Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
MM wrote: Well, I respectfully disagree as to the value of a boycott OPEC theme. This is not to say that I disagree in all respects as to skepticism about looming armed conflicts, but I do think there is value in waking U.S. citizens up to our economic dependencies. OPEC boycotted us thirty years ago and it caused plenty of problems for a brief amount of time. Putting aside any militaristic problems at present, there is still the *economic competitiveness* issue, and that is a huge one. U.S. citizens need to wake up to this, and soon. There is absolutely no avoiding the type of damage you foresee on into the future, as, obviously, it has already occurred and will continue to occur. No nation can so completely export so much cash for oil for so many decades and not suffer economic consequences. This has already happened in the U.S. and may, as you warn, get a lot worse. In any case, part of the challenge here is that a bumper sticker is a quick sound-bite and one must grab at a quick thought or two. So, designing one which does this may step on toes. If you wish to encourage more positive themes, then I certainly see that as common ground. As I mentioned before, I think with a biofuel powered vehicle this could be more important than with an EV, in that it is less obvious when a vehicle is powered by biofuel, so a bumper sticker may almost be a necessity if an owner wishes it to be obvious that he has gone to an effort to use an alternative fuel. ... On the other hand, I suppose you could have a good point that the idea of Boycotting OPEC could play into an ill-placed demonization of OPEC and other excesses where the goal is in large part to get Americans to take responsibility for their purchases and their requirements. Well, I'll see what other bumper sticker ideas we can come up with. MM Hi MM I'm glad you added the last bit. I guess it wouldn't matter how nationalistic you got about it - buy/grow/use American or whatever. But there's surely no need to do it at other people's expense, like blaming it all on OPEC, which just passes the buck and steps away from a lot of realities that ought to be faced, no matter how awkward. (A lot of realities about the 1973 boycott still haven't been faced.) Whatever, it's anything but cool. I think all the demonization of OPEC, and of Arabs generally, is a bit neurotic, as well as downright ugly. Neurotic actions tend to have the exact opposite effects of those intended, and that's indeed what seems to have happened here - more dependence, not less, and indeed it's created the very demons it feared, and to nobody's benefit. More of the same we don't need - we being Planet Earth, not just America. So why touch on the issue of where it comes from at all? Look how things have changed - with nobody seeming to notice. This is from the Biofuel archives: Economic Reporting Review, By Dean Baker, 2/5/01 The Arctic Wildlife Refuge President Offers Plan to Promote Oil Exploration, by Joseph Kahn and David E. Sanger in the New York Times, January 30, 2001, page A1. Spread of Calif. Crisis Concerns Bush, by Mike Allen and William Booth in the Washington Post, January 30, 2001, page A2. Both of these articles discuss President Bush's plans to allow oil exploration in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in the context of... -- Guess? the power crisis in California. -- Uh-huh. The rationale changes, but not the agenda. I wonder why... (not). It is worth noting that there is no logical connection between the two. If oil is found in the refuge, it will increase the world supply and have some downward impact on world oil prices, insofar as it is not offset by a decrease in the supply of oil from OPEC nations. The additional oil from Alaska offers no greater benefits to consumers in the United States than additional oil from anywhere in the world. In fact, trade agreements like NAFTA make it all but impossible for the United States to get any special benefits from oil found within its boundaries, since the United States could not prohibit its export to anyone willing to pay a higher price for it. In other words, it is possible, if not likely, that oil found in the ANWR would be exported to Japan or some other nation, rather than consumed in the United States. So, if the US is going to blame OPEC and those accursed Arabs, why not Norway and the accursed Norwegians, Britain and the accursed British, and so on? Or blame Japan for stealing US oil (no matter where it comes from)? You see what I mean. Gerard Knothe put it like this in a recent paper on biodiesel: Another advantage of biodiesel is that it is a domestic and renewable resource. Its use therefore contributes to energy security by reducing the dependence on imported petroleum and enhances the agricultural economy by utilizing surplus vegetable oil. That seems both reasonable and adequate. For slogans, Mark reported some great ones from the anti-war protest:
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important than it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can give some ideas for better bumper stickers. One good idea might be Support Your Local Economy Use Biofuels This would have a less-strong anti-other-country-message but would still carry the economic theme that I personally I am looking for. There were many interesting stickers mentioned in another thread, on a truck that someone saw. Some might offend the politically-minded, and some were just humorous. Another idea would be if we can agree on some stickers and-or a t-shirt here in this forum we could include in small-type the URL for the forum or for Keith's website, and so anyone who saw the sticker would know that it arose out of discussion here. (e.g. groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ or some such). Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
You mean roughly like this, http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg Hakan At 08:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important than it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can give some ideas for better bumper stickers. One good idea might be Support Your Local Economy Use Biofuels This would have a less-strong anti-other-country-message but would still carry the economic theme that I personally I am looking for. There were many interesting stickers mentioned in another thread, on a truck that someone saw. Some might offend the politically-minded, and some were just humorous. Another idea would be if we can agree on some stickers and-or a t-shirt here in this forum we could include in small-type the URL for the forum or for Keith's website, and so anyone who saw the sticker would know that it arose out of discussion here. (e.g. groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ or some such). Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
You mean roughly like this, http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg Hakan At 08:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important than it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can give some ideas for better bumper stickers. One good idea might be Support Your Local Economy Use Biofuels This would have a less-strong anti-other-country-message but would still carry the economic theme that I personally I am looking for. There were many interesting stickers mentioned in another thread, on a truck that someone saw. Some might offend the politically-minded, and some were just humorous. Another idea would be if we can agree on some stickers and-or a t-shirt here in this forum we could include in small-type the URL for the forum or for Keith's website, and so anyone who saw the sticker would know that it arose out of discussion here. (e.g. groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ or some such). Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
On the other hand, I suppose you could have a good point that the idea of Boycotting OPEC could play into an ill-placed demonization of OPEC and other excesses where the goal is in large part to get Americans to take responsibility for their purchases and their requirements. Well, I'll see what other bumper sticker ideas we can come up with. MM On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:09:20 +0100, you wrote: Andrew, I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like boycott OPEC. This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. Hakan At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like boycott OPEC themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to anyone who wants them at cost. I also like the idea that Yokayo is thinking of putting essential oils scents in BD-- might be nice to standardize the scent for B20, B100, etc... if consumers came to recognize that when they smell pine coming out of a car it means that's it's running B100, that could be powerful. I was told by a friend who used to work at DigiScents that our sense of smell is the most poweful scent we have in terms of Mnemonic power. Cheers, Andrew The Biofuel Business Development Project http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact On the Long-Range Future of Humanity -- N Space Labs, Inc. www.NSpaceLabs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212.219.0851 (office) 646.221.5602 (mobile) 594 Broadway, #611 NY, NY 10012 Message: 10 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:44:43 -0800 From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bumper stickers for biofuel use? On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml That is Bill's warez. Dunno, there has to be something more out there. #13 and 16 look ok, outside of the annoying (for these purposes, to me) URL. 8 and 9 also seem ok I guess. It's something. I mean, if you have a simple straightforward statement, then it makes clear that your car is running on a renewable. This is somewhat less obvious with a diesel VW than with an EV1, so maybe it would be of value to those who do it. They go to a lot of trouble, some of them, to find or make biofuels, and one might as well clue people in that the car is running something special. With EVs, I know that folks learn a bit just by seeing the cars and realizing that they exist and work better than has been presented in some forums. If you've ever driven an EV1 around a city, you know it's an eye-catcher and you'll get some thumbs-up and such. With biofueled cars, might as well make the most of the chance to educate and market. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Hi MM, This is exactly what I mean, it is not US that must be protected from the rest of the world. It is in fact the rest of the world that must be protected from US. The best way to do this, is to accelerate the US energy conservation. They could save 50% of their use, without lowering the American way of life. They could also accelerate use of alternative energy sources, like biofuels on short term and others on long term. The combination of energy conservation and alternative sources can also allow for a more even development of the world and a lot of cash going back into US. California has already proved how far energy conservation can go and they still have a lot of things to do. The Californian uses only 60% of the energy that the average American does. Since they are a populous state with I think 18% of the population and they also are a part of the average American (double accounting), they actually use less than 50% of the average American (minus the Californian). Your present President Bush and his backers are a little bit desperate and one sided in their interests. You can mention a few recent samples of that. - A political energy program that is disastrous. - Drilling in Alaska and other places. - Reduction of CAFE standard and resist a better replacement. - Support of loop holes like SUVs, for oil revenues. - Reduction of pollution standards. - Reduction of alternative energy programs. - Manipulation of oil depletion figures. - Scooping up Iraqi oil with UN food for oil program. - Open involvement in Venezuelan coup attempt. - Maybe covert involvement in the current Venezuelan crises. - Blatant involvement to secure oil deliveries from others. - Invasion of Iraq. - Clear warnings to Saudi Arabia. - etc. etc. One must be both deaf and blind, not to see what is going on. This even if one, as I do, like the Americans. But the very aggressive stands from Bush, either you are with us or against us, is designed to kill all criticism. The problem is that it is solidifying the real anti American views and shut up the more balanced views. Today a critical view of the Bush policies is regarded as anti American and American bashing, even if it is well founded and constructive. Even with his hormone problems, President Clinton looks like he was a very responsible president. I miss him and I have never voted for the socialists in Sweden. It was a moment after 9/11 when I actually admired president Bush's handling of it. Now, when he uses it for support of the oil industry and their interests, I am back to my original view of him. I personally find it sad that if I say that the Americans are energy wasters and that it is ways to save energy. I take a risk to be branded as anti American. This is the same fears that many felt about the Germans or the Russians in the past, when their governments used the same tactics as president Bush do today. In a free and democratic society, it must be allowance for constructive criticism, without being painted as an enemy to the people. I hope that the Americans will come out of this as a great nation, but I am a little bit nervous about it. History has a tendency to repeat itself. Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important than it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can give some ideas for better bumper stickers. Hakan At 11:18 AM 1/19/2003 -0800, you wrote: On the other hand, I suppose you could have a good point that the idea of Boycotting OPEC could play into an ill-placed demonization of OPEC and other excesses where the goal is in large part to get Americans to take responsibility for their purchases and their requirements. Well, I'll see what other bumper sticker ideas we can come up with. MM On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:09:20 +0100, you wrote: Andrew, I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like boycott OPEC. This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. Hakan At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like boycott OPEC themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Andrew, I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like boycott OPEC. This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. Hakan At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like boycott OPEC themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to anyone who wants them at cost. I also like the idea that Yokayo is thinking of putting essential oils scents in BD-- might be nice to standardize the scent for B20, B100, etc... if consumers came to recognize that when they smell pine coming out of a car it means that's it's running B100, that could be powerful. I was told by a friend who used to work at DigiScents that our sense of smell is the most poweful scent we have in terms of Mnemonic power. Cheers, Andrew The Biofuel Business Development Project http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact On the Long-Range Future of Humanity -- N Space Labs, Inc. www.NSpaceLabs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212.219.0851 (office) 646.221.5602 (mobile) 594 Broadway, #611 NY, NY 10012 Message: 10 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:44:43 -0800 From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bumper stickers for biofuel use? On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml That is Bill's warez. Dunno, there has to be something more out there. #13 and 16 look ok, outside of the annoying (for these purposes, to me) URL. 8 and 9 also seem ok I guess. It's something. I mean, if you have a simple straightforward statement, then it makes clear that your car is running on a renewable. This is somewhat less obvious with a diesel VW than with an EV1, so maybe it would be of value to those who do it. They go to a lot of trouble, some of them, to find or make biofuels, and one might as well clue people in that the car is running something special. With EVs, I know that folks learn a bit just by seeing the cars and realizing that they exist and work better than has been presented in some forums. If you've ever driven an EV1 around a city, you know it's an eye-catcher and you'll get some thumbs-up and such. With biofueled cars, might as well make the most of the chance to educate and market. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
Andrew, If you have been around vehicles burning Biodiesel any amount of time you begin to recognize the scent, which is very distinct in it's own right. The fuel itself also has a very distinct scent, which IMHO is wonderful. No need to change the recognition factor, although it might appeal to those who like to burn inscense or essential oils. The only issue with this is that some people don't like to be blasted with scents they can't control, and there might be some sensitivities out there to certain things. James Slayden On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Andrew Hoppin wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like boycott OPEC themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to anyone who wants them at cost. I also like the idea that Yokayo is thinking of putting essential oils scents in BD-- might be nice to standardize the scent for B20, B100, etc... if consumers came to recognize that when they smell pine coming out of a car it means that's it's running B100, that could be powerful. I was told by a friend who used to work at DigiScents that our sense of smell is the most poweful scent we have in terms of Mnemonic power. Cheers, Andrew The Biofuel Business Development Project http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact On the Long-Range Future of Humanity -- N Space Labs, Inc. www.NSpaceLabs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212.219.0851 (office) 646.221.5602 (mobile) 594 Broadway, #611 NY, NY 10012 Message: 10 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:44:43 -0800 From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bumper stickers for biofuel use? On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml That is Bill's warez. Dunno, there has to be something more out there. #13 and 16 look ok, outside of the annoying (for these purposes, to me) URL. 8 and 9 also seem ok I guess. It's something. I mean, if you have a simple straightforward statement, then it makes clear that your car is running on a renewable. This is somewhat less obvious with a diesel VW than with an EV1, so maybe it would be of value to those who do it. They go to a lot of trouble, some of them, to find or make biofuels, and one might as well clue people in that the car is running something special. With EVs, I know that folks learn a bit just by seeing the cars and realizing that they exist and work better than has been presented in some forums. If you've ever driven an EV1 around a city, you know it's an eye-catcher and you'll get some thumbs-up and such. With biofueled cars, might as well make the most of the chance to educate and market. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)
http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org/ some scathing political humor (posters, bumper stickers and T-shirts available!!) On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Hakan Falk wrote: Andrew, I think that it is very little to achieve in negative themes like boycott OPEC. This kind of themes is participation in a very dirty propaganda campaign preparing for armed conflicts. The reason is that US is ready to go to occupation war to secure the oil deliveries from the two largest oil reserve countries in the world, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Without securing the deliveries from them, US will be in serious immediate trouble and a disastrous situation one or two decades down the line. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/oildependencies.shtml The only constructive way to deal with this must be promotion of alternatives. Which if successful, would really have a boycotting effect and reduce risks of violent conflicts. So I suggest all kind of bumper stickers that promote energy conservation, biofuel, etc. Hakan At 11:28 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on bumper stickers / PR... I like boycott OPEC themes... What other cool slogans/ideas do people have? If we can throw out brilliant ideas and vote on them, I know some good designers, so I'll take it on to get some made up and make them available to anyone who wants them at cost. I also like the idea that Yokayo is thinking of putting essential oils scents in BD-- might be nice to standardize the scent for B20, B100, etc... if consumers came to recognize that when they smell pine coming out of a car it means that's it's running B100, that could be powerful. I was told by a friend who used to work at DigiScents that our sense of smell is the most poweful scent we have in terms of Mnemonic power. Cheers, Andrew The Biofuel Business Development Project http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact On the Long-Range Future of Humanity -- N Space Labs, Inc. www.NSpaceLabs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212.219.0851 (office) 646.221.5602 (mobile) 594 Broadway, #611 NY, NY 10012 Message: 10 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:44:43 -0800 From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bumper stickers for biofuel use? On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: http://www.veggieavenger.com/store/propaganda.shtml That is Bill's warez. Dunno, there has to be something more out there. #13 and 16 look ok, outside of the annoying (for these purposes, to me) URL. 8 and 9 also seem ok I guess. It's something. I mean, if you have a simple straightforward statement, then it makes clear that your car is running on a renewable. This is somewhat less obvious with a diesel VW than with an EV1, so maybe it would be of value to those who do it. They go to a lot of trouble, some of them, to find or make biofuels, and one might as well clue people in that the car is running something special. With EVs, I know that folks learn a bit just by seeing the cars and realizing that they exist and work better than has been presented in some forums. If you've ever driven an EV1 around a city, you know it's an eye-catcher and you'll get some thumbs-up and such. With biofueled cars, might as well make the most of the chance to educate and market. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
