RE: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils
Todd, Thanks for the link Todd. I'll write them an e-mail. ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / The main reason to ask for the emission testing results are a worried government. WVO from restaurants always contains some animal fat. Some restaurants fry meat or meat products in the oil. A minor group of restaurants use animal fat as a frying oil. This worries the government when it comes to waste disposal. There are 2 EU regulations on air pollution from combustion. One for burning pure plant derived biomass and clean waste (2001/80/EC) and one for not clean waste including animal derived products (2000/76/EC). Since there have been some animal born diseases in Europe lately the government is very sensitive about waste disposal containing animal derived products. Even though the used frying oil comes from products fit for human consumption, this doesn't give enough guarantee for the government. For burning used frying oil one needs a permit from the local government. And one by one they ask the same questions. Up till now this mainly resulted in refusals to give a permit. I try to gather all necessary information in order to help the companies who collect frying oil from restaurants and sell it as a bio fuel to answer these questions. So if you or anyone also knows an organisation which has already done some combustion tests on used frying oil from restaurants I would be glad to know. Frank -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 25 november 2002 20:30 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the ground, straight vegetable oil and biodiesel in one of their units (one of their distributor's units in Ohio actually), all with fine results relative to the functional ability of the fuels in comparison to the waste motor oils they are designed to use. Granted, that's not the same as emissions results. However, these units are approved by the US EPA, which means that they have to have conducted some emissions testing using waste motor oil. Certainly WVO would be less toxic out of the chute than motor oil, or at least one would tend to believe so. Take a look. Perhaps e-mail them. If you need someone to make a call, it could be done from our end relatively easily. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Frank Bergmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils Hi everyone, At this moment I am writing a fact sheet about the use of used Waste Vegetable Oil from restaurants. Since the ban on animal feed WVO needs an alternative outlet. Because the Dutch government is against tax redemption on bio diesel the most relevant outlet at this moment is heating fuel in boilers to heat for example glass houses. The product board helps the Dutch collectors of WVO to maintain their quite successful collecting system. Goal is to prevent WVO to disappear into a general waste stream. Before issuing a permit, the government wants to know more about the possible emissions to the air. Problem is that I don't have this information. I have been searching the internet for reports on experimental data on combustion of WVO in boilers. But unfortunately I didn't find anything useful. Can anyone help me? Frank Bergmans Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM --- --~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net
RE: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils
Hello Frank Their concern is a bit amusing, considering all the dead animals dumped in landfills, burnt in incinerators and so on. Nonetheless, they're right to be concerned. This study was done to address the problem of tallow disposal from BSE animals - it's about biodiesel rather than WVO, but could be useful to you all the same: http://www.teagasc.ie/research/reports/crops/4321/eopr-4321.htm Cost Reduction in Bio-Diesel Production As part of a programme to assess bio-diesel production from low-cost materials, the availability of waste oils and fats in Ireland and the EU was assessed, and the behaviour of their esters in vehicles was measured. The utilisation of beef tallow from BSE risk organisms was given special attention. These might also be useful: Comparison of the Engine Performance and Emissions Characteristics of Vegetable Oil-Based and Animal Fat-Based Biodiesel Abstract: Comparison of the Engine Performance and Emissions Characteristics of Vegetable Oil-Based and Animal Fat-Based Biodiesel Jon Van Gerpen Iowa State University August 8, 1996 Introduction Biodiesel fuels produced from animal fats and vegetable oils have similar composition. The primary difference is t http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-218.pdf Bio-diesel Production based on Waste Cooking Oil: Abstract: Bio-diesel Production based on Waste Cooking Oil: Promotion of the Establishment of an Industry in Ireland ALTENER CONTRACT No. XVII/4.1030/AL/77/95/IRL Final Report, Sept 1997 W. Korbitz, Austrian Biofuels Institute, Vienna, Austria. B. Rice, A. Frohlich, R. Leonard, Teagasc, Oak Park Research Centre, Carlow, Ireland. http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-190.pdf Prowl around a bit at the NBB database, see what you can find. http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/ NBB Report Search There isn't a lot of information on SVO emissions, not nearly as much as on biodiesel, but I think you can use the biodiesel studies, or at least some of them. The ACREVO study might give you useful information on how they differ. That's here, along with other SVO studies: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#refs HTH Best wishes Keith Todd, Thanks for the link Todd. I'll write them an e-mail. ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / The main reason to ask for the emission testing results are a worried government. WVO from restaurants always contains some animal fat. Some restaurants fry meat or meat products in the oil. A minor group of restaurants use animal fat as a frying oil. This worries the government when it comes to waste disposal. There are 2 EU regulations on air pollution from combustion. One for burning pure plant derived biomass and clean waste (2001/80/EC) and one for not clean waste including animal derived products (2000/76/EC). Since there have been some animal born diseases in Europe lately the government is very sensitive about waste disposal containing animal derived products. Even though the used frying oil comes from products fit for human consumption, this doesn't give enough guarantee for the government. For burning used frying oil one needs a permit from the local government. And one by one they ask the same questions. Up till now this mainly resulted in refusals to give a permit. I try to gather all necessary information in order to help the companies who collect frying oil from restaurants and sell it as a bio fuel to answer these questions. So if you or anyone also knows an organisation which has already done some combustion tests on used frying oil from restaurants I would be glad to know. Frank -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 25 november 2002 20:30 Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the ground, straight vegetable oil and biodiesel in one of their units (one of their distributor's units in Ohio actually), all with fine results relative to the functional ability of the fuels in comparison to the waste motor oils they are designed to use. Granted, that's not the same as emissions results. However, these units are approved by the US EPA, which means that they have to have conducted some emissions testing using waste motor oil. Certainly WVO would be less toxic out of the chute than motor oil, or at least one would tend to believe so. Take a look. Perhaps e-mail them. If you need someone to make a call, it could be done from our end relatively easily. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Frank Bergmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used
Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils
Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the ground, straight vegetable oil and biodiesel in one of their units (one of their distributor's units in Ohio actually), all with fine results relative to the functional ability of the fuels in comparison to the waste motor oils they are designed to use. Granted, that's not the same as emissions results. However, these units are approved by the US EPA, which means that they have to have conducted some emissions testing using waste motor oil. Certainly WVO would be less toxic out of the chute than motor oil, or at least one would tend to believe so. Take a look. Perhaps e-mail them. If you need someone to make a call, it could be done from our end relatively easily. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Frank Bergmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils Hi everyone, At this moment I am writing a fact sheet about the use of used Waste Vegetable Oil from restaurants. Since the ban on animal feed WVO needs an alternative outlet. Because the Dutch government is against tax redemption on bio diesel the most relevant outlet at this moment is heating fuel in boilers to heat for example glass houses. The product board helps the Dutch collectors of WVO to maintain their quite successful collecting system. Goal is to prevent WVO to disappear into a general waste stream. Before issuing a permit, the government wants to know more about the possible emissions to the air. Problem is that I don't have this information. I have been searching the internet for reports on experimental data on combustion of WVO in boilers. But unfortunately I didn't find anything useful. Can anyone help me? Frank Bergmans Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM --- --~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils
Here is a link to another manufacture: http://www.econoheat.com/ They even have AC's James Slayden On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Appal Energy wrote: Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the ground, straight vegetable oil and biodiesel in one of their units (one of their distributor's units in Ohio actually), all with fine results relative to the functional ability of the fuels in comparison to the waste motor oils they are designed to use. Granted, that's not the same as emissions results. However, these units are approved by the US EPA, which means that they have to have conducted some emissions testing using waste motor oil. Certainly WVO would be less toxic out of the chute than motor oil, or at least one would tend to believe so. Take a look. Perhaps e-mail them. If you need someone to make a call, it could be done from our end relatively easily. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Frank Bergmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils Hi everyone, At this moment I am writing a fact sheet about the use of used Waste Vegetable Oil from restaurants. Since the ban on animal feed WVO needs an alternative outlet. Because the Dutch government is against tax redemption on bio diesel the most relevant outlet at this moment is heating fuel in boilers to heat for example glass houses. The product board helps the Dutch collectors of WVO to maintain their quite successful collecting system. Goal is to prevent WVO to disappear into a general waste stream. Before issuing a permit, the government wants to know more about the possible emissions to the air. Problem is that I don't have this information. I have been searching the internet for reports on experimental data on combustion of WVO in boilers. But unfortunately I didn't find anything useful. Can anyone help me? Frank Bergmans Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM --- --~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ·FREE Health Insurance Quotes-eHealthInsurance.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/1.voSB/RnFFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
