RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer

2004-06-13 Thread kline

> Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it
> seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but
> it seems a high number are running on bd.Why?
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
> Hey, your '97 is a Poerstroke Diesel, the same as an International
T444E.  It features direct fuel injection and is electronically
controlled.  Because it is DI and electronic, I would recommend that you
use biodiesel.  The fuel has to be very finely atomized to work in a DI.
 That said, there is a lot of interest in SVO over at the Diesel Stop,
and a couple of guys are running SVO in 7.3 PSD engines.  I'd not be
convinced that it will work as well as diesel or biodiesel until they
have hundreds of thousands of veggie miles with no unusual fuel related
problems.  The injectors are probably the most likely component to be
damaged, and they are not cheap to fix.  If you're up for taking a
chance go for it, but for goodness sakes, do it right.  ALways preheat
the oil and start and stop on petrodiesel or biodiesel.  Probably
wouldn't be a bad idea to invesst in a greasel or similar conversion.
Good luck,
J.D.
>
> SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil.
>   WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food.
>   Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils).
>
>   Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two
>   exceptions:
>   1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel
>   2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it,
>   WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil.
>
>   * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to
> decreasing it as petro fuel does.
>   * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as
> it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic.
>   * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to
> American markets
>   * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to
> immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil
>   * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than
> petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green
> house gas contributor.
>   * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from
> diesel exhaust
>   * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of
> between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum
> diesel market-place
>   * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to
> meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current
> diesel fuel needs
>   * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel
> production
>   * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution
>   * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than
> petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance
> when used in diesel engines
>   * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills
>   * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma
>   * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like
> dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks
>   * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust
> pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines
>
>
>   Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed
>   with diesel (petro or bio).
>   SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take
>   additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware
>   changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback
>   rate dependent on how much fuel you use.
>
>   Biofuel cons:
>
>   * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells
> nice.
>   * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings
> wrong with your truck.
>   * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty
> biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel
> either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on
> the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the
> damage.
>   * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a
> minute decrease in their net worth if every day 

RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer

2004-06-13 Thread Benet P. Donnelly

Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it
seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but
it seems a high number are running on bd.Why?
  -Original Message-
  From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer


SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil.
  WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food.
  Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils).

  Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two
  exceptions:
  1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel
  2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it,
  WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil.

  * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to
decreasing it as petro fuel does.
  * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as
it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic.
  * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to
American markets
  * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to
immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil
  * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than
petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green
house gas contributor.
  * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from
diesel exhaust
  * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of
between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum
diesel market-place
  * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to
meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current
diesel fuel needs
  * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel
production
  * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution
  * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than
petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance
when used in diesel engines
  * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills
  * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma
  * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like
dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks
  * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust
pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines


  Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed
  with diesel (petro or bio).
  SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take
  additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware
  changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback
  rate dependent on how much fuel you use.

  Biofuel cons:

  * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice.
  * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings
wrong with your truck.
  * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty
biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel
either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on
the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the
damage.
  * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a
minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch
from petro fuels to biofuels.

  See

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+
oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search
  for most of the manufacturers of VO kits.  VO kits are sensitive to oil
  quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and
viscosity.

  Kenneth Kron
  Founder Bay Area Biofuel
  www.bayareabiofuel.com

  benet208 wrote:

  >I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me pros&cons of
  >changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or
  >whatever els their is.thank you.
  >
  >
  >



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Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer

2004-06-08 Thread Kenneth Kron

  SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil.
WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food.
Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils).

Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two 
exceptions:
1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel
2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, 
WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil.

* Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to
  decreasing it as petro fuel does.
* Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as
  it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic.
* Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to
  American markets
* Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to
  immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil
* Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than
  petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green
  house gas contributor.
* Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from
  diesel exhaust
* Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of
  between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum
  diesel market-place
* According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to
  meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current
  diesel fuel needs
* Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel production
* Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution
* Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than
  petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance
  when used in diesel engines
* Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills
* Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma
* Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like
  dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks
* Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust
  pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines


Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed 
with diesel (petro or bio).
SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take 
additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware 
changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback 
rate dependent on how much fuel you use.

Biofuel cons:

* People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice.
* People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings
  wrong with your truck.
* The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty
  biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel
  either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on
  the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the damage.
* Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a
  minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch
  from petro fuels to biofuels.

See
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search
for most of the manufacturers of VO kits.  VO kits are sensitive to oil 
quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and viscosity.

Kenneth Kron
Founder Bay Area Biofuel
www.bayareabiofuel.com

benet208 wrote:

>I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me pros&cons of 
>changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or 
>whatever els their is.thank you.
>
>  
>



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