Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
..and one that was barely copy-protected. The protection was cracked fairly early on and pirate copies ran rampant throughout the warez kiddies of the time. As a result, only 5000 legitimate copies of the game were sold, so it turned out to not be profitable for the developer and publisher, and the developer never made any more games. Has anyone here seen a legit copy (even just a loose disk)? This is one I suspect would command an astronomical price at auction. I've never even found a pirate copy in all the disk lots I've bought up over the years. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
LOL Wonder if they ever thought about all this 10, 20 years ago :) -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division. [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2 C.E. Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18-09-2002 13:36 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Legal notices are *meant* to be taken literally. And yes, unfortunately (for this particular product) it is being resold illegally. The term selling, in the above only refers to selling copies, but the very first sentence ending in intended for the use of the original purchaser only clearly states that ownership cannot be transferred. Actually, taking it truly literally, isn't the original purchaser the store that bought it from the distributor? Software must be a controlled substance if selling it is illegal: Both the store and Infocom itself are in violation! Shakespeare was so right. B-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
C.E. Forman spake thusly into the ether: Has anyone here seen a legit copy [of Bilestoad] (even just a loose disk)? This is one I suspect would command an astronomical price at auction. I've never even found a pirate copy in all the disk lots I've bought up over the years. I never even heard of the game until I got it from a friend. Yes, I'm afraid I probably contributed to the problem of this game not selling well. I'm not sure if I still have that disk and, if so, whether it still works. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
I have a loose disk + a manual to it (lost the box somehow). Bought it new in Maryland when it came out (visiting relatives). I recall looking at it w/a sector editor trying to cheat :) when I saw references to a COPY PROGRAM embedded on the original. If that isn't asking for it, I don't know what is. I think Planet Miners (Avalon Hill) also had COPYA embedded on it too. Cool game, insanely original, a little slow (easily fixed nowdays). -Original Message- From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2 Jim Leonard spake thusly into the ether: Adam Baratz wrote: (Remember The Bilestoad?) No... please explain... The Bilestoad was an awesome Apple II game that was way ahead of it's time in terms of graphics, coding, and concept. You control a cyber knight as he battles with another knight. The weapon is a battle axe, and as you fight you can lose an arm, there is copious amounts of blood, etc. You also had a shield on the other arm, which you could also lose. In fact, you could even be decapitated, which meant of course that you lost. (Whereas you could run around without an arm, sometimes even two.) Here's some more Marc Goodman quotes from Halcyon Days, if you're curious: And some additional notes for Adam. First, Halcyon Days is now online in its entirety. You can find it at . . . well, the Dadgum server doesn't seem to be responding. When it comes back up, start at http://www.dadgum.com/giantlist and you can find a link from there. Also, Mr. Goodman is working on a new version of Bilestoad for the Mac. You can find more info at http://www.continuumsi.com/~marc/bilestoad.html. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
Edward Franks wrote: Of course, all of this is still being hashed out or has to be hashed out in the court system. :sigh: Good thing we have some lawyers on the list, then. :-) (My father-in-law is also a lawyer, so I've got Fair Use nailed down in my brain) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
Lee K. Seitz wrote: The distribution and sale of this product are intended for the use of the original purchaser only and for use only on the computer system specified. Lawful users of this program are hereby licensed only to read the program from its medium into memory of a computer solely for the purpose of executing the program. Copying (except for one backup copy on those systems which provide for it -- see Reference Card), duplicating, selling, or otherwise distributing this product is a violation of law. So it would seem: a) the thrift store I bought this game at was selling it to me illegally. ([...] selling [...] this product is a violation of law.) Does this mean Ye Olde Infocomme Shoppe is into hard-core piracy just by reselling original copies? Or am I reading this term too literally? Legal notices are *meant* to be taken literally. And yes, unfortunately (for this particular product) it is being resold illegally. The term selling, in the above only refers to selling copies, but the very first sentence ending in intended for the use of the original purchaser only clearly states that ownership cannot be transferred. Of course, this is all very silly. Collectors have nothing to worry about; the verbiage was written as such back then because piracy had a legitimate impact on the industry. (Remember The Bilestoad?) I don't think anyone today has anything to worry about. Activision is not going to take someone to court for auctioning off Ballyhoo on ebay for $200. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
(Remember The Bilestoad?) No... please explain... -Adam -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Buy 1 get 2
Adam Baratz wrote: (Remember The Bilestoad?) No... please explain... The Bilestoad was an awesome Apple II game that was way ahead of it's time in terms of graphics, coding, and concept. You control a cyber knight as he battles with another knight. The weapon is a battle axe, and as you fight you can lose an arm, there is copious amounts of blood, etc. Top-down graphics had extensive detail, rotating bitmaps... an excellent game... ..and one that was barely copy-protected. The protection was cracked fairly early on and pirate copies ran rampant throughout the warez kiddies of the time. As a result, only 5000 legitimate copies of the game were sold, so it turned out to not be profitable for the developer and publisher, and the developer never made any more games. Here's what he had to say about it: Pretty frequently I see the recurring threads on software piracy on various newsgroups. People really believe that there is no impact from their copying software. Well, there *is* an impact. I couldn't support myself by writing computer games, so 'The Bilestoad' was the last game I did. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer Here's some more Marc Goodman quotes from Halcyon Days, if you're curious: I did all of the art myself, excluding the box art and manual art. I had a whole lot of grid-ruled blotter paper and scads of graph paper, and I'd draw pixels on them, and then rule them up into rows of three pixels and four pixels and then I'd convert them into hex by hand. Yeesh. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer I think it sucks that creativity, for the most part, consists of designing even bigger and scarier boss monsters and inventing ever more disgusting fatalities. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer I'm turning into one of those old geezers who is always ranting on incessantly about how much better everything was when he was a kid. People have these awesome toys now! Real computers! Amazing graphics, speed, memory, everything. And what are they doing with them? Mostly sideways-scrolling run-and-jump platform games, shooters, and the latest 'Karate Champ' clone. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer The only debugger I ever used was the monitor built into the Integer BASIC ROMs. I think back on it now and I wonder 'How the hell did I manage to do that?' I must have been a lot smarter then than I am now. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer There were so many creative things happening back then with computer games. Almost every new game that came out was a new way of slicing up the universe. There weren't a set of formulas around, thank goodness, so we had to ask ourselves, 'What's the best way to present this idea?' -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer Working with graphics on the Apple II was a total bitch because of the funky way the display was set up. Alternating pixels corresponded to individual colors for the bottom seven pixels, and the top pixel was a half-shift that changed the color mapping. Then, if you had two pixels set next to each other, you got sort of white. So, shifting the bits in an image so that they lined up with a particular X-coordinate on the screen was a total pain in the ass. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer You look at what you can really do on a 1MHz Apple II in 6502 assembly with only 48K RAM, and you hack away until you're out of memory. Then you put it in a disk mailer or a couple of wads of cardboard and cast your bread upon the waters. -- Marc Goodman, The Bilestoad (Apple II) programmer -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious PC games project? Drop by http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.demodvd.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
