Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Burning sunflowers

2002-12-23 Thread James Slayden

BYW, they might want to pick a seed with higher oil content.

http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html

James Slayden


On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, hcr_ii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Todd, when I was a student in this department there was quite a bit
 of work being done on the pyrolysis of coal. I suspect this is what
 they are talking about in this paragraph:
 
 Waste pyrolysis oil is currently burned as fuel, but this can be
 quite polluting, said Dr Dupont. Our system would still make use
 of its energy potential, while allowing the often noxious chemicals
 in the oil to be more easily controlled.
 
 i.e. 'waste' oil from a totally separate process, not the co-product
 of the steam reforming of sunflower oil.
 
 H
 
 
 --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/483/s3.htm
 
  All a bit elusive... quote:
 
  Most methods of producing hydrogen burn another fuel for energy,
  which itself creates pollution - carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides
  and other emissions, said Dr Dupont. Our catalyst uses oxygen
  from the air to heat up naturally, and this heat is used to
  reform the oil with steam to create hydrogen. The excess carbon
  dioxide is taken into the second catalyst, then released for
  storage or use in other chemical processes, ensuring that
  damaging levels of CO2 aren't just put back into the atmosphere.
 
  Oxygen from the air to heat up naturally... Interesting. I
  wonder what their loss rate of catalyst, or energy cost to
  restore it if needed, or life cycle energy cost to refine it.
 
  They mention pyrolysis in a latter paragraph. Wonder where they
  get the damaging levels of CO2? If they were using the pyrolytic
  fuels from the process itself to perpetuate stripping (not
  creating) hydrogen they would be carbon neutral at worst, erego
  no damaging levels of CO2. Not to say that CO2 recovery is not
  intelligent, as it could be used to produce methanol as a useable
  byproduct, among other things.
 
  Todd Swearingen
 
 
 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Burning sunflowers

2002-12-22 Thread Appal Energy

Too bad. Their press release makes it seem as if the process is a
closed biofuel loop.

Todd Swearingen


 Todd, when I was a student in this department there was quite a
bit
 of work being done on the pyrolysis of coal. I suspect this is
what
 they are talking about in this paragraph:

 Waste pyrolysis oil is currently burned as fuel, but this can
be
 quite polluting, said Dr Dupont. Our system would still make
use
 of its energy potential, while allowing the often noxious
chemicals
 in the oil to be more easily controlled.

 i.e. 'waste' oil from a totally separate process, not the
co-product
 of the steam reforming of sunflower oil.

 H



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