Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Well, like I briefly mentioned in the original post, in my case, the 42.4 mpg (US gal) figure includes extended stretches of 80+ cruising on hilly uncrowded US interstates as well as a somewhat aggressive 70-75 in traffic. Steve, I suspect you drive a little more sedately? Moreover, I've read that the TDI don't hit their stride mileage-wise until 20k miles so we'll see about that. As was recently mentioned on tdiclub.com, 80 mph vs. 65 mph cost some TDI owners around 14 mpg. But put another way, how many cars get average 80 mph and still get in the 40s? And to think that I used to be happy with my much less peppy gasoline powered Honda Civic that got 33 mpg. (For our non-north american friends: 42.4 mpg (US) = 51 mpg (imp) = 5.5L/100km) Anyway, like I said, I'm going to try to document the changes from both boosting tire pressure and running BD. I'll keep everyone posted. -John '03 VW Jetta TDI 5-speed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have a manual TDI. I average 45 and do get almost 50 on the highway. I have >never gotten more than 50 however. > >"Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Not so, >> >>50+ is usually only attained by the manual transmission (which is hard to >>find.) The automatics get in the low 40s. Also, to get 50+ even with a >>manual you have to drive a steady pace below 65 MPH. >> >>Check out www.tdiclub.com for more. >> >>--Ryan >>'02 VW Golf TDI 5-speed >> >>>I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for >>>about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 >>>tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including >>>aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the >>>rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the >>>car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized >>>fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my >>>next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm >>>running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, >>>and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
We have a manual shift, and maintain 50mpg on vegetable oil on highway (interstate) driving. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" > Not so, > > 50+ is usually only attained by the manual transmission (which is hard to > find.) The automatics get in the low 40s. Also, to get 50+ even with a > manual you have to drive a steady pace below 65 MPH. > > Check out www.tdiclub.com for more. > > --Ryan > '02 VW Golf TDI 5-speed > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:05 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. > but not "all" > > > Depending on the year Jetta TDI, you should be getting over 50mpg. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message - > From: "John E Hayes III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but > not "all" > > > > aegent wrote: > > > > >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For > > >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to > > >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I > > >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my > > >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car > > >options that fit my criteria. > > > > > > > I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for > > about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 > > tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including > > aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the > > rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the > > car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized > > fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my > > next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm > > running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, > > and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Not so, 50+ is usually only attained by the manual transmission (which is hard to find.) The automatics get in the low 40s. Also, to get 50+ even with a manual you have to drive a steady pace below 65 MPH. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more. --Ryan '02 VW Golf TDI 5-speed -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" Depending on the year Jetta TDI, you should be getting over 50mpg. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "John E Hayes III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" > aegent wrote: > > >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For > >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to > >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I > >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my > >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car > >options that fit my criteria. > > > > I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for > about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 > tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including > aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the > rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the > car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized > fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my > next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm > running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, > and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. > > John > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Hello Juan Nice to hear from you! >Hello Keith > >As you wrote many Japanese vehicles are exported second hand, I've been wondering if there's anywhere they aren't exported to. I thought at first it was mainly to Southeast Asian countries, and a few other 3rd World countries, but most or all of the OECD countries also get them, and the former Eastern bloc countries. It's a slick operation, probably very profitable - once they're more than 10 years old they're very cheap to buy here, but the paperwork is VERY expensive: the older the car, the more expensive it is to own it. I guess that none of that paperwork is necessary if you're exporting them, so the buying costs would be very low, transport isn't that much, and the selling prices can be very reasonable and still include a healthy profit. After we'd haggled the price down quite a lot on our Town-Ace, the guy said he couldn't go any lower because that's what the paperwork would cost. We didn't quite believe him, but it's possible the car was free, we just paid for the paper. He needed to get it off his hands. >the Town-Ace >is a common one here in Paraguay (a Spanish speaking country) the 4WD or >2WD with diesel engines, the reason is that diesel fuel is cheaper than >gasoline here. Here there are more Toyota Hi-Ace, old gasoline powered, >then came the diesel engines in newer ones and the larger Previa is rare >because it was usually imported with gas engines. That sounds familiar. >Many Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD were imported directly from Japan, second-hand, >via the Iquique Port in Chile. The brand name for Spanish speaking >countries is Montero 4WD. Oh, is it the same? I'd heard of Monteros in Mexico. >The meaning for Montero is something or someone >that grew up or lives in mountains or it is a hunter and the meaning for >Pajero is someone that sells 'paja' or a straw-dealer in English. More >often Pajero is referred as well around here to a 'w_nk_r'. :-) >I do not understand how Japanese car companies marketing departments put >different brand names for the same product in different markets that it >suppose to be global, just some examples: They do cater for particular markets with new car exports. Maybe it's a market-research (?) offshoot of that - or maybe they just really like all these weird names! There are MANY cars that are never seen outside Japan, new or second-hand. Whole types and classes of cars, not just models. It's interesting. >Toyota 'Corsa' (corsican in spanish) = Toyota Corolla >Mazda 'Familia' (family in spanish) = Mazda 323 >Mazda Capella (small chapell in italian I think) = Mazda 626 >Nissan 'Safari' (hunting trip in spanish) = Nissan Patrol > >Best Regards And to you Juan. Keith >Juan > > >Didn't they call the early one the Previa too? > >Dunno - depends where in the world you were at the time maybe. > > >--- In [email protected], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini > >van". it > > > >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the > >sienna. > > > >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html > > > > > > Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also > > > Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember > > > a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV > > > and a Brazilian member told him what it meant? > > > > > > >Our 94 diesel Pajero... > > > > > > > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is > >what in > > > >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in > >what is > > > >supposed to be a 'global' product > > > > > > :-) > > > >I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman > >found out the hard way. > >They do speak Portuguese in Brazil, but many of them also speak >English and Spanish. IIRC this man was a Brazilian who'd lived and >worked in the US and Europe and now divided his time between Uruguay >and Argentina. > > > > D'you think I should tell them? > > > > > > Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a > > > camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back > > > and you can get a big load of stuff in there. > > > > > > That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard > > > to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space > > > inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here. > > > > > > How about this? - > > > > > > >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to > > > >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current > > > >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three, > > > >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info > > > >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can > > > >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
We have Mitsubishi Montero up here in the USA, and used to have a Chrysler version (Raider). I had the Mitsubishi Expo (Dodge Colt Vista). No diesel version, sorry to say. 7 passenger Mini-Wagon. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Juan Boveda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" > Hello Keith > > As you wrote many Japanese vehicles are exported second hand, the Town-Ace > is a common one here in Paraguay (a Spanish speaking country) the 4WD or > 2WD with diesel engines, the reason is that diesel fuel is cheaper than > gasoline here. Here there are more Toyota Hi-Ace, old gasoline powered, > then came the diesel engines in newer ones and the larger Previa is rare > because it was usually imported with gas engines. > > Many Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD were imported directly from Japan, second-hand, > via the Iquique Port in Chile. The brand name for Spanish speaking > countries is Montero 4WD. The meaning for Montero is something or someone > that grew up or lives in mountains or it is a hunter and the meaning for > Pajero is someone that sells 'paja' or a straw-dealer in English. More > often Pajero is referred as well around here to a 'w_nk_r'. > > I do not understand how Japanese car companies marketing departments put > different brand names for the same product in different markets that it > suppose to be global, just some examples: > > Toyota 'Corsa' (corsican in spanish) = Toyota Corolla > Mazda 'Familia' (family in spanish) = Mazda 323 > Mazda Capella (small chapell in italian I think) = Mazda 626 > Nissan 'Safari' (hunting trip in spanish) = Nissan Patrol > > Best Regards > > Juan > > >Didn't they call the early one the Previa too? > > Dunno - depends where in the world you were at the time maybe. > > >--- In [email protected], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini > >van". it > > > >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the > >sienna. > > > >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html > > > > > > Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also > > > Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember > > > a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV > > > and a Brazilian member told him what it meant? > > > > > > >Our 94 diesel Pajero... > > > > > > > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is > >what in > > > >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in > >what is > > > >supposed to be a 'global' product > > > > > > :-) > > > >I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman > >found out the hard way. > > They do speak Portuguese in Brazil, but many of them also speak > English and Spanish. IIRC this man was a Brazilian who'd lived and > worked in the US and Europe and now divided his time between Uruguay > and Argentina. > > > > D'you think I should tell them? > > > > > > Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a > > > camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back > > > and you can get a big load of stuff in there. > > > > > > That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard > > > to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space > > > inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here. > > > > > > How about this? - > > > > > > >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to > > > >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current > > > >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three, > > > >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info > > > >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can > > > >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003 > > > >Toyota or Honda model. > > > http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm > >
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Depending on the year Jetta TDI, you should be getting over 50mpg. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "John E Hayes III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" > aegent wrote: > > >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For > >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to > >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I > >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my > >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car > >options that fit my criteria. > > > > I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for > about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 > tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including > aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the > rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the > car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized > fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my > next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm > running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, > and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. > > John > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Hello Keith As you wrote many Japanese vehicles are exported second hand, the Town-Ace is a common one here in Paraguay (a Spanish speaking country) the 4WD or 2WD with diesel engines, the reason is that diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline here. Here there are more Toyota Hi-Ace, old gasoline powered, then came the diesel engines in newer ones and the larger Previa is rare because it was usually imported with gas engines. Many Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD were imported directly from Japan, second-hand, via the Iquique Port in Chile. The brand name for Spanish speaking countries is Montero 4WD. The meaning for Montero is something or someone that grew up or lives in mountains or it is a hunter and the meaning for Pajero is someone that sells 'paja' or a straw-dealer in English. More often Pajero is referred as well around here to a 'w_nk_r'. I do not understand how Japanese car companies marketing departments put different brand names for the same product in different markets that it suppose to be global, just some examples: Toyota 'Corsa' (corsican in spanish) = Toyota Corolla Mazda 'Familia' (family in spanish) = Mazda 323 Mazda Capella (small chapell in italian I think) = Mazda 626 Nissan 'Safari' (hunting trip in spanish) = Nissan Patrol Best Regards Juan >Didn't they call the early one the Previa too? Dunno - depends where in the world you were at the time maybe. >--- In [email protected], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini >van". it > > >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the >sienna. > > >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html > > > > Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also > > Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember > > a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV > > and a Brazilian member told him what it meant? > > > > >Our 94 diesel Pajero... > > > > > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is >what in > > >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in >what is > > >supposed to be a 'global' product > > > > :-) > >I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman >found out the hard way. They do speak Portuguese in Brazil, but many of them also speak English and Spanish. IIRC this man was a Brazilian who'd lived and worked in the US and Europe and now divided his time between Uruguay and Argentina. > > D'you think I should tell them? > > > > Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a > > camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back > > and you can get a big load of stuff in there. > > > > That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard > > to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space > > inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here. > > > > How about this? - > > > > >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to > > >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current > > >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three, > > >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info > > >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can > > >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003 > > >Toyota or Honda model. > > http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm > > > > Interesting stats. > > > >Yes but what do they mean? Is -0.63 a big reliability difference or is >-6.3 or -63.0? Seems clear enough to me. Confirms other reports we've had (archives) about much higher quality control by the Japanese auto companies in the US than the Big Three. Keith >The comment "Second, there is no evident need to >improve." seems to mean fron context that the sales do not dictate a >need for improvement but it also may mean that the differences are not >that severe. > >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car >options that fit my criteria. > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > > >td Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe,
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
aegent wrote: >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car >options that fit my criteria. > I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
aegent wrote: > > Hey Motie, > > > > I like it! Can we get it in the Xtreme games next year? > > > > And, I don't want to see any of those wimpy nerf computers or SUVs > > used either. > LOL! It's already on TV in several different formats, usually > involving cameras mounted in Police Cars and/or Helicopters. > > Motie I don't know how true this is but the USA Fox 24 hour news channel televises this regularly. __ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
>That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini van". it >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the sienna. >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV and a Brazilian member told him what it meant? >Our 94 diesel Pajero... > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is what in >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in what is >supposed to be a 'global' product :-) D'you think I should tell them? Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back and you can get a big load of stuff in there. That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here. How about this? - >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three, >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003 >Toyota or Honda model. http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm Interesting stats. Best Keith >Steve Spence >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: >http://www.green-trust.org >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:41 AM >Subject: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not >"all" > > > > Hi again Tony > > > > >Keith, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever, it's a recent term, not nearly as old as 4WD vehicles are. > > > > Older than online (or at least than the Web) but less than 20 years > > > > I'd say, and an American term, not in general world use even now. > > > > > >I think so. When I was in Nice a couple of years back I was discussing > > >cars with a couple from the London area. They were tellig me of the > > >woes of their Estate car. I waited and asked later "whats an estate > > >car?" :-) > > > > Right. Do you call them station wagons? Do you know what a "ute" is? > > Or a "bakkie" (pron. buckie)? Or a "technical"? All the same thing, > > in Australia, South Africa and Somalia respectively - a pickup, I > > think you call it. (The Somali version mounts a machine-gun.) Do you > > know what "jeep" used to mean? > > > > > > Called a Town-Ace in the US. Picture here: > > > > http://www.us-autosales.com/townacel.htm > > > > US Auto - Honda Town Ace Lite > > > > > > > > Wow, "$3,800 - $6,500 Depending on model year and options." :-) > > > > > >Is that good or bad? > > > > I said we paid US$1,250, mostly for the paperwork, actual cost > > probably about $100. > > > > > > Higher clearance than it looks in this picture, by the way. The > > > > Hi-Ace is similar but bigger, and the original model - the first > > > > Hi-Aces were made in the late 60s I think. Current Hi-Aces have > > > > 3-litre turbo diesels and full-time 4x4. Too big for us - rural > > > > access roads in Japan are small, tight spaces. > > > > > >Looks like an older Toyota minivan > > > > What's a minivan? Here in Japan that's not a minivan, a minivan is > > about a quarter that size but they don't call it that. > > > > >with a higher roofline. This is the > > >first one I've ever seen. Oh, look at the steering wheel, its on the > > >right side. Wonder where this one came from. > > > > Japan, second-hand export. There aren't any older vehicles here, too > > expensive to own them, so people buy them up cheap and export them > > all over the world. > > > > >Now this is a Diesel or I guess the one you have is a Diesel? > > > > > > >1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel, we're getting more than 40 mpg. > > > > > > > > > > > >Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they > > > > >stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators >are > > > > >always saying dumb things that catch on. > > > > If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. > > > > > > > > > >Could be, I just think of all the goofy sports terms that people use > > >and that concept comes to mind. > > > > Oh, sports! Well... What sport do they use Sport Utility Vehicles in? > > > > Best > > > > Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more.
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini van". it was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the sienna. http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all" > Hi again Tony > > >Keith, > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever, it's a recent term, not nearly as old as 4WD vehicles are. > > > Older than online (or at least than the Web) but less than 20 years > > > I'd say, and an American term, not in general world use even now. > > > >I think so. When I was in Nice a couple of years back I was discussing > >cars with a couple from the London area. They were tellig me of the > >woes of their Estate car. I waited and asked later "whats an estate > >car?" :-) > > Right. Do you call them station wagons? Do you know what a "ute" is? > Or a "bakkie" (pron. buckie)? Or a "technical"? All the same thing, > in Australia, South Africa and Somalia respectively - a pickup, I > think you call it. (The Somali version mounts a machine-gun.) Do you > know what "jeep" used to mean? > > > > Called a Town-Ace in the US. Picture here: > > > http://www.us-autosales.com/townacel.htm > > > US Auto - Honda Town Ace Lite > > > > > > Wow, "$3,800 - $6,500 Depending on model year and options." :-) > > > >Is that good or bad? > > I said we paid US$1,250, mostly for the paperwork, actual cost > probably about $100. > > > > Higher clearance than it looks in this picture, by the way. The > > > Hi-Ace is similar but bigger, and the original model - the first > > > Hi-Aces were made in the late 60s I think. Current Hi-Aces have > > > 3-litre turbo diesels and full-time 4x4. Too big for us - rural > > > access roads in Japan are small, tight spaces. > > > >Looks like an older Toyota minivan > > What's a minivan? Here in Japan that's not a minivan, a minivan is > about a quarter that size but they don't call it that. > > >with a higher roofline. This is the > >first one I've ever seen. Oh, look at the steering wheel, its on the > >right side. Wonder where this one came from. > > Japan, second-hand export. There aren't any older vehicles here, too > expensive to own them, so people buy them up cheap and export them > all over the world. > > >Now this is a Diesel or I guess the one you have is a Diesel? > > > > >1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel, we're getting more than 40 mpg. > > > > > > > >Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they > > > >stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators are > > > >always saying dumb things that catch on. > > > If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. > > > > > > >Could be, I just think of all the goofy sports terms that people use > >and that concept comes to mind. > > Oh, sports! Well... What sport do they use Sport Utility Vehicles in? > > Best > > Keith > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
Sport Utility Vehicle..."Neither sporty, nor utilitarian" as a prof. of mine once said... Ed On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > Hi Tony > >> Hey Kieth, >> >> --- In [email protected], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi Tony >>> Curtis, Check me if I'm wrong but I've been over to Journeytoforever.org and I believe that Kieth does indeed drive an SUV. He of course does fuel it with buidiesel and that does make a difference. >>> >>> We'd never heard of SUVs. We thought they were 4x4s, or 4WDs. Same >>> Series Land Rovers that Jean-Leon was just talking about, though not >>> quite as old as his (not that that makes any difference). And indeed >>> they spent much of their time off-road, doing what they were built >>> for - and that's work, not fun. Again to quote Jean-Leon: >>> A real working vehicle is not an SUV - I consider real trucks UVs. >> >> hard to say where the SUV term came from , maybe marketing, maybe >> someone online, you know how that goes. > > Whatever, it's a recent term, not nearly as old as 4WD vehicles are. > Older than online (or at least than the Web) but less than 20 years > I'd say, and an American term, not in general world use even now. > >> They used to all be real >> workhorses but I'm afraid I don't see taking an $80,000 USD SUV off >> roading. Now an old Ford Bronco could really go off road. >> >>> Right. >>> >>> Anyway, one was a diesel, which ran on biodiesel, the other gasoline, >>> which we'd planned to run on ethanol. We do have a fuel ethanol >>> still, but it's not what it's claimed to be and the search for a real >>> fuel still proved elusive. Very. Could be some news on that soon >>> though. But we never got to run it on ethanol. >>> >>> Much as we loved them, we sold them both a while back. They were >>> great for our learning curve but as our project developed we realized >>> they weren't what we needed. No need for real workhorses yet though, >>> we won't be leaving until winter at least, and it shouldn't be a >>> problem then. Meanwhile we're getting involved in various rural >>> projects here in and around this village, as planned, but again we >>> don't need an SUV, nor a real UV workhorse either - we're using the >>> Toyota I was telling Curtis about: >> >> >> Whats a Town Ace? Is it like a Corolla or more like a Tocoma (Don't >> know what the names are there, the marketers are really world wide :-) > > Called a Town-Ace in the US. Picture here: > http://www.us-autosales.com/townacel.htm > US Auto - Honda Town Ace Lite > > Wow, "$3,800 - $6,500 Depending on model year and options." :-) > > Higher clearance than it looks in this picture, by the way. The > Hi-Ace is similar but bigger, and the original model - the first > Hi-Aces were made in the late 60s I think. Current Hi-Aces have > 3-litre turbo diesels and full-time 4x4. Too big for us - rural > access roads in Japan are small, tight spaces. > Our Toyota Town-Ace turbo van is a 4x4, and it's serious, not just a toy. Too busy to really put it through its paces off-road very much yet, coming soon - plenty of great off-road tracks here, and in places we need to go to. Maybe you noticed Ed trying to get us to give it to him? LOL! Sorry Ed! Aleks Kac's an avid off-roader, there are a couple of these Town-Aces in his club, and he says "I have seen them embarrass quite a few 'purebred' 4WDs on muddy hills." 1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel, we're getting more than 40 mpg. >>> >>> The Town-Ace is great! We're really impressed with it, and it's >>> perfect for what we're doing here. In fact we're thinking of taking >>> it with us too, as well as a couple of workhorses. >>> >>> Good buy it was - it's in fine condition, 72,000 miles, which would >>> be genuine. Cost equiv US$1,250. Actually it probably cost about $100 >>> (seriously) - the rest is for the onerous supply of highly expensive >>> paperwork required in Japan, which finally makes owning older cars >>> prohibitive. This one was just on the balance where you win both >>> ways, very good price. >>> >>> Anyway, I can't imagine why I'd ever want an SUV - I don't mean the >>> exceptions, I mean the fashion-statement behemoths that aren't UVs at >>> all. >>> >>> I asked before, by the way, does anybody know where the term SUV >> comes from? >> >> Impossible to tell. Could be marketers but they usually, are really >> not that creative. > > I don't think I agree with that. I've worked with a lot of marketing > and advertising people in different ways. One of my complaints about > advertising is that it buys off so many creative people who could and > should be doing better and more useful things. > >> Names get created like BioDiesel and sometimes they >> stick. Some names don't. Could be a television thing, commentators are >> always saying dumb things that catch on. > > If it catches on then maybe it wasn't dumb. > > Best > > Keith > > >> The
Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"
I prefer the term "enclosed truck that seats many" as that is exactly what my UV does. Right now it has 12 LMR 400 spools in the back and some various 5 gal buckets, and also some recycling I need to take in. ;-) But then again, I walked to work so the air stays cleaner (and me healthier). James Slayden On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Keith Addison wrote: > Hi Tony > > >Curtis, > > > >Check me if I'm wrong but I've been over to Journeytoforever.org and I > > believe that Kieth does indeed drive an SUV. He of course does fuel > >it with buidiesel and that does make a difference. > > We'd never heard of SUVs. We thought they were 4x4s, or 4WDs. Same > Series Land Rovers that Jean-Leon was just talking about, though not > quite as old as his (not that that makes any difference). And indeed > they spent much of their time off-road, doing what they were built > for - and that's work, not fun. Again to quote Jean-Leon: > > >A real working vehicle is not an SUV - I consider real trucks UVs. > > Right. > > Anyway, one was a diesel, which ran on biodiesel, the other gasoline, > which we'd planned to run on ethanol. We do have a fuel ethanol > still, but it's not what it's claimed to be and the search for a real > fuel still proved elusive. Very. Could be some news on that soon > though. But we never got to run it on ethanol. > > Much as we loved them, we sold them both a while back. They were > great for our learning curve but as our project developed we realized > they weren't what we needed. No need for real workhorses yet though, > we won't be leaving until winter at least, and it shouldn't be a > problem then. Meanwhile we're getting involved in various rural > projects here in and around this village, as planned, but again we > don't need an SUV, nor a real UV workhorse either - we're using the > Toyota I was telling Curtis about: > > >Our Toyota Town-Ace turbo van is a 4x4, and it's serious, not just a > >toy. Too busy to really put it through its paces off-road very much > >yet, coming soon - plenty of great off-road tracks here, and in > >places we need to go to. Maybe you noticed Ed trying to get us to > >give it to him? LOL! Sorry Ed! Aleks Kac's an avid off-roader, there > >are a couple of these Town-Aces in his club, and he says "I have > >seen them embarrass quite a few 'purebred' 4WDs on muddy hills." > >1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel, we're getting more than 40 mpg. > > The Town-Ace is great! We're really impressed with it, and it's > perfect for what we're doing here. In fact we're thinking of taking > it with us too, as well as a couple of workhorses. > > Good buy it was - it's in fine condition, 72,000 miles, which would > be genuine. Cost equiv US$1,250. Actually it probably cost about $100 > (seriously) - the rest is for the onerous supply of highly expensive > paperwork required in Japan, which finally makes owning older cars > prohibitive. This one was just on the balance where you win both > ways, very good price. > > Anyway, I can't imagine why I'd ever want an SUV - I don't mean the > exceptions, I mean the fashion-statement behemoths that aren't UVs at > all. > > I asked before, by the way, does anybody know where the term SUV comes > from? > > Best wishes > > Keith > > >In the US more and more SUVs are actually being built on minivan > >(these are full size vans outside the USA) chasis. This should improve > >fuel economy some and safety as well as they will not be so top-heavy > >or even quite so heavy (safety of the cars they hit). > > > >The personal liberty issue is an important one and I share your fears. > > The basis of personal liberty is personal responsibility and I see a > >great erosion of both in the US. OTOH is is very hard to make good and > >responsible decisions when there is so much misinformation from all > >directions. > > > >Due to some very bad diesels sold in the US in the 1980s the country > >is afraid of them. I studied diesels, worked on them, and really like > >them but there are no viable diesels sold in America today that meet > >my criteria. I used to have a Mercury Topaz diesel and that was a > >wonderful car but it is no longer on the market and its replacement is > >not available with diesel. > > > >Regards > >Tony Dean > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
