Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
Thanks Gary, but I know, I've been writing about it for awhile. We're at the other end of it here in Japan, people we know are involved in it. It wasn't outside my thinking when I said just ignore them. Again, so what? For one thing, is that guy really saying they're going to export B5 to Japan and Europe? Not B100? They're going to ship the 95% petro-diesel too? I guess it wouldn't surprise me much if they got their carbon credits for that. >Give it all a scroot every now and then to see how they're getting >along with the fuel miles issue, for instance, among others. Europe is making serious cavilling noises about the ethical sourcing of biofuels, and Malaysia and Indonesia particularly are right in the cross-hairs. Planet Japan hasn't got a clue, as usual, but Japan does have it's Kyoto commitments and when economic realities start biting harder and harder they won't have any choice either. Whatever, it's not going to hold onto any green cred for long, and when it loses its carbon credits it'll get that much more expensive and the demand will drop. Then it could start getting hit with punitive taxes. How long is a set-up like this going to survive, say, the massive and skyrocketing costs of global warming damage payouts that the world insurance industry is getting so agitated about? They've got a hell of a stick to hit people with, this stuff just doesn't work without insurance, it'll really hurt when it gets more expensive. I think the insurance industry will start making life hard when it comes to insuring any activities which contribute to global warming, regardless of how risky they are in themselves, like destroying forests for instance. But the forests are being devastated in the meantime. But I first saw that there 25 years ago, also because of palm oil. Not to say there's no hurry, but have you got any better suggestions? On the other hand, a lot of the discarded tropical hardwood container pallets I was complaining about come from Malaysia. If you amble off to the local home centre here to buy some charcoal for your grill, here in Japan with all its forests and timber it doesn't know what to do with, and right in the middle of a forest area too, the charcoal you'll buy is allegedly eco-green mangrove charcoal shipped here 3,000 kilometers from Malaysia. How're the mangroves doing round there these days? Forest protection is absolutely a critical issue in its own right, big central palmoil biodiesel or not. Best Keith >On 12 Apr 2006, at 17:18, Keith Addison wrote: > >>I wonder though if maybe we should be >>regarding Big Central biofuels and what they do and think and the >>apocryphal rumours they spread > >This was major news in Malaysia today: > >Bio-fuel booster > >By STEPHEN THEN > >MIRI: MalaysiaÄôs B5 bio-fuel is set to take off in a big way as >several foreign companies want to set up refineries in the country. > >Companies and government agencies in leading industrialised >countries like Germany, Italy, Britain, Japan and South Korea want >to set up plants in the country to produce the fuel on a large >scale for their consumption. > >Plantation Industries and Commodities Minister Datuk Peter Chin Fah >Kui said at least 10 licences had already been approved by his >ministry and the Malaysian Industrial Development Authority (Mida) >for the setting up of bio-fuel plants which will cost at least >RM30mil each. > >ÄúOffers have come flooding in from private and government agencies >from Italy, Britain, Japan, Germany, South Korea, and Australia. > > >Ôøº >ÄúAll want to invest heavily to manufacture the B5 fuel on a big >scale in Malaysia and buy the bio-diesel for use in their home >countries. > >ÄúWe are also vetting through many more applications for the >setting up of bio-fuel plants in Malaysia. Even the states want to >set bio- fuel plants,Äù he added. > >MalaysiaÄôs bio-fuel, the Envo Diesel, was launched by Prime >Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on March 21. > >Chin, who said all the offers had been forwarded to Mida, stressed >that Malaysia would not rush to set up plants to produce the fuel, >which was made up of 5% palm oil derived diesel and 95% petroleum >derived diesel. > >It is now being used on a trial basis in ChinÄôs ministry, the >Defence Ministry, the Works Ministry and by Kuala Lumpur City Hall. > >ÄúThe use of B5 fuel is expected to save the Government about >500,000 tonnes of petroleum-derived diesel this year,Äù said Chin, >adding that the fuel was targeted for sale to the public next year. > >This is part of the Government's plan to increase usage of palm oil >as well as to reduce the country's dependency on fossil fuel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the com
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
Hi Darryl
>Keith, well done!
:-) Thankyou! Methinks 'tis nothing special though.
>Super stuff and great information in the on-going
>wars of words regarding home brew quality.
Yes, a major reason for doing it. At least it is just a war of words,
no DU and cluster bombs. I wonder though if maybe we should be
regarding Big Central biofuels and what they do and think and the
apocryphal rumours they spread about homebrewers even when it's
debunked and they turn out to be the culprits instead, and the way
lawmakers and bureaucrats automatically defer to them and take their
side of it, the whole thing, in the same way as I'm suggesting
Americans should regard their voting system and Congress and so on.
That is, disregard them. Along with the Pimentels and George Monbiots
and Mae-won Ho's et al while we're at it. What harm has Pimentel ever
done to independent local-level biofuel brewers? If he hurts the NBB
and ADM, well so what? Why not just ignore the guy?
As another list member said (who was it??), just go round them, build
their systems out and your own systems in and don't be too bothered.
Give it all a scroot every now and then to see how they're getting
along with the fuel miles issue, for instance, among others.
>For my own clarification, all these tests were on acid-base process
>batches, correct?
Yes.
>Any chance of getting similar testing done on
>single-stage base method, just for comparison purposes?
Not much chance with this current set-up. I have to use it sparingly,
and it has to be a useful part of what we're researching. Changing
the process wouldn't have any bearing on that and I couldn't offer
any rationale for it.
All best
Keith
>Darryl
>
>Keith Addison wrote:
> > Greetings all
> >
> > I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research
> > collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel
> > projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business
> > partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese
> > technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's
> > chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in
> > Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
> >
> > They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our
> > normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff.
> > The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very
> > clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do
> > we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
> >
> > Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU
> > standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
> >
> > So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the
> > Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
> >
> > It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content,
> > both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU
> > standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a
> > good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot,
> > and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
> >
> > This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all
> > warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable
> > problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the
> > acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn
> > the basics first.
> >
> > Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it
> > easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the
> > process. There are more controls you can use.
> >
> > We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three
> > production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures
> > show a curve.
> >
> > 21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
> >
> > 10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2
> > Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
> >
> > Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
> >
> > Ester content (% mass)
> > EN 14214: >96.5
> > 1st test: 98.5
> > #1 Biodiesel: 98.49
> > #2 Biodiesel: 98.73
> > #4 Biodiesel: 99.09
> >
> > Monoglyceride (% mass)
> > EN 14214: <0.8
> > 1st test: 0.93
> > #1 Biodiesel: 0.77
> > #2 Biodiesel: 0.65
> > #4 Biodiesel: 0.62
> >
> > Diglyceride (% mass)
> > EN 14214: <0.2
> > 1st test: 0.57
> > #1 Biodiesel: 0.74
> > #2 Biodiesel: 0.61
> > #4 Biodiesel: 0.28
> >
> > Triglyceride (% mass)
> > EN 14214: <0.2
> > 1st test: 0
> > #1 Biodiesel: 0
> > #2 Biodiesel: 0
> > #4 Biodiesel: 0
> >
> > Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well
> > within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
> >
> > We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I
> > just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will
> > vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me mu
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
Thanks again Keith,
I had great confidence in the tests at JtF before but even more now. I
make them all a routine part of processing - when I have oil. That
problem is starting to work out so today the future is not as black as
yesterday. I also would like to say thanks for the organic gardening
and composting side of JtF. My compost is really something this spring
- My Garden will now have a foot of soil for planting!
Thanks,
Jim
Keith Addison wrote:
>Greetings all
>
>I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research
>collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel
>projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business
>partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese
>technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's
>chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in
>Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
>
>They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our
>normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff.
>The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very
>clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do
>we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
>
>Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU
>standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
>
>So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the
>Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
>
>It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content,
>both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU
>standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a
>good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot,
>and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
>
>This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all
>warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable
>problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the
>acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn
>the basics first.
>
>Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it
>easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the
>process. There are more controls you can use.
>
>We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three
>production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures
>show a curve.
>
>21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
>
>10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2
>Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
>
>Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
>
>Ester content (% mass)
>EN 14214: >96.5
>1st test: 98.5
>#1 Biodiesel: 98.49
>#2 Biodiesel: 98.73
>#4 Biodiesel: 99.09
>
>Monoglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.8
>1st test: 0.93
>#1 Biodiesel: 0.77
>#2 Biodiesel: 0.65
>#4 Biodiesel: 0.62
>
>Diglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.2
>1st test: 0.57
>#1 Biodiesel: 0.74
>#2 Biodiesel: 0.61
>#4 Biodiesel: 0.28
>
>Triglyceride (% mass)
>EN 14214: <0.2
>1st test: 0
>#1 Biodiesel: 0
>#2 Biodiesel: 0
>#4 Biodiesel: 0
>
>Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well
>within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
>
>We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I
>just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will
>vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.
>
>I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to
>the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above
>spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the
>second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But
>it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these
>variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here
>any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs
>US$6,000.
>
>Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo
>kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality
>product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to
>go.
>
>The tests are here, by the way:
>
>Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
>
>And the how-to:
>
>Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
Keith, well done! Super stuff and great information in the on-going
wars of words regarding home brew quality.
For my own clarification, all these tests were on acid-base process
batches, correct? Any chance of getting similar testing done on
single-stage base method, just for comparison purposes?
Darryl
Keith Addison wrote:
> Greetings all
>
> I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research
> collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel
> projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business
> partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese
> technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's
> chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in
> Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
>
> They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our
> normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff.
> The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very
> clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do
> we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
>
> Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU
> standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
>
> So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the
> Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
>
> It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content,
> both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU
> standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a
> good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot,
> and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
>
> This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all
> warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable
> problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the
> acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn
> the basics first.
>
> Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it
> easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the
> process. There are more controls you can use.
>
> We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three
> production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures
> show a curve.
>
> 21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
>
> 10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2
> Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
>
> Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
>
> Ester content (% mass)
> EN 14214: >96.5
> 1st test: 98.5
> #1 Biodiesel: 98.49
> #2 Biodiesel: 98.73
> #4 Biodiesel: 99.09
>
> Monoglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.8
> 1st test: 0.93
> #1 Biodiesel: 0.77
> #2 Biodiesel: 0.65
> #4 Biodiesel: 0.62
>
> Diglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.2
> 1st test: 0.57
> #1 Biodiesel: 0.74
> #2 Biodiesel: 0.61
> #4 Biodiesel: 0.28
>
> Triglyceride (% mass)
> EN 14214: <0.2
> 1st test: 0
> #1 Biodiesel: 0
> #2 Biodiesel: 0
> #4 Biodiesel: 0
>
> Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well
> within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
>
> We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I
> just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will
> vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.
>
> I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to
> the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above
> spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the
> second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But
> it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these
> variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here
> any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs
> US$6,000.
>
> Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo
> kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality
> product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to
> go.
>
> The tests are here, by the way:
>
> Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
>
> And the how-to:
>
> Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Biofuel] Biodiesel test results
Greetings all
I mentioned a few months ago that we're doing some research
collaboration with a local biofuels company here. They have biodiesel
projects running in Japan and Southeast Asia, along with a business
partnership with the chemistry professor at a major Japanese
technical university in Tokyo. So we get access to the university's
chemistry department GC, the Gas Chromatograph ("gaskro" in
Japanese), to test our biodiesel, among other things.
They ran the first test for us last October, of a sample of our
normal full-scale production run WVO biodiesel, not test-batch stuff.
The chemistry department's comment on the report sheet was "Very
clean biodiesel!" The cleanest they'd seen, they said later - how do
we make such good biodiesel from WVO?
Anyway, it showed an ester content of 98.5%, compared with the EU
standard requirement of minimum 96.5%, very good completion.
So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the
Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing.
It's very close, but not perfect - despite the high ester content,
both the monoglyceride and diglyceride levels were higher than the EU
standards specify. Completion is the crucial factor, and with such a
good completion rate the excess MGs and DGs didn't bother me a lot,
and it could easily be adjusted anyway.
This is an advantage of acid-base processing. Not for novices! we all
warn - unless you know what you're at, when you hit that inevitable
problem batch you'll be thrown by all the extra variables in the
acid-base process and you won't know how to troubleshoot it. So learn
the basics first.
Truly. But when you do know the basics, all those variables make it
easy to identify where a problem lies and very easy to fine-tune the
process. There are more controls you can use.
We just got the results of a further series of GC tests of three
production-run samples which demonstrate this quite well. The figures
show a curve.
21 Oct 2005 - Handmade Projects biodiesel 1st test results
10 April 2006 - Results of Handmade Projects samples #1 Biodiesel, #2
Biodiesel, #4 Biodiesel (sample #3 was not biodiesel)
Standard - European biodiesel standard EN 14214 of 2003.
Ester content (% mass)
EN 14214: >96.5
1st test: 98.5
#1 Biodiesel: 98.49
#2 Biodiesel: 98.73
#4 Biodiesel: 99.09
Monoglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.8
1st test: 0.93
#1 Biodiesel: 0.77
#2 Biodiesel: 0.65
#4 Biodiesel: 0.62
Diglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.2
1st test: 0.57
#1 Biodiesel: 0.74
#2 Biodiesel: 0.61
#4 Biodiesel: 0.28
Triglyceride (% mass)
EN 14214: <0.2
1st test: 0
#1 Biodiesel: 0
#2 Biodiesel: 0
#4 Biodiesel: 0
Sample #4 has very good completion and the MG level is now well
within spec, but the DG level is still 0.08% too high.
We'd planned a further two tests and we'll go ahead with those now (I
just ran the batch for the first sample today). These tests will
vanish that excess 0.08% of DGs, and teach me much besides.
I wouldn't have done all this if I didn't have such good access to
the gaskro. If someone had told me we had good completion, well above
spec, but the MGs and DGs were too high I'd have gone straight to the
second of the two tests I'm doing now and fixed it in one step. But
it's great to be able to get such accurate confirmation of how these
variables work. We'd never be able to afford these gaskro tests here
any other way, testing just one sample at commercial lab rates costs
US$6,000.
Anyway, it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo
kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality
product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to
go.
The tests are here, by the way:
Biodiesel and your vehicle: Quality testing
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
And the how-to:
Make your own biodiesel: "Where do I start?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
Best
Keith
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