Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
Hello Andy Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? Have a read of this on CRDs and PDs on SVO, and biodiesel too (recently updated): http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy Best wishes Keith I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
It'll run fine on 100. I've seen at least two now. Andy Karpay wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
Wait. Are you are running unheated WVO?? I have heard that you can do this with the old mercedes because they have a much stronger injector pump design than most everything else. But I don't think it's generally recommended in anything else, especially in anything with Lucas injector pumps. The new VW diesels can't handle glycerin, methanol, and un-reacted oil in poorly made biodiesel very well even though this didn't bother the older diesels, so I'd suspect that the liberty CRD would have similar pickiness about having good biodiesel. Given the poor cetane levels and lubricity of US diesel, I'd think that it would actually run better on good biodiesel than #2 diesel, but that's just my conjecture, based on my experience with my '84 diesel (which doesn't mind unwashed biodiesel either). Viscosity is the only thing I've noticed change with WVO in colder temperatures, but then again, I've only had experience with heated WVO systems, so it's always above 160 or so when it hits the injector pump, regardless of outdoor temperature. If it's hydrogenated oil, it will congeal at a bit higher temp than if it's non-hydrogenated oil. Zeke On 10/19/05, Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD
I have a CRD. From the factory it comes with B5. I have run B11 without problems. Unfortuantly they don't sell any blends near me so I don't get to run it very often. This is my first diesel. My friend and I are getting ready to make our own bio soon. He has an F-250. Andy Karpay wrote: Interesting post. I was looking at the Jeep Liberty diesel, (back when ...) and have just thrown out the literature I collected. The glossy they (the dealer) supplied me stated compatibility for B20. In fact, the units were shipped with (B20) in the tank, I think to make the exhaust smell less 'diesel' for sales purposes. I wondered why not B100 other than component compatibility etc? I am more interested in determining if it will run on WVO at 100%, or 50% or what? I'm finding that blending WVO with percent dino is (so far) acceptable (1981 Mercedes 300SD). I'm expecting to need higher percent (50%?) diesel for the cold winter starts we are expecting here in Florida. Other than viscosity issues, anybody know what happens to WVO at lower (say 35-40F) temps? If they'd let me put about 10 gallons of my finest processed WVO into the CRD engine's tank and run a few miles, and if it ran, I'd buy the sucker. If it didn't, well, they'd have to pump the tank out I guess. It's a gamble I won't take. Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jeep Liberty CRD To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 After doing some (about 3 hours worth) of research, I have not found any straight answers regarding the use of bio-diesel in the Jeep Liberty with the VM 2.8 liter CRD (common rail diesel). As a state and ASE certified master mechanic at a Chrysler/Jeep dealership, my coworkers and I have alot of interest in the compatibility of bio-diesel with this new engine option. DCX and VM Industries both state that #2 diesel is the preferred fuel but don't say anything about bio-diesel in any percentage. My interest is in making my own WVO bio-diesel to use in a Liberty but also in the compatibility and availability of the premixed BDs (B2, B20, ETC) in the greater Detroit area. Particularly in the Warren, Eastpoint, Roseville areas. Does anyone have and hands on experience with the Liberty CRD? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
