Re: [SWCollect] Mt. Drash cassette and market value
Lee K. Seitz wrote: Second was a vintage Pac-Man tie. Again, I'd never seen one, just the ad in the back of a video game book I'd gotten in the early '80s. I put the fact I wanted one in my signature, so it got posted all over Usenet. Not sure if you're interested, but there's a pair of Pac-Man shoelaces on eBay atm :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3071890836category=4315 Ms Pac Man version too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3071889305category=4315 -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 37K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily
Thanks for the report Jim, looking forward to check that one out too. Nevertheless, the important question remains: will it run Ultima 7 with its Voodoo Memory System? ;) -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 37K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13-01-2004 21:01 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect I've been tinkering with this for a month now and have had such great success that I thought I'd inform everyone about it: dosbox.sourceforge.net It emulates a generic x86 with VGA/EGA/CGA/Tandy and Adlib/Sound Blaster/Tandy sound. You can dial the cycles per second so you can adjust the speed of the emulation exactly. You can even take perfect screenshots and dump sound to .wav files. And the scary thing is: It works. I mean, it works REALLY well. Even timing-dependant games that output digitized sound through the PC speaker work (and you can dump it to a .wav!). Everything is loaded high except the interrupt table, so you get 637K free DOS RAM (that is not a typo). And you can dial the speed of the emulation using hotkeys while the game is running to make fine adjustments. For slower machines, you can skip video frames to free up CPU time. I can get most older games running on a 333MHz machine by setting the frameskip to 4 (~17fps) or 5 (14fps), which is the speed most games ran at on an 8086 anyway. If you have a VERY fast machine (2.5GHz-like speeds or higher) you can emulate a 486/66. Places needing improvement: - MT-32 is emulated, but only by passing MIDI commands to Windows, so it sounds a bit off. No custom instruments. - Creative Music System (Game Blaster) sound appears to not work in 0.60. Not a big deal if the game also supports Adlib. - The Adlib emulation is very good, but not perfect. - 386 games requiring protected mode sometimes work, sometimes doesn't. Stuff already in CVS (upcoming releases): - Better 386 emulation (goal is to get all DOS4GW games working like Duke Nukem) - Gravis Ultrasound emulation (already 99% finished) Specific uses for this particular group: - Run your old collectable games again, under Windows! - Hear sound and see graphics you've never seen before (IBM PCjr/Tandy graphics and sound, like King's Quest 1-3, etc.) - Hear Sound Blaster sound you may have not heard before due to poor compatibility (Rise of the Dragon, Stellar 7, Tongue of the Fatman) - Run games that simply do not work properly on anything fast (Mean Streets, Dark Castle, It Came From The Desert, Moebius, Windwalker, Sorcerian) - Take screenshots of your favorite games for personal webpages - Record your favorite Adlib and Tandy game tunes to .WAV (be sure to set the Adlib emulation to 44100Hz output for best fidelity) I am not associated with the project, but I love the product. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings:http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
Edward Franks wrote: On Jan 14, 2004, at 11:07 AM, Pedro Quaresma wrote: [Snip] Me too, but it's still too arcade-ish. It didn't seem that way to me, but then I play a fair amount first person shooters. Combat seemed reasonably fluid. It is a good thing we have some variety in the genre. :-D Oh yes, no doubt. The problem is you never get all the things you want in the same game! :) Look exclusively at 2002, so many great different RPGs... nevertheless I'd love to have one with the graphics/settings/sounds of Morrowind, plus the interface/visual perspective of Divine Divinity, plus the combat/items/multiplayer system of Prince of Qin... Another flaw is the complete inbalance between magic users and melee-types. Spellcasters really get the shaft in this game. That depends on how you build your character. My wife played the mage-type where you need to be attacked by magic to 'recharge' your own magic. She did quite well in the game that way. Ah yes the Atronach sign. 85% of Morrowind's players, spellcasters or not, pick that sign! She did play through Arena with the same type of character so that may have made the difference. That's a possibility. I have started Morrowind four times, and the character I feel most comfortable with is the one I used on Arena, Daggerfall and Battlespire: the melee type with magical support aka Spellsword. Since you can enchant any item you want with any spell in the game (not to mention the scrolls), I can have a fully armored knight summonning a Daedroth and a Golden Saint, before discharging the 10 charges of Drathis Soulrot from my magical ring onto a crowd of foes. It's a bit munchkinist, but it does make the game for melee-types easier than for spellcasters. [Snip] Yes, but if I put an armor on the mage, I can take it off and my problems are solved. Now if I start a Weaponmaster wannabe with 10 int, or if I give my archer-type Fighter the knockdown feat... I guess I'm not understanding your point. Are you saying that the system should be rigid enough to stop you from making that choice? No, I'm just saying that the system is great but does have that flaw. It should _not_ stop me from doing dumb choices, but the fact is, I can make them and I have to live with them. In p'n'p you can ask your nice DM if he'll let you swap If you are then you're really wanted 1st or 2nd edition (A)DD where you can't do quite a bit. If you want a system flexible enough to allow lots of player options then you have to let the player make these types of mistakes. I agree with you that ADD 3 (and ADD 3.5) is extraordinarily flexible. Nevertheless, you originally said it was very simple, and that's where I disagreed. It's not simple for a new player to understand some basic notions like the Base Attack Bonus, Attacks of Opportunity, maximum Dex bonuses to AC, etc. I'm not trying to put Jim away from ADD3, far from it... but making a _good_ character takes time and some trial and error. I have for example played a dozen characters on Neverwinter Nights alone, and I still make mistakes when making characters.
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: extremely enjoyable. It's actually my 2nd favorite combat system ever. What's your 1st? Faery Tales Adventures 2: Halls of the Dead. Combat is turn based, but if you leave the left mouse button pressed, each turn runs faster until it becomes real time. Stop pressing left mouse button and it instantly becomes turn based again. Ever got bored at those RPGs with turn-based combat, in which your level 78 hero has to face yet another rat? Wish it would be over in a second? This combat system solves that flaw of oh so many RPGs with turn-based combat. Come on Jim, long and unusual names are a must... you can't quite have Prince Dick, Joe the White Knight or Mary the Priestess of Tony! :D Tom the Mage is ok though ;) It's not the length, it's the absurdity of the names that drives me up a wall. It is possible to go overboard in medieval speak. In my example, quoted again for humorous reference: Making the ascension of Arrogath in the land of Blesmythson requires the blessing of Gorgonax the Blargnargian during the Time of Rhyne. ..it's all the ancientspeak that drives me nuts. It's like going to hell and finding out that hell is really a Renaissance Faire where everyone talks like that, badly. Am I making sense? Yes, and I do know some games do go overboard. Nevertheless I feel it's a necessity of having some absurd names in order for the player to get in-character. I admit I'd prefer naming my character Arrogath than Pedro :) I do often use some simple names though, like Lyan, Ky, Cinir, etc. It's like being trapped in a Robert Jordan novel. I would sooner claw my own eyes out than be forced to read 10 minutes of that unending gibberish. No offense to those who like Robert Jordan :) OT: The Wheel of Time started in an interesting way, but the books did get, imho, annoying and plain boring after the 5th or so. On the other hand, if you haven't given it a go, try the extremely original George R. R. Martin's Fire and Ice series. After reading the first three books, I know I'll never be able to endure the usual 'clichés' of other typical fantasy books :) (Ironically, Wheel of Time, a game based on a Robert Jordan novel, is actually a very good game. The ancientspeak is thick and heavy but since it's an action adventure it's not as irritating.) When the game was released I was still fairly interested in RJ's books. I never got the game though because I read it had a shallow plot and basically played like a FPS.
RE: [SWCollect] Atari 2600
Both console (and components) and games were manufactured in Brazil, but strictly the same as their import equivalents. I believe there are none exclusive Brazilian games (maybe compilations, I don't know too well), but most hits for the console were reproduced by a Brazilian company called CCE. The games are the same, yet cartridge labels have CCE's logo on the bottom. Imports are your best bet (again, don't know for sure if there would be PAL-M - Brazilian standard - incompatibility issues with local carts), and those are quite abundant, and some are at the price range you asked for (I can get loose cartridges for as low as 1.5 dollars). Boxed and complete games also come by once in a while (right now there are auctions for complete Codebreakers - US$ 5.00, Kung Fu Master - 14.00, and Space Invaders - 6.00) but they are much more scarce - Brazilians aren't know for they're conservation skills :) I'm a computer game collector, and don't know much about videogames (which are common and which are scarce), so the best thing to do is for everyone who's interested to send me their list in my personal email, and I'll contact you individually with an offer once it araises (that way we don't flood the list with this). I can tell you the collectible market around here is small, and you can get outrageous low prices for lesser-known titles (i.e., I got the Windows version of Pirates! Gold on CD, boxed and complete, for 4.00 dollars - and I was the sole bidder on the auction! same thing for jewel case Neverhood). Thanks and obrigado for the welcomes. Best regards, Tomas Buteler --- Per-Olof Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there :) I'm interested in any games from Brazil if in excellent condition, in box with manual.. Are they easy to find? I'm pretty new on the 2600 scene so I don't really know which ones were made in Brazil - perhaps you do? Let me know if you can find something, and if so approximately how much it would cost.. If the cost is reasonable (below $5 apiece) I may be interested in larger quantities - good for swapping here at home :) Cheers, Peo -Original Message- From: Tomas Buteler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 14 januari 2004 22:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Atari 2600 Lee, Actually, the Atari 2600 was by far the most popular console ever in this country, so games (and consoles) are abundant. And since the conversion rate is 2.8 it means games are 2.8 times cheaper for you dollar-earning guys (even more so for the Euro) :) Feel free to send your wanted list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll gladly keep an eye out for them (that actually goes for everyone on the list). Best regards, Tomas --- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomas Buteler stated: I don't ask sellers to declare lower values, unless they offer first). [snip] But as a seller I always ask which value they want me to state, because I believe it's the polite thing to do when trading older games. Well, I *would* draw a distinction between *trading* games and *buying* them. I dislike the thought of being taxed for non-cash transactions. Anyway, I hope I can add something to the list once in a while. I'm not the most prized collector out there (actually, I'm more of a fan of most of you guys, Hugh, CE, Jim - love Moby :) but I'm getting there. I'd say that probably describes me as well. (BTW, welcome aboard, Tomas.) Finally, if anyone ever needs something from Brazil (gaming or otherwise) or hints when dropping by, don't hesitate to ask. H, might be interesting to have some Atari 2600 games from Brazil if you knew where to find them, but I can't afford it right now anyway. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- This message was sent to you because you are currently
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
I released 1.0 in 1994 I believe, and there were two minor updates to v1.2 in 1995 or 1996. It was actually one of only about 4-5 'real' shareware RPGs available at the time. Pedro Quaresma wrote: Howard, How old is The Search for Freedom? About 7 or 8 years ago, when RPGs were hard to come by, I scavenged the net for about every shareware RPG in existance, and I remember playing one that looked a lot like tSfF. Shareware RPGs... ah... those were the days! :D Pedro PS: A big Bem vindo! (Welcome!) to the other portuguese-speaking member, Tomas :) -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 37K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics *Howard Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]* 13-01-2004 18:51 Solicita-se resposta a feldman Not to toot my own horn, but you may want to try The Search for Freedom (see my sig) - it meets most of your criteria and still works in a DOS window (albeit without sound - I havent gotten it to work with VDMsound yet either but it may be possible) So, any refinements to your suggestions? :) To everyone: This is great fun, keep the suggestions coming! -- Howard Feldman Author of the Search for Freedom Computer Role-Playing Game Visit its homepage at: http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt -- Howard Feldman Author of the Search for Freedom Computer Role-Playing Game Visit its homepage at: http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Ive just told Stefan this, but for the rest: n All EA folder-type games were shrinkwrapped when new, so this is obviously a used game. n The tape on the disk sleeves is not supposed to be there, somebody probably but them there due to damages on the sleeve. n The tape on the right-hand side of the sleeve is a common thing for dealers to do when they re-sell used games. This is mainly done to prevent things from falling out of the sleeve _and_ from preventing would-be thiefs to snatch something from the inside n I agree to the mis-use of the term new Ive got many shrinkwrapped games that are obviously new but which are far from mint (crushed boxes, lots of price tags, tears in the shrink and so on). I think the best way to describe a really new game is MINT SEALED as suggested by BL. Cheers, Peo From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 15 januari 2004 16:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase Is there an auction link you can provide? I don't know too much about Wasteland, but I do know that if it's not in the original shrinkwrap, it technically is not NEW. If he had it already, why would he open it? Some inexperienced sellers/collectors will call something NEW if it looks new, even if it's open. Technically, NEW isn't even an accepted term among collectors, and MINT SEALED is the equivilent toperfect condition, still in original shrinkwrap. Under accepted terms, this one would be MINT or VERY GOOD. - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase Hello group, My name is Stefan and I am gamoholic. :) I need some advice, preferrably from someone who knows what a NEW copy of Wasteland should look like. I have included a picture of a game I just bought. He declared it to be NEW, and said he got this one for christmas 88-89, but that he already had the game so he never played this one. First of all there is a piece of tape on the front cover, as you can see. It is appearantly a pricetag, which immidiately suggests it was bought used. There is also some kind of tear to the right of the cover, also visible, where there was some kind of tape. I assume some tape was used to hold the box together? (since it is a fold-out) Manuals appear to be new and not used. But regarding the disks. The two disc sleeves are put together using some kind of white tape, this looks very unprofessional but I have seen that kind of tape before on original old games so I am not sure. Some input would be appreciated, so I know whether or not to complain. /Stefan
Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily
On Jan 15, 2004, at 3:29 AM, Pedro Quaresma wrote: Thanks for the report Jim, looking forward to check that one out too. Nevertheless, the important question remains: will it run Ultima 7 with its Voodoo Memory System? ;) Yes, though not perfectly. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily
That is excellent news indeed! But what do you mean by not perfectly? With slowdowns/choppy? -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 37K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily Edward Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15-01-2004 16:09 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect On Jan 15, 2004, at 3:29 AM, Pedro Quaresma wrote: Thanks for the report Jim, looking forward to check that one out too. Nevertheless, the important question remains: will it run Ultima 7 with its Voodoo Memory System? ;) Yes, though not perfectly. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
Marco Thorek wrote: Jim Leonard schrieb: (Ironically, Wheel of Time, a game based on a Robert Jordan novel, is actually a very good game. The ancientspeak is thick and heavy but since it's an action adventure it's not as irritating.) Although commercially it failed, IIRC. It was by Legend, wasn't it? Correct on both counts. Legend has had some spectacular flops recently, the most notable and recent being Unreal II. It felt flat, which is odd given that the same Legend people behind some of their best adventures in the early 1990s were behind it. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Modern classics
It doesn't seem odd to me...Legend has abandoned its core competency - adventure games. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics Marco Thorek wrote: Jim Leonard schrieb: (Ironically, Wheel of Time, a game based on a Robert Jordan novel, is actually a very good game. The ancientspeak is thick and heavy but since it's an action adventure it's not as irritating.) Although commercially it failed, IIRC. It was by Legend, wasn't it? Correct on both counts. Legend has had some spectacular flops recently, the most notable and recent being Unreal II. It felt flat, which is odd given that the same Legend people behind some of their best adventures in the early 1990s were behind it. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Thanks for the report Jim, looking forward to check that one out too. Nevertheless, the important question remains: will it run Ultima 7 with its Voodoo Memory System? ;) According to all sorts of patches I keep reading about, that's no longer an issue (there's some patch/parser that runs U7 in Windows). But does it run U7? I don't know, I don't own the game to test it :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] DOSBox: Getting DOS games to run easily
On Jan 15, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Pedro Quaresma wrote: That is excellent news indeed! But what do you mean by not perfectly? With slowdowns/choppy? The sound and music were messed up. I got some of the opening music, but none of the Guardian's speech. I haven't played into the game yet, but being able to get started is a big test. I also tested out the MT-32 emulator version of DosBox, but that crashes and burns on my PC. My gaming PC has one of the Intel Hyperthreading CPUs which might be causing the problem. I may try compiling the source and see what happens. I've compiled DosBox itself on OS X. It runs, but I haven't gotten Ultima IV to run correctly. It will load the game, but the graphics are horribly garbled. There is also a new public beta version of VDMSound at http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=2071 which I'm playing with. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
BL wrote: Is there an auction link you can provide? I don't know too much about Wasteland, but I do know that if it's not in the original shrinkwrap, it technically is not NEW. If he had it already, why would he open it? Some inexperienced sellers/collectors will call something NEW if it looks new, even if it's open. Technically, NEW isn't even an accepted term among collectors, and MINT SEALED is the equivilent to perfect condition, still in original shrinkwrap. Under accepted terms, this one would be MINT or VERY GOOD. Once a game is opened, it is not MINT any more. Maybe now is a good time to re-introduce the reason this list was originally started: The MobyScale. CEF and myself were talking over email one day that we were frustrated with MINT showing up all over the place when the game was clearly not mint. What is mint? What is very good? So I started this list with CEF, Hugh, Tom H., and others and we all came up with a standard of grading software called the MobyScale (since there was no better name and MobyGames was adopting it for their user have/want list feature). You can read it all here: http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale So, now you know. Since we all use the same scale, we have an exact understanding of what Fine is, or what Ancient Land of Ys (PC): Box G, Media F, Manual G, Registration Card IM means :-) (It means the item is in poor shape ;-) To answer Stefan: You have a complete release but it is nowhere in new quality or condition. No tape should be there; no price stickers should be directly on the box/folder itself. The sleeves should not be taped or damaged. One other thing: The PC release was never in a folder, only the later box style, so if you have PC disks with that package then somebody made it out of parts :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote: think the best way to describe a really new game is MINT SEALED as suggested by BL. Sealed but crushed games are also covered in the MobyScale :) See previous post. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Modern classics
I am a huge fan of Bob Bates, but I don't think he did that much on the Gateway games or Xanth. Likewise for Unreal 2 - I wasn't under the impression that he was that involved with the design. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics Feldhamer, Stuart wrote: It doesn't seem odd to me...Legend has abandoned its core competency - adventure games. Yes, but with Bob Bates doing design for Unreal II, you'd think the game would have been better. I mean, he's worked on: Companions of Xanth (1993) Eric the Unready (1993) Gateway 2: Homeworld (1993) Frederik Pohl's Gateway (1992) Timequest (1991) Arthur: The Quest for Excalibur (Infocom, 1989) Sherlock: The Riddle of the Crown Jewels (Infocom, 1987) Oh well. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
My bad Jim, I'm actually a little rusty! :) That descrepency with Near Mint's definition that we had a conversation about last year was never ironed out though huh? (the descrep. being that Near Mint: No noticable defects, but not sealed, which makes a Sealed but not in perfect Mint condition an impossible rating, becuase NM implies no wrap. - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase BL wrote: Is there an auction link you can provide? I don't know too much about Wasteland, but I do know that if it's not in the original shrinkwrap, it technically is not NEW. If he had it already, why would he open it? Some inexperienced sellers/collectors will call something NEW if it looks new, even if it's open. Technically, NEW isn't even an accepted term among collectors, and MINT SEALED is the equivilent to perfect condition, still in original shrinkwrap. Under accepted terms, this one would be MINT or VERY GOOD. Once a game is opened, it is not MINT any more. Maybe now is a good time to re-introduce the reason this list was originally started: The MobyScale. CEF and myself were talking over email one day that we were frustrated with MINT showing up all over the place when the game was clearly not mint. What is mint? What is very good? So I started this list with CEF, Hugh, Tom H., and others and we all came up with a standard of grading software called the MobyScale (since there was no better name and MobyGames was adopting it for their user have/want list feature). You can read it all here: http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale So, now you know. Since we all use the same scale, we have an exact understanding of what Fine is, or what Ancient Land of Ys (PC): Box G, Media F, Manual G, Registration Card IM means :-) (It means the item is in poor shape ;-) To answer Stefan: You have a complete release but it is nowhere in new quality or condition. No tape should be there; no price stickers should be directly on the box/folder itself. The sleeves should not be taped or damaged. One other thing: The PC release was never in a folder, only the later box style, so if you have PC disks with that package then somebody made it out of parts :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
BL wrote: My bad Jim, I'm actually a little rusty! :) That descrepency with Near Mint's definition that we had a conversation about last year was never ironed out though huh? (the descrep. being that Near Mint: No noticable defects, but not sealed, which makes a Sealed but not in perfect Mint condition an impossible rating, becuase NM implies no wrap. It implies no wrap but you can always use the Sealed modifier. There are six main grades (Mint Sealed, Near Mint, Fine, Very Good, Good, and Excess Defects) and a few recognized modifiers (Sealed, Compressed, Torn Wrap, Item Missing, Bad Media, and a specialized shorthand for several conditions called Missing Minor Component). So the grade would be Near Mint, Sealed (or, if you prefer shorthand, NM (S)), which would imply the game is still sealed, but it has some crushed corners or something. Does that resolve the discrepancy? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Well yeah, I am aware you could do that, but it could be confusing to those who don't know. I'm just thinking it could be streamlined to some degree. Why assume or not assume any sealed quality on any of six grades if there is a modifier to handle the condition? I would propose a 2 changes to the scale: MINT SEALED changed to MINT with the possibility of the S modifier. NEAR MINT very light shelf wear, no specific defects, just not BRAND SPANKING, also with the possibility of the S modifier. (aka better than FINE, but not MINT) - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase BL wrote: My bad Jim, I'm actually a little rusty! :) That descrepency with Near Mint's definition that we had a conversation about last year was never ironed out though huh? (the descrep. being that Near Mint: No noticable defects, but not sealed, which makes a Sealed but not in perfect Mint condition an impossible rating, becuase NM implies no wrap. It implies no wrap but you can always use the Sealed modifier. There are six main grades (Mint Sealed, Near Mint, Fine, Very Good, Good, and Excess Defects) and a few recognized modifiers (Sealed, Compressed, Torn Wrap, Item Missing, Bad Media, and a specialized shorthand for several conditions called Missing Minor Component). So the grade would be Near Mint, Sealed (or, if you prefer shorthand, NM (S)), which would imply the game is still sealed, but it has some crushed corners or something. Does that resolve the discrepancy? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting mainly because I know it's all in the box, and if mint also that it's all in perfect condition. Other than that, I'm not too interested. I can be found removing the shrink when I'm curious enough and don't have an open copy around. As long as my game is in excellent condition and complete, I'm happy! I do keep many of them still in wrap due to the financial aspect of things, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this attitude would go away much like it did with comic books. If you can't see what's inside, look at the stuff that came with it, then what's the point? Other than being an investment, I see no reason at all to keep it in shrinkwrap. - Peo -Original Message- From: Feldhamer, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 15 januari 2004 21:45 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase This thing with shrinkwrap reminds me of when the comic book companies started to polybag some of their comics...essentially to shrinkwrap them. There was a whole debate as to whether polybagged comics that had been opened were worth less than sealed copies. The consensus eventually was something like screw the comic companies, this is BS, I'm not going to start buying 2 copies of every comic to preserve the value of my collection while still being able to read it, so an opened polybagged comic came to have the same value as a sealed one. The comic companies pretty much stopped doing it too. Stuart -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote: things, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this attitude would go away much I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has *always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was *never* tied to bags, always condition, until companies started bagging them. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has *always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was *never* tied to bags, always condition, until companies started bagging them. This is true. But still, what's the point of having a package you can't do anything with? It's about as exciting as having a comic or why not an ordinary book sealed in plastic. Guaranteed new, yes, but hardly interesting in any other aspect. (neglecting financial value now) - Peo -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
BL wrote: I understand the scale, there is just the point with Mint Sealed and Near Mint implying the state of the shrink on the product while there's also a modifier for Sealed.. It just seems redundant to me. In essense MS and NM are the same thing, except for the wrap. So why not M with or without S to replace NM? If you don't want to change it, that's fine, I'm just pointing out the anomoly that it is and what makes the most sense to me. You write M with or without S but you seem to be overlooking the fundamental definition of Mint: Mint items must be sealed. If the item is no longer factory-original sealed, it cannot be called mint. So there is no such thing as M without S. MS and NM are indeed the same thing except for the wrap. But you're looking at the scale without considering most collections; the majority are unsealed/unwrapped. That is why Sealed is an optional modifier. Perhaps it's because I'm one of those shrinkwrap nuts you mentioned. :) I only collect stuff still in shrinkwrap.. maybe an occasional exception. In anycase, I can't be alone, and if anything, more and more people are seeking You aren't alone but you are definitely in the minority. For example, I don't know a single collector on this list who maintains an entirely shrinkwrapped collection. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote: I don't think it will go away, because computer game software has *always* come wrapped or sealed in some way. Hell, even Akalabeth came in a bag. That is completely different from comics, whose value was *never* tied to bags, always condition, until companies started bagging them. This is true. But still, what's the point of having a package you can't do anything with? It's about as exciting as having a comic or why not an ordinary book sealed in plastic. Guaranteed new, yes, but hardly interesting in any other aspect. (neglecting financial value now) Hey, I'm in total agreement with you there. In fact, I routinely crack the wrap on my software if I want to play the game (instead of downloading a badly-cracked copy, or running a different version in an emulator, etc.). Of course, this gives die-hards like CEForman and Tom H. the shivers whenever I tell them I removed the wrap from a piece in my collection, but hey, I want to play (or preserve) the damn thing ;-) I'm not saying the sealed = more $$ formula is fair and just, but it is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on ebay or in trade. I think it's unanimous that, in terms of dollar value, sealed non-sealed. So the scale was built with that in mind. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
I'm not saying the sealed = more $$ formula is fair and just, but it is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on ebay or in trade. I think it's unanimous that, in terms of dollar value, sealed non-sealed. So the scale was built with that in mind. Absolutely, sealed copies are always more expensive. Actually, I even like that, because it's easier to buy near-mint copies at more down-to-earth prices.. ;) - Peo -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
I think this is partially because on ebay, we have to assume that nobody can be trusted. If the game had a good pedigree, it might not matter as much whether or not the shrinkwrap was still there. Stuart -Original Message- From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase I'm not saying the sealed = more $$ formula is fair and just, but it is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on ebay or in trade. I think it's unanimous that, in terms of dollar value, sealed non-sealed. So the scale was built with that in mind. Absolutely, sealed copies are always more expensive. Actually, I even like that, because it's easier to buy near-mint copies at more down-to-earth prices.. ;) - Peo -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Jim Leonard stated: BL wrote: I would propose a 2 changes to the scale: (I should warn you that changes to the scale were debated heavily for months before being finalized. If the scale is constantly changing, nobody will use it. Therefore, in order for a change to be made to the scale, you would have to point out a significant flaw in logic or definition.) Yeah, and these discussions have a very familiar ring to them. I was going to go back and look at our discussion, but discovered the archive only goes back to late January 2003. I didn't realize we were losing access to messages as we went along. Glad I'm saving some of them for reference. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Jim wrote: You write M with or without S but you seem to be overlooking the fundamental definition of Mint: Mint items must be sealed. Hehe, I understand fully the concepts at hand; but it's that way because that's the way you guys made the scale.. what I was suggesting would require a change you see. Nevertheless, I can see this isn't going anywhere fast, so I'll just drop it. :) Brad - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase BL wrote: I understand the scale, there is just the point with Mint Sealed and Near Mint implying the state of the shrink on the product while there's also a modifier for Sealed.. It just seems redundant to me. In essense MS and NM are the same thing, except for the wrap. So why not M with or without S to replace NM? If you don't want to change it, that's fine, I'm just pointing out the anomoly that it is and what makes the most sense to me. You write M with or without S but you seem to be overlooking the fundamental definition of Mint: Mint items must be sealed. If the item is no longer factory-original sealed, it cannot be called mint. So there is no such thing as M without S. MS and NM are indeed the same thing except for the wrap. But you're looking at the scale without considering most collections; the majority are unsealed/unwrapped. That is why Sealed is an optional modifier. Perhaps it's because I'm one of those shrinkwrap nuts you mentioned. :) I only collect stuff still in shrinkwrap.. maybe an occasional exception. In anycase, I can't be alone, and if anything, more and more people are seeking You aren't alone but you are definitely in the minority. For example, I don't know a single collector on this list who maintains an entirely shrinkwrapped collection. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
On Jan 15, 2004, at 4:13 AM, Pedro Quaresma wrote: [Snip] Oh yes, no doubt. The problem is you never get all the things you want in the same game! :) True, but what would we collect if we had the perfect game? ;-) [Snip] Ah yes the Atronach sign. 85% of Morrowind's players, spellcasters or not, pick that sign! That's interesting. I picked the Warrior for my character's sign. [Snip] I agree with you that ADD 3 (and ADD 3.5) is extraordinarily flexible. Nevertheless, you originally said it was very simple, and that's where I disagreed. Compared to 1st edition -- which Jim mentioned -- it is. For a newcomer to DD and role-playing you are right, it is harder because you have to make a series of choices without really understanding the interplay of the options. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
On Jan 15, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
[Snip]
Hey, I'm in total agreement with you there. In fact, I routinely
crack the wrap on my software if I want to play the game (instead of
downloading a badly-cracked copy, or running a different version in an
emulator, etc.). Of course, this gives die-hards like CEForman and
Tom H. the shivers whenever I tell them I removed the wrap from a
piece in my collection, but hey, I want to play (or preserve) the damn
thing ;-)
I'm the same. If it is a game for me the shrinkwrap goes (if it is
for resale I'll leave it alone). I want all the goodies at hand when I
play the game because that's the most fun for me. Leaving a game in
the shrinkwrap is like buying a valuable painting and then locking it
away never to look at it or like having a girlfriend and never kissing
her. ;-)
I'm not saying the sealed = more $$ formula is fair and just, but it
is extremely accurate in determining how much something will fetch on
ebay or in trade. I think it's unanimous that, in terms of dollar
value, sealed non-sealed. So the scale was built with that in mind.
I agree that weighting a sealed game higher is the way to go in the
scale. People ('the market') values virginal items higher in general.
--
Edward Franks
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Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Stefan Lindblom schrieb: Hello group, My name is Stefan and I am gamoholic. :) I need some advice, preferrably from someone who knows what a NEW copy of Wasteland should look like. I have included a picture of a game I just bought. He declared it to be NEW, and said he got this one for christmas 88-89, but that he already had the game so he never played this one. It's definitely not new. When I bought my Wasteland fifteen years ago it was shrinked and there was no tape holding the disk sleeves together. Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Per-Olof Karlsson schrieb: I support this view too. Shrinkwrapped items to me are interesting mainly because I know it's all in the box, and if mint also that it's all in perfect condition. Other than that, I'm not too interested. I can be found removing the shrink when I'm curious enough and don't have an open copy around. As long as my game is in excellent condition and complete, I'm happy! I do keep many of them still in wrap due to the financial aspect of things, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this attitude would go away much like it did with comic books. If you can't see what's inside, look at the stuff that came with it, then what's the point? Other than being an investment, I see no reason at all to keep it in shrinkwrap. Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How many originally shrinked versions of a game will be around in fifty years? Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
Ed said: Leaving a game in the shrinkwrap is like buying a valuable painting and then locking it away never to look at it or like having a girlfriend and never kissing her. ;-) Well unlike vintage sealed computer games, you can unwrap a chick over and over again. There's no comparison :) Brad - Original Message - From: Marco Thorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase Edward Franks schrieb: I'm the same. If it is a game for me the shrinkwrap goes (if it is for resale I'll leave it alone). I want all the goodies at hand when I play the game because that's the most fun for me. Leaving a game in the shrinkwrap is like buying a valuable painting and then locking it away never to look at it or like having a girlfriend and never kissing her. ;-) Heh, you can't have the same girlfriend twice (ok, provided you don't manage to meet twins ;-) Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase
I always like to throw a bone in the gears.. It's not so hard to get access to a shrinkwrap machine. It's not impossible to tell the difference between an original and reshrink job. Here's some snippets people made from a thread about re-shrinking early last year: - Not sure if this applies in all cases but I've noticed the shrink on reshrinks is usually a crisper type of plastic. Also had a game where I was not sure if it was original or reshrink. The shrink was partially torn It had a sticker on it I wanted to remove so I used the hairdryer (best tip I EVER got for removing stickers). Lo and behold the shrink shrunk big time, shriveled up (and it was the crisp type of plastic). I've never had this happen with an original shrink. - Something that has been re-wrapped should have rough or uneven seams/lines/edges where the wrap halves were burnt together. - The quality of the shrinkwrap can usually tell you. Factory wrap differs significantly from store re-wrap. - Edge wear, distinct scratches or scrapes under shrinkwrap is a tell tale sign. - to my knowledge, no rewrap will have the 1/4th inch (or so) hole on the wrap that is characteristic of a factory wrap. Brad - Original Message - From: Brian the Fist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Need advice regarding a Wasteland purchase I always like to throw a bone in the gears.. It's not so hard to get access to a shrinkwrap machine. How do you know, if you get a shrinkwrapped game, that it is in the ORIGINAL shrinkwrap? Especially if there are no price tags or anything. If you never open it, how would you ever know? Carbon dating? The pungent odour? To me it is absurd to collect shrinkwrapped games at not open them - you're just opening yourself wide to scammers (not that I'd ever do that.. dum-de-dum..) Anyhow, when I get a shrinkwrapped game (rarely) the shrinkwrap is the first thing to go (unless I'm reselling it of course). BL wrote: Well, I kinda see it as preserving a legacy. How many originally shrinked versions of a game will be around in fifty years? Marco Exactly Marco.. couldn't have said it better myself. -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
