Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-08 Thread Karl Kuras
So I suppose you don't want me to point out that your website is incorrectly spelled as sight -- unless that was intentional... :-) Ok... there is a story behind the misspelling of site The page was supposed to be C64 Site, but I goofed up on my second logo (the one which was a mockup of

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-08 Thread Jim Leonard
Karl Kuras wrote: So I suppose you don't want me to point out that your website is incorrectly spelled as sight -- unless that was intentional... :-) Ok... there is a story behind the misspelling of site The page was supposed to be C64 Site, but I goofed up on my second logo (the

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a PC, but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that brand a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice. I am not calling that brand a PC -- maybe you're misunderstanding

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: I'm simply saying that it is incorrect to say that the term PC only applies to IBM/Intel-compatibles. Which term? Personal Computer, or IBM PC Model 5150? PC is an abbreviation for both. That, ultimately, is the crux of my argument. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a PC, but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that brand a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice. For example, you could incorrectly say something like this, I was

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Hugh Falk
a site about PC games. Jim runs a site about IBM-compatible PC games. Hugh -Original Message- From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Hugh Falk boldly stated: Well, here

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: PC games are generally pretty rare because people didn't really use the PC to play games until about 1985... I know what you mean (from context), but you can see how this statement could be taken wrong. Am I saying you can't use PC to refer to IBM PCs...no. You can do

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-06 Thread Hugh Falk
Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Hugh Falk wrote: PC games are generally pretty rare because people didn't really use the PC to play games until about 1985

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Ah, but let's keep in mind that we are not limited to common vernacular. We are the experts in this field. We are?! : Just as doctors, mechanics, etc. have their own words and terms to discuss their expertise, so should we. But we do, like the pink frisbee, or the OCCID, or the hobbyt, etc!

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Hugh Falk boldly stated: On a related note, did it bother anyone else in the 80's when people would refer to Atari or Nintendo cartridges as tapes? Yes, and it still does. Although I understand it sometimes help to stoop to that level to find them at yard sales. 8) I believe classic game

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Hugh Falk wrote: Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a PC, but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only call that brand a PC. If you chose to be incorrect, that's your choice. For example, you could incorrectly say something like this, I was

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Hugh Falk
Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Hugh Falk wrote: Well, you can call it whatever you like. The IBM-compatible PC is a PC, but so is Apple and the others. So it isn't correct to only

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them. Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare In what world do

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-05 Thread Jim Leonard
Karl Kuras wrote: I was one of the first 10 Abandonware websites, and I built up the original AB ring with a search engine, mailing list, etc. I was also, not by coincidence, the first AB site taken down by the IDSA. My site was up in 1997. Well I can't say anything personally... but

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma
LKS Of course it's collectible! You never know when you'll find the disks LKS loose somewhere. Surely you can't tell me you'd pass over a pink LKS frisbee or Suspended mask package just because the disks were LKS missing. Obviously a package with disks is worth more than one LKS without and a

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them. Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare In what world do you live in? :-) The Apple II had a HUGE pirate

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Yes, but that's not the point; as I explained earlier, the PC versions are signficantly different, rare, or both. Hence the need to get them. Usually the AppleII versions of most games are more rare In what world do you live in? :-) In a world

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Karl Kuras
I was one of the first 10 Abandonware websites, and I built up the original AB ring with a search engine, mailing list, etc. I was also, not by coincidence, the first AB site taken down by the IDSA. My site was up in 1997. Well I can't say anything personally... but by 1997, the abandonware

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Karl Kuras
That's not quite the truth. Baldur's Gate 2 sells, doesn't it? And it's 2D. True, but it took some 3D products first to qualify this. What do you mean? That it took several 3d mistakes for people to see that 2d was OK too? I think he means that it took several 3D games to make the genre

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Hugh Falk
, but in hindsight, Intel-compatibles is a more appropriate term. Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Hugh Falk wrote: Okay, well the word has come

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Oh yeah! :-) Well PC != IBM. PC stands for Personal Computer. Apple, TI, Atari, C64, etc. are all PCs. So if we're talking semantics, you should refer to them like I do on my site -- Intel-compatibles or Intels for short. Of course, back in the 80's, they were called

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-04 Thread Karl Kuras
Hugh Falk wrote: Oh yeah! :-) Well PC != IBM. PC stands for Personal Computer. Apple, TI, Atari, C64, etc. are all PCs. So if we're talking semantics, you should refer to them like I do on my site -- Intel-compatibles or Intels for short. Of course, back in the 80's, they were

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
: Ref: 02-07-2001cc: 17:07 Assunto: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I thought of habyt, hobit, but ended up with hobbyt, how does it sound? Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. You have just stated that about 50% of game collectors in the world,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Hugh Falk wrote, Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Jim Leonard wrote: He is? What's his name, if I may ask? I'm a numismatic myself, but a small one at that. Robert Leonard. Although he's bigger in the States than international... although he was president of the ANA (American Numismatics Association) for a year. I should add that he

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic, and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else). My father is one of the world's most

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not. You can get backups everywhere, and most of the times you probably have one handy yourself, so why worry? :) Not the point --

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I myself am slightly that, as I am slightly ADD (attention deficit disorder). So is my wife, and we bore two children: one is autistic, and the other has apraxia (speech delay, but thankfully nothing else). My father is one of the world's most renouned Numismatists

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'd say yes. Definitely yes for me. Original floppies are so easy to find Easy to find? Over here, rare games are rare, disks only or not. I can more easily find floppies from a rare game than a box from a rare game You can get backups everywhere,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever. It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :) No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try to collect them -- to make copies before the software is lost forever. It's not the Starcross floppies that make the game rare, right? :) No, but it *is* the floppies that make

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Epyx History (Free Fall Associates) page: http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/epyx.htm Best regards, Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors C.E

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
criteria above. -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Pedro Quaresma wrote: Not the point -- if it's rare, *nobody* has copies. Which is why I try

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value at all in a software package that is missing the

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: No, but it *is* the floppies that make Zinderneuf or Fractalus or CCnChomp rare. I have Zinderneuf; I have strong info that CCnChomp exists; Fractalus is an unconfirmed rumor. Honestly, the boxes mean jack squat to me right now about those PC titles ;-) That's

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: About Murder on the Zinderneuf...I have the DOS version, and I'm in the Northern Hemisphere! :-) I had no idea it was valuable at all. I don't That's because the DOS version isn't DOS -- it's a booter. You must have a cracked copy. Unless, of course, my sources are

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: Jim Leonard boldly stated: That's not quite what I meant, but you pose an interesting point: Is a software package without diskettes collectable at all? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I can't place any value at all in a software

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are certainly other games that are rarer. What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought prototypes were the Holy Grail of cart

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on the EA label: IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Cracked? What do you mean? I have the original box and disk that says on the EA label: IBM XT, PC, PCjr, COMPAQ PC does not equal DOS. It is a bootable disk, like Pinball Construction Set, Music Construction Set, Dr J. and Larry Bird go One on One, and other conversions.

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: Lee K. Seitz wrote: them in to get one.) Many people have it at the top of their wanted list, but (even discounting one-of-a-kind prototypes) there are certainly other games that are rarer. What's rarer than a one-of-a-kind prototype? I thought prototypes were

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Hugh Falk
it's possible that a DOS version was also made. Hugh -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Jim, I've sent Jon Freeman a note asking if a DOS version of CCC

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-03 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Okay, well the word has come back from Jon, and the answer is...inconclusive. He said there wasn't one when he left Epyx to form Free Fall Associates in 81 (which makes sense, of course). However, there could have been one made later on. That is exactly the answer I got

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Pedro Quaresma
I think it's too Tolkeinesque. My company is looking into a game based on the Lord of the Rings...believe it or not, the caretakers of the Tolken estate would probably slap you with a cease and desist if this ever became official! Sad but true!:-) Hugh But in this case the name has

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Hugh Falk
PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Pedro Quaresma wrote: I thought of habyt, hobit, but ended up with hobbyt, how does it sound? Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. Unless you're grabbing them

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: I thought of habyt, hobit, but ended up with hobbyt, how does it sound? Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more. You have just stated that about 50% of game collectors in the world, and including reknown ones like Jason P. Cobb

RE: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Hugh Falk wrote, Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond recognition. That means that if you own 5 of them,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond recognition. That means that if you own 5 of

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Hugh Falk wrote, Well, there is one other valid reason. Let's say that only 100,000 Ultima IV's where ever produced (for the sake of a round number). And let's say that half of those have been thrown away, lost or otherwise damaged beyond recognition. That means

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread C.E. Forman
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors Pedro Quaresma wrote: I thought of habyt, hobit, but ended up with hobbyt, how does it sound? Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder seems to fit the bill more

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread C.E. Forman
So I'm actually not surprised that anyone who collects anything has a slight bit of a neurological disorder. It would explain a lot of odd, quirkish behavior. And I myself am mildly obsessive-compulsive in other areas of my life besides collecting. I purchase 2 of everything: 1 to appreciate,

Re: [SWCollect] trademark for collectors

2001-07-02 Thread Jim Leonard
C.E. Forman wrote: So I'm actually not surprised that anyone who collects anything has a slight bit of a neurological disorder. It would explain a lot of odd, quirkish behavior. And I myself am mildly obsessive-compulsive in other areas of my life besides collecting. I think anyone who