Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Jim Leonard wrote: Anyway, I won't be bidding on anything from him for the two reasons I mentioned in the other mail. Go ahead!! Geez -- I have my own price for these things so it's not like I'm going to be mad if you outbid me. I'm not claiming dibs on these, just letting you guys know what I'm planning on sniping on. No no, it's not because of the dibs issue. It's for those two reasons I mentioned on my first reply to Alexander: a) he doesn't want int bidders b) charging $6 sh for US shippings is a too much. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Jim Leonard wrote: I plan on sniping: [snip] Origin Times of Lore BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Origin Tangled Tales BRAND NEW NEVER OPENED! Ready to Bid And you said you weren't to bid on RPGs? :) Anyway, I won't be bidding on anything from him for the two reasons I mentioned in the other mail. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 19:02 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices I plan on sniping: Sirtech Seven Spirits of Ra BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Cinemaware Rocket Ranger NEW Ready to Bid Sierra Dynamix Willy Beamish RARE CD VERSION Ready to Bid Sierra King's Quest 2 - RARE ORIGINAL BOX Ready to Bid Sierra Championship Boxing BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Access Martian Memorandum BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Access Mean Streets BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Electronic Arts Marble Madness Ready to Bid Origin Times of Lore BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Origin Tangled Tales BRAND NEW NEVER OPENED! Ready to Bid Broderbund Operation Clean Streets BRAND NEW I will be bidding very seriously for the Access and Sierra Boxing titles; the rest I am only so-so on. You all have been warned! :-) C.E. Forman wrote: Watch for my snipes on some of his Infocom and Sierra items... but please don't let that stop you from bidding yourself! - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Excellent, excellent info, thank you!!! Of course, what code of honor do we follow here? :-) As a courtesy, I am going to set up some snipes and I'll tell you guys what I'm sniping. It's probably nothing you guys are interested in, as I am a non-RPG nut. Alexander Zöller wrote: BadBen has caved in, currently lists most of his inventory on eBay for $9.99 apiece (badben1), mostly RPGs, some interesting. Guess he didn't exactly sell a lot of items for the prices he initially asked ;-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Alexander, if you win the shrinked copy of Silver Seed and decide to get rid of one unshrinked one, please let me know. (Also, OT, Tom, mail mails aren't getting through to you again) Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 21:14 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Was the CD version of Willy Beamish a talkie? If so you may have just gotten some competitiion and no lying now! :-) Well, the last time I saw this on eBay it fetched something like $250. That's wayyy higher than it's worth, but this is still highly sought after. True, but the actual 'going rate' seems to be lower (spotted a boxed talkie that went for $45 a couple of months ago). Adventures seem to react even more strongly to sudden demand than RPGs. The best example is probably Duckman, which peaked at an incredible $275,... and then a bunch of people became aware of this gold mine and flooded the market, so we're down to about $30 at the moment (I know one guy on the GameTZ that made a small fortune that way; he was _the_ source before others caught up). Playing Games Interactive still has a few copies left: http://www.playinggamesinteractive.com/item.html?PRID=988178 BadBen: I'm considering to snipe The Silver Seed, and also the GT Software release of U6, as I need shrinked copies of both. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Pedro Quaresma boldly stated: Jim Leonard wrote: I plan on sniping: [snip] Origin Times of Lore BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Origin Tangled Tales BRAND NEW NEVER OPENED! Ready to Bid Why did you guys have to go do this? I have *no* money to spend, but now I'm interested in his UFO, Global Conquest, and Modem Wars. Argh! I suspect they'll go for more than I want to pay, so don't worry about bidding against me, if I do bid. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ Wanted: Vintage Pac-M*n necktie (The asterisk is to keep from mucking up people's Usenet search results. Replace it with an a, if you didn't know.) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Jim Leonard wrote: I plan on sniping: [snip] Origin Times of Lore BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Origin Tangled Tales BRAND NEW NEVER OPENED! Ready to Bid And you said you weren't to bid on RPGs? :) I'm not bidding on these too seriously. The Times of Lore I'm bidding on more seriously than the Tangled Tales. Anyway, I won't be bidding on anything from him for the two reasons I mentioned in the other mail. Go ahead!! Geez -- I have my own price for these things so it's not like I'm going to be mad if you outbid me. I'm not claiming dibs on these, just letting you guys know what I'm planning on sniping on. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Weird... a) He's only accepting US bidders now (he used to accept international, IIRC) b) $6 for shipping in continental US?! (Ack, there's a Silver Seed in there!) Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish Alexander Zöller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 07:20 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices BadBen has caved in, currently lists most of his inventory on eBay for $9.99 apiece (badben1), mostly RPGs, some interesting. Guess he didn't exactly sell a lot of items for the prices he initially asked ;-) /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Excellent, excellent info, thank you!!! Of course, what code of honor do we follow here? :-) As a courtesy, I am going to set up some snipes and I'll tell you guys what I'm sniping. It's probably nothing you guys are interested in, as I am a non-RPG nut. Alexander Zöller wrote: BadBen has caved in, currently lists most of his inventory on eBay for $9.99 apiece (badben1), mostly RPGs, some interesting. Guess he didn't exactly sell a lot of items for the prices he initially asked ;-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Watch for my snipes on some of his Infocom and Sierra items... but please don't let that stop you from bidding yourself! - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Excellent, excellent info, thank you!!! Of course, what code of honor do we follow here? :-) As a courtesy, I am going to set up some snipes and I'll tell you guys what I'm sniping. It's probably nothing you guys are interested in, as I am a non-RPG nut. Alexander Zöller wrote: BadBen has caved in, currently lists most of his inventory on eBay for $9.99 apiece (badben1), mostly RPGs, some interesting. Guess he didn't exactly sell a lot of items for the prices he initially asked ;-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
It is indeed. Karl Kuras wrote: Was the CD version of Willy Beamish a talkie? If so you may have just gotten some competitiion and no lying now! :-) Karl Kuras Visit Our House the online comic strip! http://ourhouse.trantornator.com - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices I plan on sniping: Sirtech Seven Spirits of Ra BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Cinemaware Rocket Ranger NEW Ready to Bid Sierra Dynamix Willy Beamish RARE CD VERSION Ready to Bid Sierra King's Quest 2 - RARE ORIGINAL BOX Ready to Bid Sierra Championship Boxing BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Access Martian Memorandum BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Access Mean Streets BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Electronic Arts Marble Madness Ready to Bid Origin Times of Lore BRAND NEW Ready to Bid Origin Tangled Tales BRAND NEW NEVER OPENED! Ready to Bid Broderbund Operation Clean Streets BRAND NEW I will be bidding very seriously for the Access and Sierra Boxing titles; the rest I am only so-so on. You all have been warned! :-) C.E. Forman wrote: Watch for my snipes on some of his Infocom and Sierra items... but please don't let that stop you from bidding yourself! - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Excellent, excellent info, thank you!!! Of course, what code of honor do we follow here? :-) As a courtesy, I am going to set up some snipes and I'll tell you guys what I'm sniping. It's probably nothing you guys are interested in, as I am a non-RPG nut. Alexander Zöller wrote: BadBen has caved in, currently lists most of his inventory on eBay for $9.99 apiece (badben1), mostly RPGs, some interesting. Guess he didn't exactly sell a lot of items for the prices he initially asked ;-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Was the CD version of Willy Beamish a talkie? If so you may have just gotten some competitiion and no lying now! :-) Well, the last time I saw this on eBay it fetched something like $250. That's wayyy higher than it's worth, but this is still highly sought after. True, but the actual 'going rate' seems to be lower (spotted a boxed talkie that went for $45 a couple of months ago). Adventures seem to react even more strongly to sudden demand than RPGs. The best example is probably Duckman, which peaked at an incredible $275,... and then a bunch of people became aware of this gold mine and flooded the market, so we're down to about $30 at the moment (I know one guy on the GameTZ that made a small fortune that way; he was _the_ source before others caught up). Playing Games Interactive still has a few copies left: http://www.playinggamesinteractive.com/item.html?PRID=988178 BadBen: I'm considering to snipe The Silver Seed, and also the GT Software release of U6, as I need shrinked copies of both. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Stephen Lee wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Pedro Quaresma wrote: [snip] PS: Never mind, I think I figured it out: He's uneducated; he listed Fountain of Dreams as very rare Wasteland sequel. It's not rare at all, nor is it the true sequel. It isn't the true sequel, but it is fairly uncommon, and it was considered a sequel (until people realised that Tim Cain wasn't even part of the project! ;) Wasteland and Fountain of Dreams, IIRC, were for many years the only two post-nuke RPGs in the market Well, heh, Fountain of Dreams was generally considered to be better than Scavengers of the Mutant World. Yeah, I forgot that one :( OTOH, I'd like a copy of Scavengers, since, well, it's an RPG and I don't have a copy. Seems to be pretty rare, I haven't found it anywhere either. Not that I've looked too hard, but I really haven't seen it. (That's another for your list. Superhero League of Hoboken isn't a post-nuke scenario, BTW; it's more of a post-acute-global-warming-and-other-assorted-catastrophes scenario.) It's nevertheless a post-catastrophe RPG, and the game surely looks like it's post-nuke... it's hard to call it simply sci-fi, so Jim may want to include it on the post-nukes. I think there were one or two other old post-nuke RPG's as well, but they were all comparable in quality to Fountain of Dreams from what I can remember. I've never played much FoD, I admit, so I can't share my opinion, but as far as RPGs go, I think we have them all covered... I just remembered a whole new category... Terror games, or do you have it already, Jim? -- Stephen Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
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What the heck is a terror game? What I think he means are survival horror and similar games, designed to spook you. Granted, there havent' been too many successes here, especially in the the olden days (can really only think of two games that really scared me, Project Firestart and Aliens). But it has to be looked at as a genre in and of itself, since trying to evoke an emotion like fear in someone is a laudible goal in the effort to make games a true art form. Trantor http://www.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Sounds plausible to me -- I would probably add Alone in the Dark to the list even though it is a cross-genre adventure. It certainly scared me! Karl Kuras wrote: What the heck is a terror game? What I think he means are survival horror and similar games, designed to spook you. Granted, there havent' been too many successes here, especially in the the olden days (can really only think of two games that really scared me, Project Firestart and Aliens). But it has to be looked at as a genre in and of itself, since trying to evoke an emotion like fear in someone is a laudible goal in the effort to make games a true art form. Trantor http://www.trantornator.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Jim Leonard wrote: Caught this website: http://www.badben.com/ It's bad enough that it's viewable under Internet Explorer only, but $200 for a Black Cauldron? The CD version of Willy Beamish for $149? Wing Commander hintbook for $80?? (sealed, but still...) You think that's bad? The _extremely rare_ Ultima VIII for sale at $129? And hintbooks at $100+? Here's the kicker: Wizard and the Princess by Sierra. Untested, for unknown computer system. $199.99 It's the diskette only! For unknown computer system!! Hey, UCS is very RARE!!! Only 30 were sold in the US! ;) Am I overreacting, or do people (other than Will D. ;-) actually pay these prices? I would *never* pay $249 for an original KQ1, unless it was personally signed by Robert Williams or Jeff Stephenson. I don't think so... well, on eBay sometimes things get out of hand, but I'm not seeing that guy selling many games in a nearby future. PS: Never mind, I think I figured it out: He's uneducated; he listed Fountain of Dreams as very rare Wasteland sequel. It's not rare at all, nor is it the true sequel. It isn't the true sequel, but it is fairly uncommon, and it was considered a sequel (until people realised that Tim Cain wasn't even part of the project! ;) Wasteland and Fountain of Dreams, IIRC, were for many years the only two post-nuke RPGs in the market Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
Infocom's Trinity is... *sort-of* post-apocalyptic... How can I say this without giving away the spectacular ending...? But not really, I guess, in the truest sense of the term. - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Let's not forget some of the best car-oriented RPGs: Autoduel Roadwar 2000 Roadwar Europa They are all genre benders (Autoduel has some Arcade elements, the Roadwars have strategy elements), but they are definitely classic futuristic RPGs. I don't know if they fit into the particular category as you see it. Hugh -Original Message- From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Wasteland and Fountain of Dreams, IIRC, were for many years the only two post-nuke RPGs in the market I would LOVE to know of more; I created the Post-Apocolyptic genre on MobyGames specifically for games like this. For example, wasn't Twilight 2000 sort-of a PA RPG? (can't remember the game well). I'm not sure, but you may be right. It wasn't quite sci-fi, in the least. I have a Mindscape managerial strategy game from 1988 (can't remember the title) that was a PA game as well... who can remember more of historical and/or gameplay significance? I can try to help you with the RPGs at least... I've never played much of 2400AD, but I think it's sci-fi, not post-nuke... Hired Guns, maybe? I'm 99% sure that Superhero League of Hoboken is a mix of post-nuke with super-heroes And you have Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, that's for sure. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Jim Leonard wrote: It's bad enough that it's viewable under Internet Explorer only, but $200 for a Black Cauldron? The CD version of Willy Beamish for $149? Wing Commander hintbook for $80?? (sealed, but still...) $149 for CD Willy Beamish isn't *that* far out of line ... then again, the reports I've heard say that the additional CD perks actually make the game worse. (If you're listing fixed prices, you can charge higher than eBay, especialy if you think you can snag a clueless newbie, but ... eesh.) Concerning Willy Beamish, does anyone have the Willy Beamish wristwatch? (Not a prop, you had to order this separately.) -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ludicrous prices
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Pedro Quaresma wrote: [snip] PS: Never mind, I think I figured it out: He's uneducated; he listed Fountain of Dreams as very rare Wasteland sequel. It's not rare at all, nor is it the true sequel. It isn't the true sequel, but it is fairly uncommon, and it was considered a sequel (until people realised that Tim Cain wasn't even part of the project! ;) Wasteland and Fountain of Dreams, IIRC, were for many years the only two post-nuke RPGs in the market Well, heh, Fountain of Dreams was generally considered to be better than Scavengers of the Mutant World. OTOH, I'd like a copy of Scavengers, since, well, it's an RPG and I don't have a copy. (That's another for your list. Superhero League of Hoboken isn't a post-nuke scenario, BTW; it's more of a post-acute-global-warming-and-other-assorted-catastrophes scenario.) I think there were one or two other old post-nuke RPG's as well, but they were all comparable in quality to Fountain of Dreams from what I can remember. -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/