Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics and Biofuels

2003-03-01 Thread Hakan Falk


Hi Greg B,

At 08:26 PM 2/28/2003 +, you wrote:
Hakan,
Thanks for the kind words. I suffered from the incorrect assumption
that most of the folks here are Americans. I have now been educated.
I am as susceptible to the temptation to discriminate as anyone,
perhaps more so since I am American.

This is one of the fields were Americans do not have monopoly or more 
skilled in. It is human nature and instinct that are the basis for 
discrimination.

I try not to discriminate, and I
try hard to see others points of view. I have found that no matter
how much I disagree with certain opinions voiced here and elsewhere,
there is certainly some degree of truth in them for me to consider.

My reference to calling someone stupid was in response to something I
read here to the effect that our president, G.W. Bush is stupid due
to the excessive amounts of diet soda he drinks and the associated
physiological effects of the aspartame contained in it.

Do not worry, I glanced at that discussion and it was in my eyes jokes. Did 
not read much of it, but I do not think that it was seriously offensive, 
only that the participants let loose a bit.

But it brings me to a point that I want to make and this is communication 
between people with different languages. Dictionaries or even years of 
education in a language, does not really give the sense for values of words 
in respective language. If you communicate with a foreigner  in your native 
language, you must also put in some efforts into understanding also. The 
word stupid is a good sample of this,

In Swedish we use often the word dum in context as don't be crazy 
(silly), often used in debates and not regarded as very offensive. In the 
dictionary the word dum is stupid. This is the same in several languages 
other languages. It is few things that make an American or English more 
upset than be called stupid. On the other hand it is few things that make a 
foreigner more upset than if you call him crazy or silly, which in his 
language refers to mental sickness.

If you look at it, it is many problems with values of words and I would not 
be surprised if it started many deeply rooted conflicts, or failures to end 
them in a civilized way.

Hakan

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Greg

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[biofuel] Re: Politics and Biofuels

2003-02-28 Thread Greg Birky [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hakan,
Thanks for the kind words. I suffered from the incorrect assumption 
that most of the folks here are Americans. I have now been educated. 
I am as susceptible to the temptation to discriminate as anyone, 
perhaps more so since I am American. I try not to discriminate, and I 
try hard to see others points of view. I have found that no matter 
how much I disagree with certain opinions voiced here and elsewhere, 
there is certainly some degree of truth in them for me to consider.

My reference to calling someone stupid was in response to something I 
read here to the effect that our president, G.W. Bush is stupid due 
to the excessive amounts of diet soda he drinks and the associated 
physiological effects of the aspartame contained in it. Or at least I 
thought that's what I read. Looking back through the posts, I cannot 
find that particular statement - so maybe I misunderstood. (But there 
is the problem - I cannot easily search through these posts to find 
that reference.) The statement wasn't referring to anyone here as 
stupid, but I do not believe that GW Bush is stupid. There appear to 
be those here who do, primarily it seems because they disagree with 
his policies. My point was, that while I disagreed with almost every 
policy and decision made by former President Clinton, I don't believe 
he is stupid. Referring to someone as stupid because you disagree 
with their opinions and policies is discrimination in my mind. I 
think it is quite difficult to become the president of the USA 
without being intelligent.

As for e-mail - the only reliable e-mail I have is at work and is 
mainframe computer based. It cannot handle the volume of messages 
generated by this discussion group. My only access is online - which 
is painfully slow.

Greg

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dear Greg Birky,
 
 The only time I know of somebody called something stupid it
 was me and about Dom Amato's discriminating view of
 immigrants. I was upset and as I said, I do not normally use
 this word. I stand for my opinion  and if you want hear that
 word again, just express a similar view that contains
 racism or other discrimination and I will repeat it. Judging your
 balanced posting, I think it will be hard for you to do.
 
 Education and ignorance have nothing to do with discrimination,
 on the contrary, it is often something that you hear from people
 that regard themselves as educated and superior.
 
 I think that you are right, you came in at an atypical time, a very
 unique situation in the normal discussions on the board.
 
 Hakan




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