Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-08 Thread Brad Davis
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > On Jun 4, 2018, at 11:17, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > Author: brd > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > New Revision: 334617 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 > > > > Log: > > Move /sys symlink creating out of

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-08 Thread Brad Davis
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > > On Jun 5, 2018, at 16:43, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote: > > > On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-08 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 03:29, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:02:25PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> ... >>> So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod /etc/rc.d/ >>> and other stuff that mght

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Jun 4, 2018, at 11:17, Brad Davis wrote: > > Author: brd > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > New Revision: 334617 > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 > > Log: > Move /sys symlink creating out of etc/Makefile. > > This is prep for etc/Makefile going away. > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Jun 6, 2018, at 16:35, Rodney W. Grimes > wrote: > > >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> 06.06.2018 1:26,

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Jun 5, 2018, at 16:43, Brad Davis wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote: > > On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Wemm
On 6/6/18 4:06 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I find it often very

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brad Davis
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Peter Wemm wrote: > On 6/6/18 4:06 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brooks Davis
On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 01:39:21AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 07.06.2018 22:35, Brooks Davis wrote: > > You see, my point is that you can never know beforehand of all > challenges a sysadmin faces in fields. > And there should be really good reason to break things that work

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 10:17:44PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 07.06.2018 22:00, Brad Davis wrote: > > >> You see, my point is that you can never know beforehand of all > >> challenges a sysadmin faces in fields. > >> And there should be really good reason to break things that work before. >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Eugene Grosbein
07.06.2018 22:35, Brooks Davis wrote: You see, my point is that you can never know beforehand of all challenges a sysadmin faces in fields. And there should be really good reason to break things that work before. Like, solving some significant issue we have with current

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Emmanuel Vadot
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:33:29 + Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 11:27:20PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:06:48PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > ... > > > I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are > > > *binaries*. >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Eugene Grosbein
07.06.2018 22:00, Brad Davis wrote: >> You see, my point is that you can never know beforehand of all >> challenges a sysadmin faces in fields. >> And there should be really good reason to break things that work before. >> Like, solving some significant issue we have with current setup. Do we

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brad Davis
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 07.06.2018 20:17, Brad Davis wrote: > > >>> I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are > >>> *binaries*. > >> > >> This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had /etc/ > >> rc.serial > >> supposed

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Eugene Grosbein
07.06.2018 20:17, Brad Davis wrote: >>> I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are >>> *binaries*. >> >> This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had /etc/ >> rc.serial >> supposed to be user-modified to contain local settings for serial ports >>

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brad Davis
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, at 1:29 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:02:25PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > ... > > > So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod /etc/rc.d/ > > > and other stuff that

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brad Davis
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 07.06.2018 3:06, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are > > *binaries*. > > This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had /etc/ > rc.serial > supposed to be

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Brad Davis
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > > > 06.06.2018

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
[ CC list trimmed, was too long ] On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 01:16:01PM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:33:29 + > Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 11:27:20PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > I proposed to move them somewhere, e.g. to /sbin/rc* or

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 11:27:20PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:06:48PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > > ... > > I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are > > *binaries*. No, they are not, they are scripts. > I proposed to move them

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 11:27:20PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:06:48PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-07 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:02:25PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > ... > > So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod /etc/rc.d/ > > and other stuff that mght exist? > > One of the reasons that etc/Makefile is detached from

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Eugene Grosbein
07.06.2018 7:27, Ian Lepore wrote: >>> I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are >>> *binaries*. >> This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had >> /etc/rc.serial >> supposed to be user-modified to contain local settings for serial >> ports (uncluding

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Ian Lepore
On Thu, 2018-06-07 at 07:20 +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 07.06.2018 3:06, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > I don't understand the drama over this.  rc.d startup scripts are > > *binaries*. > This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had > /etc/rc.serial > supposed to be

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Eugene Grosbein
07.06.2018 3:06, Ian Lepore wrote: > I don't understand the drama over this. rc.d startup scripts are > *binaries*. This is plain wrong. Example: before introduction of rcNG we had /etc/rc.serial supposed to be user-modified to contain local settings for serial ports (uncluding USB serial).

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> I find it

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:06:48PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Ian Lepore
On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > > > > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <1528231489.2440725.1397620864.5987B9ED@webmail.messagingengi ne.com> , Brad Davis writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --_--=_152823148924407253 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Brad Davis
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> I find it often very useful

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > > > >>> I find it often very useful to do > > > >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) > > > >>> Same for

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Brad Davis
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 2:25 AM, Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 05.06.18 um 22:43 schrieb Brad Davis: > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote: > >> On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > >> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Jun

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-06 Thread Stefan Esser
Am 05.06.18 um 22:43 schrieb Brad Davis: > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote: >> On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >> >>> I find it

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Brad Davis
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > > >>> I find it often very useful to do > > >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) > > >>> Same for defaults and

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Brad Davis
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Renato Botelho wrote: > On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > >>> I find it often very useful to do > >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Eugene Grosbein
06.06.2018 2:28, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >> I found that "mergemaster -iFUP" deals with unchanged files including >> mentioned rc* scripts just fine. >> That is, it automatically refreshes unchanged files without any silly >> questions just for change of $FreeBSD$. > > No, you missed the

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > >>> I find it often very useful to do > >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) > >>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact contains > >>> non-editable

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Renato Botelho
On 05/06/18 15:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>> I find it often very useful to do >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) >>> Same for defaults and several other

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Eugene Grosbein
06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>> I find it often very useful to do >>> (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) >>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact contains >>> non-editable content. Is this planned to keep working ? >> >> The short answer is, no. All

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 12:13:05PM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > I find it often very useful to do > > (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) > > Same for defaults and several other directories which in fact contains > > non-editable

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Brad Davis
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:24:02AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > > > > Quoting Brad Davis (from Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:55:50 > > > -0600): > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4,

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:24:02AM -0600, Brad Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > > Quoting Brad Davis (from Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:55:50 > > -0600): > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >> [ Charset UTF-8

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Brad Davis
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > Quoting Brad Davis (from Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:55:50 -0600): > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > >> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Rodney W. Grimes

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-05 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Brad Davis (from Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:55:50 -0600): On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Brad Davis
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > > > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
[ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Brad Davis
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > > Author: brd > > > > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > >

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > > > Author: brd > > > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > > > New Revision: 334617 > > > > URL:

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Brad Davis
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > > Author: brd > > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > > New Revision: 334617 > > > URL:

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Brad Davis
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Kyle Evans wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > Author: brd > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > New Revision: 334617 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 > > > > Log: > > Move /sys symlink creating out of

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
[ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > > Author: brd > > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > > New Revision: 334617 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 > > > > Log: > > Move /sys symlink creating out of

Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Kyle Evans
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Brad Davis wrote: > Author: brd > Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 > New Revision: 334617 > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 > > Log: > Move /sys symlink creating out of etc/Makefile. > > This is prep for etc/Makefile going away. > >

svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc

2018-06-04 Thread Brad Davis
Author: brd Date: Mon Jun 4 15:17:24 2018 New Revision: 334617 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334617 Log: Move /sys symlink creating out of etc/Makefile. This is prep for etc/Makefile going away. Approved by: bapt (mentor) Modified: head/Makefile.inc1