Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-20 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:33:11AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 21.01.2020 0:22, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > >> ... > >> It was fine before clang-[78]. Buy nowadays, yes, I'm forced to use > >> multiple knobs for src.conf > >> >

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-20 Thread Eugene Grosbein
21.01.2020 0:22, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> ... >> It was fine before clang-[78]. Buy nowadays, yes, I'm forced to use >> multiple knobs for src.conf >> >> WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ALL= >> WITH_LLVM_TARGET_X86= >> WITHOUT_CLANG_FULL= >

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-20 Thread Alexey Dokuchaev
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > ... > It was fine before clang-[78]. Buy nowadays, yes, I'm forced to use > multiple knobs for src.conf > > WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ALL= > WITH_LLVM_TARGET_X86= > WITHOUT_CLANG_FULL= Thanks, I've added them (with =yes part) to my /etc

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Eugene Grosbein
17.01.2020 21:08, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > I am cleary understund you provide expirence from satble/10 to > current/13? > w/ different clang, kernel, etc? No, I'm talking about production and recent stable/11. ___ svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing lis

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:17:11PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM > needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC > >>> > >>> /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM > >>> install -- use poudriere and release

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Eugene Grosbein
17.01.2020 19:58, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC >>> >>> /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM >>> install -- use poudriere and release build on dedicated build host a

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 07:35:02PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 17.01.2020 18:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > >> Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM > >> needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC > > > > /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM >

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Eugene Grosbein
17.01.2020 18:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> Considering /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj and amount of RAM >> needed to keep metadata in ZFS ARC > > /usr/ports, /usr/src and /usr/obj don't need be exist on low-RAM > install -- use poudriere and release build on dedicated build host and > appl

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:19:52PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > > > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 16:03, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:43:37PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > >> 16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbei

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-17 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:12:22PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 17.01.2020 7:03, Slawa Olhovchenkov write: > > There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: > small i386 virtual guests > or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Eugene Grosbein
17.01.2020 7:03, Slawa Olhovchenkov write: There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with bhyve and multiple guests that need lots of memory and shou

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:43:37PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > >> > >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small > >> i386 virtual guests > >> or 32-bit only hardwar

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Devin Teske
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 01:01, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > > On 16/01/2020 7:27 pm, Colin Percival wrote: >> On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: >>> On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: > bsdinstall: Change "default" (fi

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Kubilay Kocak
On 16/01/2020 7:27 pm, Colin Percival wrote: On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote:   bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS Plus I miss from here the relontes

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Colin Percival
On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: > On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: >> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: >>>   bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS > >> Plus I miss from here the relontes tag. > > I'm not sure if this merits a

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small >> i386 virtual guests >> or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with >> bhyve and multiple gues

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small >> i386 virtual guests >> or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with >> bhyve and multiple gues

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 New Revision: 356758 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/356758 Log: bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partiti

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On 15/01/2020 16:41, Ed Maste wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with bhyve and multiple guests that n

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Ed Maste
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small > i386 virtual guests > or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with > bhyve and multiple guests > that need lots of memory and should

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 3:32, Warner Losh wrote: > unless your work load hits the fairly narrow range where ZFS isn't so good. > > [*] Netflix uses UFS because of sendfile efficiencies There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Warner Losh
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:10 PM Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > I agree -- this seems like a really big change, especially with no > discussion. > I agree this is the right thing to do. ZFS is the best fit for most people (there are exceptions, and they can install UFS and if ZFS isn't right for you,

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
I agree -- this seems like a really big change, especially with no discussion. -Nathan On 2020-01-15 10:57, Oliver Pinter wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods > wrote: > > Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) > Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 >

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Oliver Pinter
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: > Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) > Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 > New Revision: 356758 > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/356758 > > Log: > bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS > > Reported by: Ru