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Re: [Biofuel] diesel generator

2008-01-02 Thread Zeke Yewdall

Yeah.  If you use an inverter setup, you can run the generator full
out, which is generally more efficient than at low load, and avoids
wet stacking though if you are doing heat recovery from the
exhaust, you are intentionally inducing wet stacking -- hopefully just
not in the valve seats...  Just make sure the acid doesn't drain back
from whatever stainless steel heat exchanger, back into the engine.
You can do three phase with inverters, but it requires three inverters
-- a minimum of about 10kW.  For 120/240, you can get as small as 4kW
now.

Z

On Jan 2, 2008 5:40 PM, Tom Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Zeke,
> If you calculate the relative power per wattage of single and
> three-phase motors, there will be a slight advantage to 3-phase. The
> value of 3-phase motors also extends to their better torque and
> start-load characteristics and lack of starting capacitor(s) to
> maintain. I would base my system on availability and overall usefulness
> rather than those relatively modest advantages of 3-phase motors. A
> single-phase, dual voltage (as in 240 / 120 volt in the USA) setup
> allows use of higher voltage for motors and the lower voltage for
> appliances and lighting. Single-phase inverters are the norm for
> converting stored Direct Current energy to useful Alternating Current
> power. You're on the right track to run your generator while running
> your motors. If you have inverters, they can augment the output of your
> generator to help with start-loads (up to 5 times the run-load of the
> motor). The battery bank can be charged by the excess generator power
> and by photovoltaic, wind, etc. at all times. In capturing generator
> heat, don't forget the waste heat of the exhust stream, harder to
> capture than the coolant heat, but about equal to it in power.
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Tom Thiel
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Jan, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
> > Are the three phase motors really more efficient?  Or are they just
> > lower amperage, but the same wattage?  The formula for calculating
> > three phase power, instead of being V*A*PF  is V(line to
> > line)*A*1.732*PF, I believe.
> >
> > Z
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 5:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>  -- Original message --
> >> i want to set up a small diesel generator to run my milking parlor
> >> and use the engine heat to supply the hot water. Since the pumps and
> >> refrigeration are my biggest load, but are only on for a few hours a
> >> day, i was thinking  a 3 phase generator would be better because the
> >> motors operate at about half the amperage and would reduce the size
> >> of the generator i need to run. I was thinking a 6/1 or a 12/2 lister
> >> diesel. the fuel consumption on these is about 2 liters per hour. I
> >> only need to run about 2 -1 hp motors and 1- 2hp for milking and
> >> cooling ,then i could run the generator to charge batteries for the
> >> house and help heat the house in the winter. Any suggestions? it just
> >> seems to easy to change out the motors to 3 phase and reduce the kw
> >> size of my generator.
> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel generator

2008-01-02 Thread Tom Thiel

Hi Zeke,
If you calculate the relative power per wattage of single and 
three-phase motors, there will be a slight advantage to 3-phase. The 
value of 3-phase motors also extends to their better torque and 
start-load characteristics and lack of starting capacitor(s) to 
maintain. I would base my system on availability and overall usefulness 
rather than those relatively modest advantages of 3-phase motors. A 
single-phase, dual voltage (as in 240 / 120 volt in the USA) setup 
allows use of higher voltage for motors and the lower voltage for 
appliances and lighting. Single-phase inverters are the norm for 
converting stored Direct Current energy to useful Alternating Current 
power. You're on the right track to run your generator while running 
your motors. If you have inverters, they can augment the output of your 
generator to help with start-loads (up to 5 times the run-load of the 
motor). The battery bank can be charged by the excess generator power 
and by photovoltaic, wind, etc. at all times. In capturing generator 
heat, don't forget the waste heat of the exhust stream, harder to 
capture than the coolant heat, but about equal to it in power.
Good luck with your project.

Tom Thiel

On 2 Jan, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> Are the three phase motors really more efficient?  Or are they just
> lower amperage, but the same wattage?  The formula for calculating
> three phase power, instead of being V*A*PF  is V(line to
> line)*A*1.732*PF, I believe.
>
> Z
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 5:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>> i want to set up a small diesel generator to run my milking parlor 
>> and use the engine heat to supply the hot water. Since the pumps and 
>> refrigeration are my biggest load, but are only on for a few hours a 
>> day, i was thinking  a 3 phase generator would be better because the 
>> motors operate at about half the amperage and would reduce the size 
>> of the generator i need to run. I was thinking a 6/1 or a 12/2 lister 
>> diesel. the fuel consumption on these is about 2 liters per hour. I 
>> only need to run about 2 -1 hp motors and 1- 2hp for milking and 
>> cooling ,then i could run the generator to charge batteries for the 
>> house and help heat the house in the winter. Any suggestions? it just 
>> seems to easy to change out the motors to 3 phase and reduce the kw  
>> size of my generator.
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel generator

2008-01-02 Thread Zeke Yewdall

Are the three phase motors really more efficient?  Or are they just
lower amperage, but the same wattage?  The formula for calculating
three phase power, instead of being V*A*PF  is V(line to
line)*A*1.732*PF, I believe.

Z

On Jan 2, 2008 5:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  -- Original message --
> i want to set up a small diesel generator to run my milking parlor and use 
> the engine heat to supply the hot water. Since the pumps and refrigeration 
> are my biggest load, but are only on for a few hours a day, i was thinking  a 
> 3 phase generator would be better because the motors operate at about half 
> the amperage and would reduce the size of the generator i need to run. I was 
> thinking a 6/1 or a 12/2 lister diesel. the fuel consumption on these is 
> about 2 liters per hour. I only need to run about 2 -1 hp motors and 1- 2hp 
> for milking and cooling ,then i could run the generator to charge batteries 
> for the house and help heat the house in the winter. Any suggestions? it just 
> seems to easy to change out the motors to 3 phase and reduce the kw  size of 
> my generator.
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel generator

2008-01-02 Thread fresheggs141


 -- Original message --
i want to set up a small diesel generator to run my milking parlor and use the 
engine heat to supply the hot water. Since the pumps and refrigeration are my 
biggest load, but are only on for a few hours a day, i was thinking  a 3 phase 
generator would be better because the motors operate at about half the amperage 
and would reduce the size of the generator i need to run. I was thinking a 6/1 
or a 12/2 lister diesel. the fuel consumption on these is about 2 liters per 
hour. I only need to run about 2 -1 hp motors and 1- 2hp for milking and 
cooling ,then i could run the generator to charge batteries for the house and 
help heat the house in the winter. Any suggestions? it just seems to easy to 
change out the motors to 3 phase and reduce the kw  size of my generator.

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel particulate study

2007-08-23 Thread Keith Addison

See:
http://snipurl.com/1pvy5
[Biofuel] The Deadliest Air Pollution Isn't Being Regulated Or Even Measured
25 Jul 2007

But cholesterol???

I don't think so. The deadly cholesterol monster is a myth.

Best

Keith


>It seems that the smaller the particles, the greater the damage
>  to lung tissue...
>  http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/726/3
>
>
> Dirt devil.
>Soot particles from diesel-engine sources.
>  Credit: A. Nel, Science
>
>  Diesel: The Engine Behind Atherosclerosis?  By Veronica Raymond
>ScienceNOW Daily News
>26 July 2007
>  The combination of cholesterol and particles from diesel exhaust 
>can harden arteries and lead to heart attacks and strokes, according 
>to a new study. The two factors together appear to be much more 
>harmful than the effects of soot containing diesel particles or 
>cholesterol alone, the researchers found.
>  The relation between diesel fumes--which contain particles less 
>than 2.5 micrometers in diameter--and cardiovascular disease is 
>still unclear. Epidemiological evidence has shown a link, but 
>researchers are unsure about the mechanism. Studies have suggested, 
>however, that like the "bad" form of cholesterol known as low 
>density lipoprotein (LDL), diesel particles cause the release into 
>blood vessels of free radicals, a type of oxygen molecule that is 
>damaging to human tissue.
>  In the new study, immunologist Andre Nel of the University of 
>California, Los Angeles, and his colleagues exposed samples of human 
>vascular tissue to soot, LDL cholesterol, or both at the same time. 
>The researchers found that the combination was especially adept at 
>setting off genes known to cause inflammation of the blood vessels 
>and at promoting artery hardening, or atherosclerosis.
>  To test whether the same was true in live animals, researchers 
>took mice genetically engineered to have high cholesterol levels and 
>placed them in one of three environments. The first group was 
>exposed to filtered air for 2 months, the second to the finest 
>particles in diesel fumes, and the third group to both fine and 
>intermediate-sized particles. Examination of the animals' lungs 
>showed that the two diesel groups had the same amount of damage as 
>did the human tissue samples and similar gene activation patterns. 
>The mice exposed to only the finest particles had the most severe 
>damage. The study is published in the 25 July issue of Genome 
>Biology.
>  "This the first study to go so far into the biology behind the 
>effect air pollutants have on the cardiovascular system," says 
>Stanton Glantz, a toxicologist at the University of California, San 
>Francisco. "Most people figured there was something going on, but 
>this gives us substantial evidence."
>  In future studies, Nel says he hopes to discover whether 
>antioxidants--compounds that are found in some fruits and vegetables 
>and that can prevent harm from free radicals--can prevent damage 
>from diesel fumes. His team also plans on identifying genes that 
>make people more susceptible to the effects of air pollutants, so 
>that high-risk people may be identified with a DNA test.
>  Related site
>
>More on the effects of diesel on health


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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2006-12-12 Thread Kirk McLoren

Fast enough to get you a ticket in any state of the union.
  Most impressive.
  Kirk

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Well the Neander would show up in the rear view of some of the 
jap-scrap out there but not this one...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7992626224995826148

Check out the speedo.that's MILE PER HOUR baby. What a monster. I 
used to drive a Ducati 906 and had plenty of high speed thrills but this 
thing is insane. I bet the Neander would have a similar feel ( in 
acceleration and torque, definitely not handling ) as the desmo twin 
which was awesome. Such a broad and smooth power band, nothing like 
these peaky japanese superbikes that force you to constantly shift up 
and down to keep on the power curve.

Yeah I might be tempted to drive a bike again if I could get a deisel. 
I'd go for something like that kawi with it's off road capability over a 
road burner these days.now that I've got my hormones under 
control.lol

Joe

Alan Petrillo wrote:

>
>
>No doubt. Let them. Neanderthals did one thing very well: Survive.
>
>And they'd better keep an eye on their rear view, because the Neander 
>will give a lot of them a pretty serious run for the money.
>
>Now if they can get the price out of the stratosphere and down where 
>regular people can afford it I'll buy one.
>
>Same with that diesel Kawasaki scrambler bike.
>
>
>AP
>
>
> 
>

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2006-12-12 Thread Joe Street

Well  the Neander would show up in the rear view of some of the 
jap-scrap out there but not this one...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7992626224995826148

Check out the speedo.that's MILE PER HOUR baby.  What a monster.  I 
used to drive a Ducati 906 and had plenty of high speed thrills but this 
thing is insane.  I bet the Neander would have a similar feel ( in 
acceleration and torque, definitely not handling ) as the desmo twin 
which was awesome. Such a broad and smooth power band, nothing like 
these peaky japanese superbikes that force you to constantly shift up 
and down to keep on the power curve.

Yeah I might be tempted to drive a bike again if I could get a deisel.  
I'd go for something like that kawi with it's off road capability over a 
road burner these days.now that I've got my hormones under 
control.lol

Joe

Alan Petrillo wrote:

>
>
>No doubt.  Let them.  Neanderthals did one thing very well: Survive.
>
>And they'd better keep an eye on their rear view, because the Neander 
>will give a lot of them a pretty serious run for the money.
>
>Now if they can get the price out of the stratosphere and down where 
>regular people can afford it I'll buy one.
>
>Same with that diesel Kawasaki scrambler bike.
>
>
>AP
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2006-12-11 Thread Alan Petrillo

Joe Street wrote:
> No doubt the crotch rocket crowd will be referring to this one as the 
> 'Neanderthal'  LOL

No doubt.  Let them.  Neanderthals did one thing very well: Survive.

And they'd better keep an eye on their rear view, because the Neander 
will give a lot of them a pretty serious run for the money.

Now if they can get the price out of the stratosphere and down where 
regular people can afford it I'll buy one.

Same with that diesel Kawasaki scrambler bike.

AP

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle

2006-11-14 Thread Joe Street

No doubt the crotch rocket crowd will be referring to this one as the 
'Neanderthal'  LOL

Joe

Mike Weaver wrote:

>http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/neander_1400_turbo_diesel_motorcycle/
> 
>
>
>SPECIFICATIONS
>Neander 1400 TurboDiesel
>
>Engine: Air/oil-cooled turbocharged parallel-twin diesel with twin 
>360-degree
>geared crankshafts, dual con-rods per cylinder
>Valve arrangement: Apfelbeck eight-valve cylinder head with gear-driven 
>double
>overhead camshafts, and radial valves with opposed inlet and exhaust tracts
>Bore x stroke, displacement: 108 x 78.2 mm, 1430cc
>Compression ratio: 16:1
>Carburetion: Garrett turbocharger with intercooler, Bosch electronic
>direct fuel
>injection, single top injector, 31mm throttle body
>Transmission: 6-speed Aprilia RSV1000R gearbox, multiplate dry clutch
>Final drive: Belt
>Weight: 595 lbs. dry
>Rake/trail: 31 degrees / 109 mm
>Wheelbase: 68.5 in.
>Seat height: 25.5 in.
>Front suspension: 43mm Paioli inverted fork
>Rear suspension: Single cantilever Ohlins damper
>Wheels: Spun-aluminum, 18x3.5 front, 18x5.5 rear
>Front brake: 2, 4-piston Performance Machine calipers, 11.8-in. discs
>Rear brake: 4-piston Performance Machine caliper, 11.8-in. disc
>Front tire: 130/60-18 Metzeler Marathon
>Rear tire: 240/40-18 Metzeler Marathon
>Claimed top speed: Over 140 mph Claimed power & torque (at crankshaft):
>94 bhp @
>4200 rpm, 129 ft/lb @ 2600 rpm
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-25 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam

Hi Keith and  Peter   Brasil is big country .we are in the norteast , the amozonian forest is inthe north about 4-5 hours  air travel from our place.The seed of the native plants can be easily obtained as there are several natural products  small business is there in several forest areas.
    The amazonian copia oil is avialble as  , the medicnal value of this plant is well in the regioes.   As this natural seed coolection can really help the very poor people in the very  lees deveoped are , we wish to help  any one inthe list to get the seeds.
   Thanking to bringing very viable alternative biofuel plants that can make better life  for many . This is how  we can make use of the natural selection 2006/9/24, Keith Addison <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:Hi Peter
Thanks for the updater and the url, by the way, very interesting!Why don't you post it onlist?>Hi Keith ;>>Anyone know where to order seeds?>>BR>Peter G.>Thailand
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-25 Thread Keith Addison

>smell like a hoax to me, at least they can provide a picture of the 
>trees or show a seed or two.

Not a hoax. Check the James Duke reference:

>Diesel Tree
>
>http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Copaifera_langsdorfii.html

Best

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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-25 Thread Rexis Tree

smell like a hoax to me, at least they can provide a picture of the trees or show a seed or two.
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-24 Thread Keith Addison

Hi Peter

Thanks for the updater and the url, by the way, very interesting!

Why don't you post it onlist?

>Hi Keith ;
>
>Anyone know where to order seeds?
>
>BR
>Peter G.
>Thailand

No. Pannirselvam might know, or other Brazilian list members.

Or try ECHO, maybe.

http://echonet.org/
ECHO: Networking Global Hunger Solutions

Seeds from around the world (marked "excellent"):

http://www.seedman.com/
2006 Exotic Plant and Garden Seed Catalog

These from JtF's seeds page:

SeedSaving Resources -- This comprehensive site is a "one-stop-shop" 
of Web resources on plant genetic resources, seedsaving and seed 
swapping, and worldwide sources of organic, heirloom, open-pollinated 
and non-GE seed and plants.
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~merlyn/seedsaving.html
Seed Saving Resources

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"Lost Crops of the Incas: Little-Known Plants of the Andes with 
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0-309-04264-X.
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(Anyone) let us know how you get along.

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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-24 Thread Guag Meister

Hi Keith ;

Anyone know where to order seeds?

BR
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel tree

2006-09-24 Thread Keith Addison

The diesel tree was first discussed on the list in July 2001, most 
recently in October last year, but we've never heard of anyone 
growing them. Good luck to him.

If you check this:
Other oil crops
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#othercrops

... there are hundreds of potential oil crops in those databases 
(including diesel trees), but just about all we ever hear of is soy 
and rapeseed, we haven't even scratched the surface yet.

Thanks for the message!

Best

Keith


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From memory this is the same basics as the
Daimler Puch system and has no injector pump. Please let me know if I am out
here. This engine was known as the Styre and mostly run in boats (14+ years of
operations in Australia) Macintyre engineering from memory were the Australian
agents for this engine in marine applications.
There are now many variants of this engine design.
The latest being two injections per firing stroke controlled by the many sensors
on the engine, all operated by a central PCM.
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From www.greendieselcorp.com: "Existing diesel common rail
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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread RicAlls

congradulations and good luck with your heating aspirations. i am just starting to learn to process WVO with the same intention in mind to heat the house. when i made my first batch of BD with virgin oil i burned it through a 35,000 btu space heater with no problems at all. i am hoping that i will have similiar success with an oil furnace.
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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread Thomas Kelly

Charles,
 I've been burning approx 30% biodiesel: 70% home heating oil this past 
heating season. The only problems I've experienced are to be expected : 
Change line filter element and nozzle due to the cleansing action of BD on 
an old tank and fuel line. Learn how to do this yourself and have spare 
filters/nozzles on hand.
 I have a Beckett AF burner with a Suntec pump. The pump (and most 
others) has a rubber shaft seal which is incompatible w.  BD. It will 
eventually swell and leak. I did not experience any problem with it for the 
8 months I've used it w. BD30. My tank is in my basement and I did not 
preheat the mix even though temps go down to about 50F down there.
 This past week I have teed a small "experimental" tank
 into the fuel line and am attempting to run BD100 in the furnace. I 
replaced the Suntec pump w. a Webster Bio Pump (w. viton seals); very easy 
to do.
 So far: I've been able to run BD70 by adjusting the pressure screw on 
the pump (increase) and adjusting the air band on the burner (lowered). 
Knowing little about burners, furnaces, and pumps, and lacking pressure 
gauges, I limited myself to 1/2 turn on the pressure adjustment. A service 
tech is coming today from the local oil co. to see if he can get it going on 
BD100.
 Congratulations on your successful batch and best wishes,
   Tom
- Original Message - 
From: "Charles List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:11 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel heating


> Hi all
>
> I am currently beginning processing WVO into biodiesel to use in my  home 
> heating. I have a furnace designed specifically for diesel fuel  and I 
> would like to know if anyone has any experience of using  biodiesel in 
> such a furnace and if there are any problems they've
come across. Also since it's just a combustion chamber, will I be  able to 
get away with mixing some (20%?) WVO in with my biodiesel in  my tank, and 
just cleaning my injectors each year?
>
 Just also wanted to share my excitement at making my first 1l batch  from 
WVO- processed well and the third wash is crystal clear!

 Regards
 Charles List



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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Charles

>Hi all
>
>I am currently beginning processing WVO into biodiesel to use in my
>home heating. I have a furnace designed specifically for diesel fuel
>and I would like to know if anyone has any experience of using
>biodiesel in such a furnace and if there are any problems they've
>come across. Also since it's just a combustion chamber, will I be
>able to get away with mixing some (20%?) WVO in with my biodiesel in
>my tank, and just cleaning my injectors each year?

Home heating
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat

>Just also wanted to share my excitement at making my first 1l batch
>from WVO- processed well and the third wash is crystal clear!

Well done! Definitely a special thrill, and a wonderful sense of 
discovery with it. All the jaded old-timers around here envy you. :-)

Keep going!

Best

Keith
 

>Regards
>
>Charles List


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Re: [Biofuel] diesel-hybrid was hybrid efficiency

2006-03-11 Thread Darryl McMahon

Sorry, I thought the question was about personal use vehicles (e.g., 
cars, light trucks).

In the heavy vehicle category, we do have some North American contenders.

Mack Trucks has a Class 8 hybrid prototype.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/mack_trucks_dis.html

ISE Corporation has put their hybrid drives into Norcals, Kenworths and 
Peterbuilts.  Not production items, as far as I know.
http://www.isecorp.com/gallery/album12

ISE Corp propaganda.
http://www.isecorp.com/

Their diesel-hybrids, specifically:
http://www.isecorp.com/ise_products_services/diesel_hybrid_drive_system/

CalStart actually sponsors a Hybrid Truck Users Forum, and I gather they 
have a significant number of one-offs in various categories.

I think the EPRI Ford F-550 hybrid trouble truck is a pretty sweet 
application.

The DaimlerChryser Sprinter hybrid prototypes look kind of wimpy by 
comparison.  These are gas-electric only so far in the U.S., but 
diesel-electric are being tested in Europe, and could be available by 
special order (in 2009 or later when DC might allow them to be sold).

New Flyer (Winnipeg, Manitoba) produces a diesel-electric hybrid 
passenger bus, usually based on the GM-Allison package.

Orion (Mississauga Ontario - absorbed into DaimlerChrysler in 2000) also 
produces a diesel-electric hybrid bus.  BAE Systems drive package.

There was some good coverage on the transit system hybrids at the EDTA 
conference in Vancouver last December.

Other than the all-electric rail systems, virtually all rail locomotives 
produced in North America are diesel-electric drive.

Then we get into some serious equipment, like Euclid R260 built here in 
Ontario.  For those of you that think a Hummer just isn't enough truck, 
this might fit your needs.  Dual in-wheel electric motors for torque, 
and a decent Detroit Diesel to turn the alternator.

Popular Mechanics review of the R260 Pick-up.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1266761.html

You might have to widen the driveway.

If we move from shore to sea, there are plenty of diesel-electric 
submarines still in service, and the Queen Elizabeth II weighs in at 
37,000 tons displacement, with electric drive and nine diesel engines to 
turn the alternators.

Darryl

AltEnergyNetwork wrote:
> Hi Darryl,
> here is one.
> regards
> tallex
> 
> 
> New hybrid technology for heavy vehicles unveiled
> 
> < 
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060311/AUTO01/603110345/1148
>  >
> 
> 
>> ---Original Message---
>> From: Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
>> Sent: 11 Mar '06 16:39
>> 
>> To my knowledge there are no hybrid diesels available in North America.
>>   Nor any announced for the 2007 model year (among 23 entries).  This
>> despite the fact that all the PNGV demonstration vehicles being
>> diesel-electric hybrids.  Car makers are generally convinced diesels are
>> taboo in North America.  Definitely a hard sell in California, the
>> largest single market and leader on environmental automotive technology.
>> 
>> I'm not following Europe as closely, but they don't seem as keen on
>> hybrids in general, preferring efficient diesels (e.g., Smart, several
>> VW models, etc.)
>> 
>> I gather the Japanese are also passing on diesel hybrids, but are
>> pursuing more aggressively-EV gasoline-electric hybrids.
>> 
>> Alas, my electric-diesel hybrid is still awaiting a controller
>> fix/upgrade before we can do some real-world energy-consumption testing
>> to size the diesel gen-set.
>> 
>> Darryl
>> 
>> Kenji James Fuse wrote:
>> > Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America?
>> >
>> > My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we
>> > can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up
>> > and running in Europe?
>> >
>> > Kenji Fuse
>> >
>> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars.
>> >> The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership
>> >> battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000
>> >> and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new
>> >> models hit the road over the coming years.
>> >>
>> >> They talked about battery warranty and they figured
>> >> they'd last 200,000 miles.  I've had gasoline cars
>> >> go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany
>> >> or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty.
>> >>
>> >> Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota
>> >> were they could continue to run without the battery
>> >> pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city.
>> >>
>> >> Resale value is still quite high for
>> >> hybrids and diesels around my area
>> >> although I'm having difficulty finding
>> >> my older Geo Metro's but their around.
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid
>> >> in a fuel efficient version for local use.
>> >> I prefer my bicycle and limit my
>> >> internal combustion use when needed.

Re: [Biofuel] diesel pump for wvo

2006-02-28 Thread Derick Giorchino

Hi I think the lift pump you speak of will work but the volume you can pump
is very small per stroke. You could be there for 40 min per gal on the other
hand you will be getting a good work out. 
I have been experimenting with shop vac's this is a fast way to suck almost
anything. 55 gal drum 2" bung attach vac there. 3/4" fitting w/1" hose Walla
transfer 55 gat in a few min depending on the viscosity.
Good luck Derick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele
Stephenson
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Biofuel] diesel pump for wvo

i have an extra lift pump from my cummins and want to use it to pump out 
veggie oil from the tanks behind the rest.  my questions are:

the pump is a carter.  will it work w/ wvo?

if so, should i take the screen out or leave it in?

my goal is to drive up and deposit the hose at the respective ends and plug 
the pump into the the power outlet.

thanks in advance.  i have learned more than i ever hoped from this forum.

mstephenson

'78 vw rabbit diesel n/a - soon to be veggie
'99 dodge diesel - soon to be B-X



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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries

2005-12-24 Thread Sarath Guttikunda

A good source of these studies is HEI in Boston.
 
http://www.healtheffects.org/pubs-research.htm#Particles%20and%20Diesel%20Engine%20Exhaust 
Sarath 
On 12/24/05, Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And gasoline exhaust?And what of comparative studies with biodiesel exhaust, starting withB-100 and working down to B-20?
Unfortunately, people like Sierra Club's Dismal Daniel Becker willeventually use the information to but one end - certainly not in thedirection of greater biodiesel use.Words like "especially tough" without comparative data is all too
misleading.Todd Swearingen[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>http://health.yahoo.com/news/142160
>>Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries>>December 20, 2005 08:41:13 PM PST>By Ed Edelson>HealthDay Reporter>>TUESDAY, Dec. 20 (HealthDay News) -- Fumes belched from 18-wheelers and other
>diesel-powered vehicles and engines may be especially tough on the human>cardiovascular system, new research reveals.>>In a carefully controlled study, the arteries of healthy volunteers exposed to
>diesel exhaust lost part of their ability to expand, while their blood became>more likely to clot.>>The bad news about the cardiovascular harm that polluted air can inflict doesn't>end there.
>>In a study reported in the Dec. 21 issue of the Journal of the American Medical>Association, New York University researchers found that mice exposed to air as>polluted as what floats around New York City showed that the effects can be
>particularly damaging, especially when coupled with a high-fat diet.>>The human study answers a question scientists have posed for years, one expert>noted.>>"People have wondered for a long time whether diesels were harmful, and if so,
>how," said Dr. Russell V. Luepker, a professor of epidemiology at the>University of Minnesota, and a spokesman for the American Heart Association.>"This study is a building block. It shows that when you look hard for
>mechanisms, you find them.">>Luepker was not involved in the study, which was conducted by Scottish>researchers at the University of Edinburgh and published in the Dec. 20 issue>of Circulation.
>>The research relied on a specially built "exposure chamber" at the university's>Center for Cardiovascular Science. In two one-hour sessions, 30 healthy young>men were exposed either to filtered air or to exhaust from an idling diesel
>engine. The researchers then injected vasodilators -- drugs that cause the>arteries to expand -- and took blood samples to measure clotting levels.>>Response to the vasodilators was reduced significantly after the diesel
>exposure, and levels of an enzyme that helps keep clots from forming were>reduced, the researchers reported.>>The findings have potentially important implications for the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency, which is currently sponsoring a voluntary program to outfit>diesel-powered vehicles with devices that trap fine particles in exhaust fumes.>>"Diesel exhaust consists of a complex mixture of particles and gases," said
>study author Dr. Nick Mills, a clinical research fellow at the Edinburgh>center. "Before we can advocate the widespread use of particle traps in diesel>engines, we need to verify that combustion-derived particles are the
>responsible component.">>A number of real-world studies have linked diesel fume exposure to heart attacks>and other cardiovascular problems, Mills noted.>>"However, observational studies cannot prove causality," he said. "In human
>exposure studies, we can control for all potential confounding factors and>assess the direct effect of particulates on the cardiovascular system. Our>findings provide further support for the observational studies and a plausible
>mechanism to explain association between particles and acute cardiovascular>events.">>It's not clear whether the findings apply to gasoline-powered engines, Mills>said, because their emissions are very different from those of diesel-powered
>engines. In particular, diesel exhaust generates 100 times more pollutant>particles, he said.>>Because the study was so carefully controlled, Luepker labeled the results>"interesting initial data." But he added that "the controlled study in the
>laboratory is not totally dissimilar to what people out on the street can be>exposed to.">>"If this study were done in mice, I would say, 'very interesting,' " Luepker>said. "A study done in healthy humans gets my attention more."
>>In the mouse study from JAMA, the scientists found that mice breathing polluted>air developed far more plaque than those breathing filtered air. Rodents that>were exposed to polluted air and a high-fat diet had arteries that were 
41.5>percent obstructed with plaque, while the mice exposed to a high-fat diet and>filtered air only experienced 26.2 percent blockage in their arteries.>>The mice on normal diets also revealed differences in plaque levels, with the
>mice exposed to polluted air showing 19.2 percent blockage while those exposed>to filtered air showing only 13.2 percent

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries

2005-12-23 Thread Appal Energy

And gasoline exhaust?

And what of comparative studies with biodiesel exhaust, starting with 
B-100 and working down to B-20?

Unfortunately, people like Sierra Club's Dismal Daniel Becker will 
eventually use the information to but one end - certainly not in the 
direction of greater biodiesel use.

Words like "especially tough" without comparative data is all too 
misleading.

Todd Swearingen


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>http://health.yahoo.com/news/142160
>
>Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries
>
>December 20, 2005 08:41:13 PM PST
>By Ed Edelson
>HealthDay Reporter
>
>TUESDAY, Dec. 20 (HealthDay News) -- Fumes belched from 18-wheelers and other
>diesel-powered vehicles and engines may be especially tough on the human
>cardiovascular system, new research reveals.
>
>In a carefully controlled study, the arteries of healthy volunteers exposed to
>diesel exhaust lost part of their ability to expand, while their blood became
>more likely to clot.
>
>The bad news about the cardiovascular harm that polluted air can inflict 
>doesn't
>end there.
>
>In a study reported in the Dec. 21 issue of the Journal of the American Medical
>Association, New York University researchers found that mice exposed to air as
>polluted as what floats around New York City showed that the effects can be
>particularly damaging, especially when coupled with a high-fat diet.
>
>The human study answers a question scientists have posed for years, one expert
>noted.
>
>"People have wondered for a long time whether diesels were harmful, and if so,
>how," said Dr. Russell V. Luepker, a professor of epidemiology at the
>University of Minnesota, and a spokesman for the American Heart Association.
>"This study is a building block. It shows that when you look hard for
>mechanisms, you find them."
>
>Luepker was not involved in the study, which was conducted by Scottish
>researchers at the University of Edinburgh and published in the Dec. 20 issue
>of Circulation.
>
>The research relied on a specially built "exposure chamber" at the university's
>Center for Cardiovascular Science. In two one-hour sessions, 30 healthy young
>men were exposed either to filtered air or to exhaust from an idling diesel
>engine. The researchers then injected vasodilators -- drugs that cause the
>arteries to expand -- and took blood samples to measure clotting levels.
>
>Response to the vasodilators was reduced significantly after the diesel
>exposure, and levels of an enzyme that helps keep clots from forming were
>reduced, the researchers reported.
>
>The findings have potentially important implications for the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency, which is currently sponsoring a voluntary program to outfit
>diesel-powered vehicles with devices that trap fine particles in exhaust fumes.
>
>"Diesel exhaust consists of a complex mixture of particles and gases," said
>study author Dr. Nick Mills, a clinical research fellow at the Edinburgh
>center. "Before we can advocate the widespread use of particle traps in diesel
>engines, we need to verify that combustion-derived particles are the
>responsible component."
>
>A number of real-world studies have linked diesel fume exposure to heart 
>attacks
>and other cardiovascular problems, Mills noted.
>
>"However, observational studies cannot prove causality," he said. "In human
>exposure studies, we can control for all potential confounding factors and
>assess the direct effect of particulates on the cardiovascular system. Our
>findings provide further support for the observational studies and a plausible
>mechanism to explain association between particles and acute cardiovascular
>events."
>
>It's not clear whether the findings apply to gasoline-powered engines, Mills
>said, because their emissions are very different from those of diesel-powered
>engines. In particular, diesel exhaust generates 100 times more pollutant
>particles, he said.
>
>Because the study was so carefully controlled, Luepker labeled the results
>"interesting initial data." But he added that "the controlled study in the
>laboratory is not totally dissimilar to what people out on the street can be
>exposed to."
>
>"If this study were done in mice, I would say, 'very interesting,' " Luepker
>said. "A study done in healthy humans gets my attention more."
>
>In the mouse study from JAMA, the scientists found that mice breathing polluted
>air developed far more plaque than those breathing filtered air. Rodents that
>were exposed to polluted air and a high-fat diet had arteries that were 41.5
>percent obstructed with plaque, while the mice exposed to a high-fat diet and
>filtered air only experienced 26.2 percent blockage in their arteries.
>
>The mice on normal diets also revealed differences in plaque levels, with the
>mice exposed to polluted air showing 19.2 percent blockage while those exposed
>to filtered air showing only 13.2 percent blockage. All the mice were
>genetically prone to develop heart disease.
>

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