Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
> >Just tell him the situation called for him to put on his >peril-sensitive sunglasses and then he wouldn't notice. > >OR > >Tell him that, in order to make it up to him, you'd already included >"no tea" in the package free of charge. > If you ever need to translate something there is a neat site called babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/translate.dyn where you can get even whole documents translated before your eyes. \\|// (o o) ---oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
C.E. Forman boldly stated: > >Sold a guy a shrinked "Hitchhiker's Guide", which he proceeded to >open (the horror! The HORROR!!), and found there was no fluff >inside. Original shrink, had the sticker to prove it. Just tell him the situation called for him to put on his peril-sensitive sunglasses and then he wouldn't notice. OR Tell him that, in order to make it up to him, you'd already included "no tea" in the package free of charge. Sorry, couldn't resist. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Games Nexus Vintage Pac-M*n necktie| for all your classic link & news needs! Lib*rator T-shirt |http://start.at/cvgnexus -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
Sorry; I thought this was implied, but we can't assume anything in defining this. I have made the modifications and the scale now stands at version 0.2.6. When the scale document stops getting modified for a week or so, I'll post it to the list again so that everyone has the most recent version. "Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > >Note that, for all forms > >suggested above, there was only one grade listed for Mint Sealed items. > >This is because all pieces of a sealed item must also be in the same > >condition, since the item was never opened. > > This now needs to be changed. First, add some examples of items > sealed but not mint. Then say something like this: > >Note that, for all forms suggested above, there was only one >grade listed for Sealed items. Since the item was never opened, >the condition of the contents cannot be determined. (Although >you can make some assumptions from the condition of the box.) > > Just because the box is worn, doesn't mean the items inside are. > Likewise, a MS box may turn out to somehow be missing items or to > contain incorrect items (like the manual/disk/prop from a different > piece of software). My wife bought (what appeared to be) a brand new > copy of some recipe software and there was a copy of Calendar Creator > inside, too. Nowhere on or in the box did it say anything about > Calendar Creator. > > -- > Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ > Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Games Nexus > Vintage Pac-M*n necktie| for all your classic link & news needs! > Lib*rator T-shirt |http://start.at/cvgnexus > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive historical PC gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
Very good point. I've got a couple of stories relating to this. Sold a guy a shrinked "Hitchhiker's Guide", which he proceeded to open (the horror! The HORROR!!), and found there was no fluff inside. Original shrink, had the sticker to prove it. Also I've heard of Infocoms with multiple sets of props, and my own Dysan Deadline packet has like three extra "Documentary Evidence" stickers. Also, on the subject of the scale, might "Item Missing (IM)" be added as a modifier for open packages? I'm currently implementing this in the Shoppe revision to allow people to spot incomplete packages easier. And could the "Sealed" notation have an abbreviation of "S"? - Original Message - From: Lee K. Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25 > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > >Note that, for all forms > >suggested above, there was only one grade listed for Mint Sealed items. > >This is because all pieces of a sealed item must also be in the same > >condition, since the item was never opened. > > This now needs to be changed. First, add some examples of items > sealed but not mint. Then say something like this: > >Note that, for all forms suggested above, there was only one >grade listed for Sealed items. Since the item was never opened, >the condition of the contents cannot be determined. (Although >you can make some assumptions from the condition of the box.) > > Just because the box is worn, doesn't mean the items inside are. > Likewise, a MS box may turn out to somehow be missing items or to > contain incorrect items (like the manual/disk/prop from a different > piece of software). My wife bought (what appeared to be) a brand new > copy of some recipe software and there was a copy of Calendar Creator > inside, too. Nowhere on or in the box did it say anything about > Calendar Creator. > > -- > Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ > Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Games Nexus > Vintage Pac-M*n necktie| for all your classic link & news needs! > Lib*rator T-shirt |http://start.at/cvgnexus > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ > > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >Note that, for all forms >suggested above, there was only one grade listed for Mint Sealed items. >This is because all pieces of a sealed item must also be in the same >condition, since the item was never opened. This now needs to be changed. First, add some examples of items sealed but not mint. Then say something like this: Note that, for all forms suggested above, there was only one grade listed for Sealed items. Since the item was never opened, the condition of the contents cannot be determined. (Although you can make some assumptions from the condition of the box.) Just because the box is worn, doesn't mean the items inside are. Likewise, a MS box may turn out to somehow be missing items or to contain incorrect items (like the manual/disk/prop from a different piece of software). My wife bought (what appeared to be) a brand new copy of some recipe software and there was a copy of Calendar Creator inside, too. Nowhere on or in the box did it say anything about Calendar Creator. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Games Nexus Vintage Pac-M*n necktie| for all your classic link & news needs! Lib*rator T-shirt |http://start.at/cvgnexus -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Actually, one more little nagging change? Could we eliminate the hyphen > altogether, making it "FP"? (Just so there's no chance of mix-up with "F".) > Either way works for me, though, LMK your thoughts. I agree with that. Done (but I'll spare the list a resend until a more major change happens). -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive historical PC gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
Actually, one more little nagging change? Could we eliminate the hyphen altogether, making it "FP"? (Just so there's no chance of mix-up with "F".) Either way works for me, though, LMK your thoughts. - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25 > Factory Sealed is gone -- Sealed has been added as a modifier, and Mint Sealed > is now the top grade possible. > > Please review the changes, in particular the actual wording used for Mint > Sealed, the Sealed modifier, and the examples. Any comments, criticisms, > suggestions, etc. welcome. I think I got everything we talked about in here > this time :-) > > > -- > http://www.MobyGames.com/ > The world's most comprehensive historical PC gaming database project. > The Official MobyGames Software Collectables Condition Grading Scale > Version 0.2.5 > > The inevitable legal notice: This document and its contents is Copyright 2000, > MobyGames.com. It was authored by Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), based > on a scale created by Hugh Falk, which in turn was based on a record album > grading scale of unknown origin. Any questions, comments, or suggestions > should be directed to the author. You are free to copy, translate, reformat, > and retransmit this text as long as these notices are included and the content > is left unchanged. > > - > > Background: > > The world of software collectables is an emerging hobby that is slowly easing > into the mainstream. However, being so new, there is no standard scale for > grading the condition of an item, which can lead to misrepresentation of an > item's value. For example, in dealing with other collectors, a multitude of > grading notations have already been found: One list used a single rating for > the entire item, another used a numerical rating for quality grades, yet > another wildly overused the term "MINT!", etc. This lack of standardization > can lead to confusion when trying to assess an item's value based solely > on a textual description of the item. Which grading scale is the right one? > > MobyGames.com believes there's a better way to do this, and has created a > standard grading scale and specification for cataloging software for > collection lists. This system is officially in place at MobyGames.com, but it > is our hope that it is embraced by the collector community and used > universally to describe item condition. Through widespread acceptance of this > scale, we hope to eliminate misconceptions and confusion in the software > collectable community. > > This document describes The Official MobyGames Software Collectables Condition > Grading Scale and its use and application. For brevity, the condition grading > scale will be abbreviated as "MobyGames Grading Scale" throughout the > remainder of this text. Also included at the end of the document are some > frequently-asked questions, and an example collector's list to illustrate the > system in use. > > - > > Item Breakdown: > > Before describing the actual scale, it is important to define how the scale > itself is used. A common mistake for new collectors is to assess the overall > quality of an item and give it a singular value. This may save the collector > time, but creates confusion for other collectors attempting to view his list. > This is because not everyone values certain aspects of an item the same. For > example, one collector may value the condition of the box above all else, > while another may value the manual and included trinkets/props/feelies higher > than the box. Because of differing opinions of value, it is usually > inappropriate to give items one overall grade. > > The solution to this is to apply a grade to as many pieces of the item that > are relevant. This creates more work, but is the only way to ensure accuracy > and avoid unintentionally misleading people who read your lists. For example, > the most common pieces of a software collectable are: > > - Box/Packaging > - Original Media > - Manual > - Reference Sheet > - Catalog > - Registration Card > - Additional Items (listed individually) > > The more pieces that are graded, the better the representation of the item. > So while you can get away with a single grade for the entire item, a suggested > minimum would be two grades: One for the Box/Packaging, and another for all >
[SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25
Factory Sealed is gone -- Sealed has been added as a modifier, and Mint Sealed is now the top grade possible. Please review the changes, in particular the actual wording used for Mint Sealed, the Sealed modifier, and the examples. Any comments, criticisms, suggestions, etc. welcome. I think I got everything we talked about in here this time :-) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive historical PC gaming database project. The Official MobyGames Software Collectables Condition Grading Scale Version 0.2.5 The inevitable legal notice: This document and its contents is Copyright 2000, MobyGames.com. It was authored by Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), based on a scale created by Hugh Falk, which in turn was based on a record album grading scale of unknown origin. Any questions, comments, or suggestions should be directed to the author. You are free to copy, translate, reformat, and retransmit this text as long as these notices are included and the content is left unchanged. - Background: The world of software collectables is an emerging hobby that is slowly easing into the mainstream. However, being so new, there is no standard scale for grading the condition of an item, which can lead to misrepresentation of an item's value. For example, in dealing with other collectors, a multitude of grading notations have already been found: One list used a single rating for the entire item, another used a numerical rating for quality grades, yet another wildly overused the term "MINT!", etc. This lack of standardization can lead to confusion when trying to assess an item's value based solely on a textual description of the item. Which grading scale is the right one? MobyGames.com believes there's a better way to do this, and has created a standard grading scale and specification for cataloging software for collection lists. This system is officially in place at MobyGames.com, but it is our hope that it is embraced by the collector community and used universally to describe item condition. Through widespread acceptance of this scale, we hope to eliminate misconceptions and confusion in the software collectable community. This document describes The Official MobyGames Software Collectables Condition Grading Scale and its use and application. For brevity, the condition grading scale will be abbreviated as "MobyGames Grading Scale" throughout the remainder of this text. Also included at the end of the document are some frequently-asked questions, and an example collector's list to illustrate the system in use. - Item Breakdown: Before describing the actual scale, it is important to define how the scale itself is used. A common mistake for new collectors is to assess the overall quality of an item and give it a singular value. This may save the collector time, but creates confusion for other collectors attempting to view his list. This is because not everyone values certain aspects of an item the same. For example, one collector may value the condition of the box above all else, while another may value the manual and included trinkets/props/feelies higher than the box. Because of differing opinions of value, it is usually inappropriate to give items one overall grade. The solution to this is to apply a grade to as many pieces of the item that are relevant. This creates more work, but is the only way to ensure accuracy and avoid unintentionally misleading people who read your lists. For example, the most common pieces of a software collectable are: - Box/Packaging - Original Media - Manual - Reference Sheet - Catalog - Registration Card - Additional Items (listed individually) The more pieces that are graded, the better the representation of the item. So while you can get away with a single grade for the entire item, a suggested minimum would be two grades: One for the Box/Packaging, and another for all other materials contained in that item. Also note that if an item is incomplete, it is appropriate to label it as such. The notation used for a missing piece is Item Missing (IM). - Condition Grades: The following are the official condition grades of the MobyGames Grading Scale. The possible conditions an item can be in are: - Mint Sealed (MS): No noticable defects and sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or sticker. The best grade possible. - Near Mint (NM): No noticable defects, but not sealed. - Fine (F): One or two slight defects (small scratch, slight worn corner on box, etc.) that prevent a Near Mint rating. - Very Good (VG): More than one or two slight defects (slight crease in manual, all corners slightly worn, etc.). Still in acceptable condition. - Good (G): More severe defects (box slightly torn or crushed; noticabl
