RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Sure, I'd trade away 90% of those Suspended too, the same way I'd trade away 2 or 3 of my Ultima 4... if anybody wanted them! :) Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I thought of habyt, hobit, but ended up with hobbyt, how does it sound? Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. You have just stated that about 50% of game collectors in the world,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Hugh Falk wrote, Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Jim Leonard wrote: He is? What's his name, if I may ask? I'm a numismatic myself, but a small one at that. Robert Leonard. Although he's bigger in the States than international... although he was president of the ANA (American Numismatics Association) for a year. I should add that he

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic, and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else). My father is one of the world's most

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not. You can get backups everywhere, and most of the times you probably have one handy yourself, so why worry? :) Not the point --

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic, and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else). My father is one of the world's most renouned Numismatists

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not. I can more easily find floppies from a rare game than a box from a rare game You can get backups everywhere,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever. It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :) No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever. It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :) No, but it *is* the floppies that make

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
About Murder on the Zinderneuf...I have the DOS version, and I'm in the Northern Hemisphere! :-) I had no idea it was valuable at all. I don't remember where/when I got mine, but the person would have been lucky to get $5 for it. I don't see how the DOS version would have been especially rare.

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Jim, I've sent Jon Freeman a note asking if a DOS version of CCC exists. He made the game and has an excellent memory, so I should be able to let you know soon. Why isn't Quest for the Ring at the top of my list? You should read my thoughts about what makes a game valuable. It can be found

[SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Both of you make excellent points. I tend to side more with Pedro. In the long run, the packaging is more valuable to a collector. However, Jim is also right...the data is very valuable to preserve. The difference is that once the data is preserved (copied onto other media) it is no longer a

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value at all in a software package that is missing the

Re: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Hugh Falk boldly stated: So there are two types of people here: Collectors (represented by Pedro) and Data Preservationists (represented by Jim). Both are noble causes that can keep you busy for a long time. I don't know about DOS games, but just about every Apple game is already available on

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or Fractalus or CCnChomp rare. I have Zinderneuf; I have strong info that CCnChomp exists; Fractalus is an unconfirmed rumor. Honestly, the boxes mean jack squat to me right now about those PC titles ;-) That's

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: About Murder on the Zinderneuf...I have the DOS version, and I'm in the Northern Hemisphere! :-) I had no idea it was valuable at all. I don't That's because the DOS version isn't DOS -- it's a booter. You must have a cracked copy. Unless, of course, my sources are

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: Jim Leonard boldly stated: That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value at all in a software

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are certainly other games that are rarer. What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought prototypes were the Holy Grail of cart

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on the EA label: IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for

Re: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: Hugh Falk boldly stated: So there are two types of people here: Collectors (represented by Pedro) and Data Preservationists (represented by Jim). Both are noble causes that can keep you busy for a long time. I don't know about DOS games, but just about every

Re: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: A large majority of them are uncracked. Most of the C-64 (and later) stuff I've seen is cracked...but not Apple. Now, or earlier? I went bonkers when I discovered Asimov, and the 150 or so images I tested out were at least 90-95% cracked. Maybe I got lucky... or maybe

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on the EA label: IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ PC does not equal DOS. It is a bootable disk, like Pinball Construction Set, Music Construction Set, Dr J. and Larry Bird go One on One, and other conversions.

RE: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
The DVD project sounds awesome...please let me know more! Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable? Hugh Falk wrote: A large

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: Lee K. Seitz wrote: them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are certainly other games that are rarer. What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought prototypes were

Re: [SWCollect] Data or Packaging...which is more valuable?

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: ..unless those archives go away. I have mirrored as much as Asimov as I can, but it won't be around forever... Now that's a scary thought. Life without Asimov, etc. A few years ago, I took advantage of the fast connection and a new CD-ROM burner at work to make a

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Okay, well the word has come back from Jon, and the answer is...inconclusive. He said there wasn't one when he left Epyx to form Free Fall Associates in 81 (which makes sense, of course). However, there could have been one made later on. I do know that there was a C-64 version made in 83 so

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Okay, well the word has come back from Jon, and the answer is...inconclusive. He said there wasn't one when he left Epyx to form Free Fall Associates in 81 (which makes sense, of course). However, there could have been one made later on. That is exactly the answer I got