Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Getting off-topic a bit... Any concerns about consistently drinking distilled water? I've heard it can leach minerals from the body. A friend of mine uses a water distiller so I'd like to know more. Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Kenji James Fuse wrote: Getting off-topic a bit... Any concerns about consistently drinking distilled water? I've heard it can leach minerals from the body. A friend of mine uses a water distiller so I'd like to know more. Kenji Search the archives. It's in there. Short version is: If you get your energy from food rather than photosynthesis, you don't really have much to worry about. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Jonathan Schearer wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com http://www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. It's been done. http://www.brewhaus.com/EasyStill.htm As far as their claim of 90% distillation on 2 passes, well, I'll believe that when I see it. Brewhaus says their only modifications are elimination of the chlorine release valve, and installation of a lower power heating element. What they're describing is just the lower power version of the standard water distiller. I have a feeling they didn't even change the thermal cutout to a lower temperature version. They talk it up like there are all kinds of mods to it, but it looks like a standard water distiller to me. My feeling is to give it a try and see what happens. Operate it -=*OUTDOORS*=-, have a fire extinguisher handy, do the maths so you know what to expect, and give it a shot. If it doesn't work then you'll only be out the ~$129 for the distiller, and if it doesn't burn up then you'll have a nice little water distiller. I have one of these little distillers, and I use it every day for distilling water. It's the only way I can make the lousy, chloramine laden St. Petersburg tap water fit to drink. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Helow Jonathan Water distillation is mainly concerned with evaporation and then condensation water vapor evaporated, where as alcohol still need to selectively seperate low volatile etanol using heat ,as well as can condense selectively the ethanol and hence need column.Thus water distiller can be mainly smalltank type ,less condensation problem ,where as ethanol still is column.Hence tey need to be diffrent in design , eventhouh they all envolve similar process as you outlined. We here do like the design for small scale equipment for sustainable biofuel process developments.using air as coolant and then recover the energy for drying can be possible ,but yet taht type of noval distillation units need to evolved .You can try one taht can save the huge energy cost of ethanol as one need 5 Kg of steam for every 1 l of ethanol. sd Pannirselvam P.V On 11/23/05, Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Don't think so. The purpose of distilling alcohol is usually to separate it from water. The boiling point of alcohol is close to that of water so the temperature of the vessel and cooling column is critical. When water is distilled it is usually separated from salts and other contaminants. The temperature is not critical for that process. Ken --- Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
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Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
x-charset ISO-8859-1as for can any new car truck use ethanol you need to check the vin code on the vehicle in question to see if the fuel injection rail is ethanol rated , yes they really do have 2 different rails and it does matter to the Mfg. W Scott - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation My question is about registering with the Federal gov't for legal distillation for fuel alcohol. If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? The only paperwork that is required for an Application and Permit For Alcohol Fuel Producer (form 5110.74). At present this form is not on ATF's/TTB website for download. Just a phone call to the national center and they will put some in the mail to you. I have never heard of anyone having been turned down nor have I ever heard of anyone having a government official show up to verify the permit. There is not much to expect from the government after the permit process. You do need to file a report at the end of the year stating how much alcohol you have produced. I would guess that they bounce this information against what number that you file for tax credits. Are you only allowed to produce x amount of ethanol per year for personal use? A small producers permit allows 50,000 proof gallons a year. Personal or otherwise. Will the individual be expected to pay highway taxes on their own alcohol produced? There are no highway taxes on ethanol. Just tax credits. Does the gov't perform routine inspections on a person's personal still? I have never heard of a single inspection on a small producers permit. Also, what would make a good denaturant? Some acceptable denaturants are: gasoline, kerosene, deodorized kerosene, rubber hydrocarbon solvent, methyl isobutyl and mixed isomers of nitropropane. Final question to members-how does straight ethanol perform in fuel injected gasoline engines? Great ! You can go to GM, Dodge and Ford and buy it off the showroom floor. Thanks. Jonathan. Hope that this helps. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Serving The World With Stills - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
My question is about registering with the Federal gov't for legal distillation for fuel alcohol. If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? The only paperwork that is required for an Application and Permit For Alcohol Fuel Producer (form 5110.74). At present this form is not on ATFs/TTB website for download. Just a phone call to the national center and they will put some in the mail to you. I have never heard of anyone having been turned down nor have I ever heard of anyone having a government official show up to verify the permit. There is not much to expect from the government after the permit process. You do need to file a report at the end of the year stating how much alcohol you have produced. I would guess that they bounce this information against what number that you file for tax credits. Are you only allowed to produce x amount of ethanol per year for personal use? A small producers permit allows 50,000 proof gallons a year. Personal or otherwise. Will the individual be expected to pay highway taxes on their own alcohol produced? There are no highway taxes on ethanol. Just tax credits. Does the gov't perform routine inspections on a person's personal still? I have never heard of a single inspection on a small producers permit. Also, what would make a good denaturant? Some acceptable denaturants are: gasoline, kerosene, deodorized kerosene, rubber hydrocarbon solvent, methyl isobutyl and mixed isomers of nitropropane. Final question to members-how does straight ethanol perform in fuel injected gasoline engines? Great ! You can go to GM, Dodge and Ford and buy it off the showroom floor. Thanks. Jonathan. Hope that this helps. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Serving The World With Stills - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
x-charset ISO-8859-1standard ethanol production is a bit more costly and timely than most people think, as for the legal aspect of it there are a lot of records that must be kept and yes you are open for federal inspection ( TTB ) as well as state level alcohol inforcement, I have been in the alcohol buisness for over 5 years and the state and federal goverment have been very easy to work with. W Scott - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, anytime the BATF, wants to look around. Greg H. - Original Message - From: j_schearer To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
Hi, I was just wondering how much ethanol I could hope to product in one year with a small still. I am hoping to get started this spring and I would like to be able to product about 450 gallons of ethanol over the summer. Using news paper as a feed stock, would this be a realistic goal? Also, I have been looking around the web for more information about making ethanol. I found a site for making hooch, but I think that fuel ethanol is the same thing. From what I have read on that site you can make ethanol from pure sugar in as little as 5 days, but need special yeast (or yeast with other stuff added to feed the yeast). Would this be a good choice for making fuel ethanol? Thanks, Al On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, W Scott Pyatt wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:03:04 -0500 From: W Scott Pyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation standard ethanol production is a bit more costly and timely than most people think, as for the legal aspect of it there are a lot of records that must be kept and yes you are open for federal inspection ( TTB ) as well as state level alcohol inforcement, I have been in the alcohol buisness for over 5 years and the state and federal goverment have been very easy to work with. W Scott - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, anytime the BATF, wants to look around. Greg H. - Original Message - From: j_schearer To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, anytime the BATF, wants to look around. Greg H. - Original Message - From: j_schearer To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
I would like an answer to that question myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation Which is the better process route to achieve dehydrated ethanol from fermented broth? Extractive distillation? Azeotropic distillation with an entrainer? Molecular sieves? Prevapoation with membranes? All seem viable but what are the financial benefits for selecting each route? Andy Thomson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
Which is the better process route to achieve dehydrated ethanol from fermented broth? Extractive distillation? Azeotropic distillation with an entrainer? Molecular sieves? Prevapoation with membranes? All seem viable but what are the financial benefits for selecting each route? Andy Thomson Out of that list, I'd probably say pervaporation through an appropriate membrane would be the most elegant, the most benign, and probably the cheapest to operate, though maybe not the cheapest in capital equipment. For garage cookery (i.e., developing nations), the molecular sieve is very reasonable, especially if you could regenerate the sieve in a solar concentrator. Extractive/azeoptropic distillation would be the hardest and nastiest, but maybe the cheapest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol distillation
I am new to this group so this may have already been answered before, but I have not been able to find any information on it yet. I keep seeing information about energy use for distillation being a limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative fuel source. Has anyone looked into using some sort of solar collector to provide the heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for distillation? Randall Hi Randall http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.html Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15 Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS Also: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol distillation
how about freezing rathar than distillation... seems to work for mountain shine! john From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol distillation Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:34:14 +0900 I am new to this group so this may have already been answered before, but I have not been able to find any information on it yet. I keep seeing information about energy use for distillation being a limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative fuel source. Has anyone looked into using some sort of solar collector to provide the heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for distillation? Randall Hi Randall http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.html Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15 Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS Also: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
Craig ( Green Bay ) Yes those units will work for methanol/ethanol recovery when you`re making biodiesel. Cost would be your only consideration. I have seen the same kind of equipment on other websites. David Cruse - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation I have been looking at a product for distilling ethanol (a solvent recovery unit) and am not enough of an engineer to tell if it will work - the salesman assures me it will. See the unit at www.rescience.com. His name is Tome Graves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Can any of you people tell me more? If it does what they say it will, it is a HUGE leap forward. He says someone is using it to make ethanol for mixing biofuel. Craig Green Bay, WI -- -- We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. -- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
