RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
> Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it > seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but > it seems a high number are running on bd.Why? > -Original Message- > From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer > Hey, your '97 is a Poerstroke Diesel, the same as an International T444E. It features direct fuel injection and is electronically controlled. Because it is DI and electronic, I would recommend that you use biodiesel. The fuel has to be very finely atomized to work in a DI. That said, there is a lot of interest in SVO over at the Diesel Stop, and a couple of guys are running SVO in 7.3 PSD engines. I'd not be convinced that it will work as well as diesel or biodiesel until they have hundreds of thousands of veggie miles with no unusual fuel related problems. The injectors are probably the most likely component to be damaged, and they are not cheap to fix. If you're up for taking a chance go for it, but for goodness sakes, do it right. ALways preheat the oil and start and stop on petrodiesel or biodiesel. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to invesst in a greasel or similar conversion. Good luck, J.D. > > SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil. > WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. > Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). > > Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two > exceptions: > 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel > 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, > WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. > > * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to > decreasing it as petro fuel does. > * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as > it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. > * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to > American markets > * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to > immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil > * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than > petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green > house gas contributor. > * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from > diesel exhaust > * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of > between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum > diesel market-place > * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to > meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current > diesel fuel needs > * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel > production > * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution > * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than > petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance > when used in diesel engines > * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills > * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma > * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like > dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks > * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust > pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines > > > Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed > with diesel (petro or bio). > SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take > additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware > changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback > rate dependent on how much fuel you use. > > Biofuel cons: > > * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells > nice. > * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings > wrong with your truck. > * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty > biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel > either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on > the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the > damage. > * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a > minute decrease in their net worth if every day
RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but it seems a high number are running on bd.Why? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil. WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two exceptions: 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to decreasing it as petro fuel does. * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to American markets * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green house gas contributor. * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from diesel exhaust * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum diesel market-place * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current diesel fuel needs * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel production * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance when used in diesel engines * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed with diesel (petro or bio). SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback rate dependent on how much fuel you use. Biofuel cons: * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice. * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings wrong with your truck. * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the damage. * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch from petro fuels to biofuels. See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+ oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search for most of the manufacturers of VO kits. VO kits are sensitive to oil quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and viscosity. Kenneth Kron Founder Bay Area Biofuel www.bayareabiofuel.com benet208 wrote: >I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me pros&cons of >changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or >whatever els their is.thank you. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PRO
Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil. WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two exceptions: 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to decreasing it as petro fuel does. * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to American markets * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green house gas contributor. * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from diesel exhaust * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum diesel market-place * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current diesel fuel needs * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel production * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance when used in diesel engines * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed with diesel (petro or bio). SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback rate dependent on how much fuel you use. Biofuel cons: * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice. * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings wrong with your truck. * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the damage. * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch from petro fuels to biofuels. See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search for most of the manufacturers of VO kits. VO kits are sensitive to oil quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and viscosity. Kenneth Kron Founder Bay Area Biofuel www.bayareabiofuel.com benet208 wrote: >I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me pros&cons of >changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or >whatever els their is.thank you. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
