New to the list. Here I hope to

[biofuel] Re: Direct oil conversion?

2004-06-16 Thread tomasjkn
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Donald Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am no chemist, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Your suggestion would involve splitting the Carbon-Carbon bonds in the glycerol part of the molecule. This is certainly possible, as it's what happens with catalytic

[biofuel] practical technology

2004-06-16 Thread tallex2002
Hi all, I have started a new group for serious experimenters and others interested in practical applications of alternative energy and distributed energy. Group focus is on working prototypes, energy efficiency improvements, schematics, research details etc. real-time systems, practical

[biofuel] Visit to Piedmont

2004-06-16 Thread steven mesibov
Thanks, Lyle, (Piedmont BioFuels) for an excellent informative visit. I really appreciated you taking the time to show me around. I was impressed about your dedication and willingness to get solar energy, the University, and even the growing of mustard seed all involved in the bio-diesel

[biofuel] Producing Hydrogen

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I am interested in looking into the current techniques for producing hydrogen. What is considered most efficient. Is it more efficient at higher pressures? Is the best way reversing a fuel cell? Electrolyzing water? Are there any good web sites on this? Are there filters for hydrogen gas like

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moving

2004-06-16 Thread rico suavae
Very true,I was speaking of the building.But,come to think of it don't we end up in a symbiotic relationship with the structures we inhabit? Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck on your new digs.I hope you find

RE: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Fitzpatrick
Your web sites about how bad Israel is don't mean a lot in this discussion - all I'm saying is that if I had an enemy living as close to me as Syria is to Israel, I wouldn't let them keep the high ground after they had started shelling me from it either - regardless of whether or not they

[biofuel] Test Batches using SVO

2004-06-16 Thread gregg2560
I've only been a member of this group for a short time, but I've learned a few tricks to making biodiesel thanks to other more experienced members.I am currently working on getting a supply of WVO from a fast food place near to where I work. In my test batches, I've used 500mls of straight

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I have no intention of defending Isreal. However the tone of these articles are scary at best. Talking about motive as being irrelevant, etc, etc. Of course motive is important. If there is no logical reason for someone to do something most likely the basic assumptions are flawed. When a war

Re: [biofuel] Re: Two Stage process -- design to add methoxide

2004-06-16 Thread linden duncan
Mark, I looked at the appleseed reactor. I was impressed. The fact that it is fumeless is an attractive safety factor. Do you know of anyone besides the inventor that has one in operation? Linden girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the processor plans at:

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
I visited Israel recently and toured the Golan among other places. The Golan is the perfect place for anyone bent on the destruction of Israel (like Syria professes to be) to possess so that they can just drop their artillery shells on the most inhabitted sections of the country. That's what

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Dan, I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you are saying have nothing at all to do with the issues that I bring up in my posting. This about most inhabited part of the country, have you ever been visiting Israel? Do you really understand the geography and can

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Steve wrote: I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what is just and what is not. Jews have taken other peoples' homes and have driven them out of their land. i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact that Isreal is to exist. They have offered to live in peace

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread bmolloy
Hi Hakan, With respect to you and Dan, this is a biofuels group, not a political discussion seminar. If all the hot air generated by the Israeli/Arab question were bottled and pipe-fed worldwide we'd could close this chatline and run our vehicles forever on the energy. For the

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gregg Davidson
Keith, may I ask a fool question? Is this a newsgroup that is mainly about alternative fuels, or is it a political outlet for folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what? I am getting very tired of reading all the negative personal politics of some of the members. I know this is a free country

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
John Woolsey wrote... a load of total nonsense. A bunch of fact-free opinions only to be found among a particular sector of thoroughly-spun Americans. Whatever would you do without FoxTV John? Learn something maybe? What's always amusing about this stuff is how they they espouse a balanced

Re: [biofuel] New to the group

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I find this things very hard to believe. My father was telling me about how in the 70s someone put together a book that said we where going to run out of nickel copper and various other metals. The book quoted mostly dates in the 80s. It is now 2004 and we are recycling some stuff, but we are

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I don't watch Fox TV nor am I an American. And yes I do believe that Bush in many ways is feeding off world problems to stay in power as well. Although that doesn't work very well in most democracies does it. He may or may not stay in power but he is by no means assured of it by his views. In

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Bob, Have you visited http://jouneytofoever.org/ and read it? If so, I think that you will understand that this group is about supporting biofuels, allocation, use and development of the world resources. This for the good of the whole world and not only a selected elite. It has attracted a

[biofuel] Dream Processor

2004-06-16 Thread ke6sge
Sorry if my first post here was long winded and boring but I am disappointed in the lack of responses (zero) to it. I was hoping to generate some response to the making of my processor project using stainless steal for the main material. If you had a sheet of metal ( you tell me what kind of

[biofuel] Re: Prefab Possessor

2004-06-16 Thread skillshare
I thibnk that's a great idea. Get started making fuel first, though, so you thorouoghly understand all the options for processors. There;s a serious lack of good steel conical bottom tanks available, and I encourage anyone like you to make them for others. You're welcome to use the plumbing

[biofuel] Re: Two Stage process -- design to add methoxide

2004-06-16 Thread skillshare
read the equipment forum it came from- www.veggieavenger.com/media -there are a few people on there who have posted with photos of their version. I know of about 20 or 25 of these in operation. Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, linden duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, I looked

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Gregg, What free country? It cannot be bothering you too much, if you read so little that it did not strike you that the majority of the list members are not from your free country, but many other parts of the world. Of course you can make your elegantly expressed view heard, I would not

Re: [biofuel] Visit to Piedmont

2004-06-16 Thread matt mann
Hello Steven, Lyle, and the group, I have been researching biodiesel for some time, as an alternative to fossil fuels, and was glad to have found this site. Political debates aside, there are quite a few very knowledgeable people in here! That being said, I am in Charlotte, NC near the NC/SC

Bob - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Bob Hi Hakan, With respect to you and Dan, this is a biofuels group, not a political discussion seminar. A false distinction - please see my message to Gregg in this thread. If all the hot air generated by the Israeli/Arab question were bottled and pipe-fed worldwide we'd

Gregg - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Gregg Keith, may I ask a fool question? Is this a newsgroup that is mainly about alternative fuels, or is it a political outlet for folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what? I am getting very tired of reading all the negative personal politics Pardon me, but all that means is stuff

[biofuel] Fwd: Greasing the Wheels presentation on biodiesel activism, June 30, San Francisco

2004-06-16 Thread girl Mark
Subject: [Biodieselcouncil] Greasing the Wheels, SF, June 30 Greasing the Wheels Firing up San Francisco's Biodiesel Movement Wednesday, June 30th 6:00 – 9:00 p.m. In San Francisco. The Berkeley Biodiesel Collective, and the Ecology Center, along with several San Francisco

[biofuel] Fwd: [local-b100-biz] Membership Coordinator Needed For New Biodiesel Nonprofit

2004-06-16 Thread girl mark
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:10:07 -0700 Subject: [local-b100-biz] Membership Coordinator Needed For New Biodiesel Nonprofit Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Membership Coordinator Needed For New Biodiesel Nonprofit The Biodiesel Council of California is in need of a membership coordinator /

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
John Woolsey wrote: I don't watch Fox TV You might as well, you'd like it, echoes your views. nor am I an American. I know you're not, I remember your first post. Doesn't make much difference sometimes. For the rest of it, sorry, it's pathetic. Go stick labels on your own forehead, not

Re: [biofuel] Re: Prefab Possessor

2004-06-16 Thread ke6sge
Thanks Mark, I am working on autocad now as I read your message just playing with shapes and looking at what will be simple to make but functional. I will look at the appleseed closer and others as well, along with trying my hand at making BD. I might even try and talk my cohorts at work to try

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry Bob, Should have been http://journeytoforever.org/ I have to improve my eye for spelling mistakes. . Hakan At 06:02 16/06/2004, you wrote: Bob, Have you visited http://jouneytofoever.org/http://jouneytofoever.org/ and read it? If so, I think that you will understand that this group

[biofuel] Re: Prefab Possessor

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mark, Brian and all I thibnk that's a great idea. Get started making fuel first, though, so you thorouoghly understand all the options for processors. I'm glad you responded Mark, and more so that you said this - I wanted to respond but I think this is a major point, and I didn't want to

Re: [biofuel] Re: Two Stage process -- design to add methoxide

2004-06-16 Thread linden duncan
Mark, Thanks for your patience. I have very little time to look at these messages and even less time to look at the information contained therein. I love the idea that you have recycled something that ends up in our landfills. Ingenious. Linden skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Gregg - Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gregg Davidson
Hi Keith, Thanks for explaining things about this forum. I just get un-nerved from time to time about things. Yes, I am an American proud to be one. My country has it's share of problems it is not a perfect society I will grant you. I am not really surprised that I am in a minority here,

[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Greasing the Wheels presentation on biodiesel activism, June 30, San Francisco

2004-06-16 Thread Phil Dodd
Does anyone know of any seminars like this on the east coast? Or are we just that far behind the learning curve? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [Biodieselcouncil] Greasing the Wheels, SF, June 30 Greasing the Wheels Firing up San

[biofuel] Changing weather and the future

2004-06-16 Thread spamkiller111
Irrespective of your appreciation of the current administration in this, or any other country, one need heed the facts that they have so carefully collected, and to what use they are putting them. Deep under the ground, in many locations too numerous to mention, these respective governments

Re[4]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Dan, Tuesday, 15 June, 2004, 18:07:50, you wrote: DF Your web sites about how bad Israel is don't mean a lot in this DF discussion - all I'm saying is that if I had an enemy living as DF close to me as Syria is to Israel, I wouldn't let them keep the DF high ground after they

[biofuel] New and looking for advice

2004-06-16 Thread Randy
I just found out I can make my own fuel. There alot of ways to make biodiesel and would like to bypass alot of the learning curve. What is the best way for me to make fuel in my back yard and from there go on to making a small plant that can furnish fuel for others. Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Fitzpatrick
Thanks Bob, you're absolutely correct. Dan -Original Message- From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment Hi Hakan, With respect to you and Dan, this is a

[biofuel] Biodiesel demonstration

2004-06-16 Thread Ernest Rogers
Friends, On June 25, I and my grandson will drive a 2003 VW Beetle TDI from Salt Lake City, Utah, to Anchorage Alaska: distance 3,100 miles. Expected fuel use will be 50 gallons of biodiesel (B20). Mileage will be a little better than 60 miles per gallon, or 120 passenger miles per

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread John Woolsey
I hardly call that site a news site. It is probably better classified as a blog where someone who has an axe to grid is trying to build a case for hatred. If you don't believe me start clicking some of the links. ie if you buy this then maybe you buy something else more blatant. I don't

[biofuel] Don't blame E.T. for the weather

2004-06-16 Thread MALONEKR
E.T. is just an observer of our own stupidity;not the cause of it.Earth pole shift is just another theory that can not be proven.We have manufactured our own HELL and judgement is coming without refering to whomever the judge may be.Keith staying on HIGH ground is smart unless a sleepy volcano

Re: [biofuel] New and looking for advice

2004-06-16 Thread ChrisMul2004
Hey randy, if you find out any more could you pass it on to me please ? I am buying new veg oil direct from shops @ 50penca a litre, must be a cheaper way!! thanks chris lincs england [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-16 Thread Derek Sceats
What is a good source for purchasing KOH in the States? Do you have to go through chemical suppliers like Fisher Scientific? What level of purity is required? Any recommendations? I am at the point of starting some lab testing with NaOH and KOH. Thanks for the help. Derek

RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks Bob, you're absolutely correct. And the interest I asked you whether you shouldn't be declaring Dan? Keith Dan -Original Message- From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this

Re: [biofuel] New and looking for advice

2004-06-16 Thread Keith Addison
I just found out I can make my own fuel. There alot of ways to make biodiesel and would like to bypass alot of the learning curve. Why would you think that is a good idea? What is the best way for me to make fuel in my back yard and from there go on to making a small plant that can furnish

Re: [biofuel] practical technology

2004-06-16 Thread Kris Book
Thank you so much! I hope you are successful. And if possible, please take all these right-wing propaganda swilling numbskulls with you. These Republicans make me embarrassed to be a human. Why can't you all see that the only way your system of abundance works is for the majority of the world's

Re: [biofuel] Dream Processor

2004-06-16 Thread ke6sge
Hello Fern, I live in the Mojave desert with in the Las Angles County CA . A bite too far of a drive for ether of us unfortunately {:-( but that will not stop me from working with you and others {:-) As stated in my first post this is all new to me but I fell confident in the making of a good

[biofuel] Intro Utah Biodieselers?

2004-06-16 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
Hi guys, I would like introduce myself and the newely formed Utah Biodiesel Cooperative to the list, especially since Ernie's email made it apparent that there are area listers who may not have heard of us... A couple months ago, several of us started getting together and we are now calling

Re: [biofuel] Dream Processor

2004-06-16 Thread fernand gauthier
Good morning , were are you located , I live in Northern Ontario and my wife and I own a small motel and I am very interested in your plan , I like to be able to convert my heating system to biofuel and use it for my Jetta . On 16-Jun-04, at 12:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if my

Re: [biofuel] Visit to Piedmont

2004-06-16 Thread fernand gauthier
I am from Northern Ontario and would like to may be visit your place depending were you are located , I am very interested in a small plan and to may be create a small coop Thank you Fern On 15-Jun-04, at 3:44 PM, steven mesibov wrote: Thanks, Lyle, (Piedmont BioFuels) for an excellent

Re: [biofuel] France and legislation

2004-06-16 Thread Curtis Sakima
Why?? Curtis Nothing says I love you like a bouquet of flowers! http://www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: Jerome Mathevet [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... since you can't produce your own electricity in France (you have to sell it to the state company instead).