Re: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
I'm not banished? --Thanks Jim! :) I understand now where your thought process was going. I too have wondered about the 'validity' of an item or two, and I can say that at least OUR Akalabeths are safe from being judged 'forgery'-- * one has a Certificate of Authenticity, signed by RG himself. * The other one was handed to us by RG--he actually restored his Apple II just to make it for us--(a good [true, and confirmable] story is the best COA). ** -- The con I just came back from had some people paying for tables out of their own pocket *just to show off their collection*, they weren't even selling anything. And one guy, who owned every single Lynx game (in multiples necessary to play multiplayer, even), had them all out for public playing, including 8 Lynx units! It was very refreshing to see that kind of mentality for a change. ** Hehe--we've done the exact same thing, at Dragon*Con--it cost us a pretty penny ($900 for 2 tables!), and we took the opportunity to also hand out fliers, showing Ultima/Wing Commander re-makes in the works. Although much less expensive, we did the same thing at Philly Classic, using our hotel room instead--and a good time was had by all. It was incredible to see the enthusiasm of our little group, and Paula and I were paid back in full by getting to see other people's prized games. I got to touch a TRS-80 Zork, an IBM Adventures in Serenia, and a Leisure Suit Larry Beachtowel!(--although I think that the game plot-vs-promotional item conjure up tie-ins too disgusting to be even mentioned!!) Joe -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Putting an original akalabeth sticker on a 'non-original' disk is a forgery. *Putting an original sticker on a disk that has the data copied from an original Akalabeth is a forgery. But how could you tell? I'm *NOT ADVOCATING THIS*, just posing the question. Also, Garriot has done this himself -- he has taken some of the original labels, put them on disks, put the program on it, and given them to friends and those have sold for $300 or more. It's an interesting problem. How could you tell it was a forgery? The value of an Akalabeth made your way is exactly ZERO. See above. Garriot has done this and the value wasn't zero. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Jim Leonard wrote: ** Hm... Now see, I would probably take a blank disk, write Akalabeth to it, and put the sticker on -- wouldn't that be worth just a tiny bit more? ** No smile emoticon...no indication of humor...For goodness sake, Jim, I hope you're kidding! Wasn't Jim's sarcasm obvious enough? I think you may take this too serious. Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Jim Leonard wrote: ** Hm... Now see, I would probably take a blank disk, write Akalabeth to it, and put the sticker on -- wouldn't that be worth just a tiny bit more? ** No smile emoticon...no indication of humor...For goodness sake, Jim, I hope you're kidding! Being coy about this is against my better judgement, and if this offends anyone, please state factually that I didn't get the joke. *Putting an original akalabeth sticker on a 'non-original' disk is a forgery. *Putting an original sticker on a disk that has the data copied from an original Akalabeth is a forgery. Tom is correct. The sticker on it's original backing, in the way that it was presented (sold) to him is much more valuable than creating a 'new' copy of a game. The value of an Akalabeth made your way is exactly ZERO. Anyone who bought it would get a certificate of 'UNAUTHENTICITY' on the Museum website. Thoughts like this not only decrease the value of your reputation, but the reputation of the game collecting community as a whole. Like I said, I don't want to offend, but I will stand by my principles. It's forgery, a felony--punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal prison. Joe Garrity -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Well, I disagree that it would be worth ZERO. The fact that it's still an original Akalabeth sticker in spite of everything else should still make it worth something. Stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Jim Leonard wrote: ** Hm... Now see, I would probably take a blank disk, write Akalabeth to it, and put the sticker on -- wouldn't that be worth just a tiny bit more? ** No smile emoticon...no indication of humor...For goodness sake, Jim, I hope you're kidding! Being coy about this is against my better judgement, and if this offends anyone, please state factually that I didn't get the joke. *Putting an original akalabeth sticker on a 'non-original' disk is a forgery. *Putting an original sticker on a disk that has the data copied from an original Akalabeth is a forgery. Tom is correct. The sticker on it's original backing, in the way that it was presented (sold) to him is much more valuable than creating a 'new' copy of a game. The value of an Akalabeth made your way is exactly ZERO. Anyone who bought it would get a certificate of 'UNAUTHENTICITY' on the Museum website. Thoughts like this not only decrease the value of your reputation, but the reputation of the game collecting community as a whole. Like I said, I don't want to offend, but I will stand by my principles. It's forgery, a felony--punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal prison. Joe Garrity -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Also, BTW, I would bet that he was kidding. Cut Jim a little slack here, people... Why Joe, I wouldn't have thought that YOU would be the one to not give someone the benefit of the doubt. : ) NOTICE EMOTICON HERE : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Jim Leonard wrote: ** Hm... Now see, I would probably take a blank disk, write Akalabeth to it, and put the sticker on -- wouldn't that be worth just a tiny bit more? ** No smile emoticon...no indication of humor...For goodness sake, Jim, I hope you're kidding! Being coy about this is against my better judgement, and if this offends anyone, please state factually that I didn't get the joke. *Putting an original akalabeth sticker on a 'non-original' disk is a forgery. *Putting an original sticker on a disk that has the data copied from an original Akalabeth is a forgery. Tom is correct. The sticker on it's original backing, in the way that it was presented (sold) to him is much more valuable than creating a 'new' copy of a game. The value of an Akalabeth made your way is exactly ZERO. Anyone who bought it would get a certificate of 'UNAUTHENTICITY' on the Museum website. Thoughts like this not only decrease the value of your reputation, but the reputation of the game collecting community as a whole. Like I said, I don't want to offend, but I will stand by my principles. It's forgery, a felony--punishable by up to 10 years in a Federal prison. Joe Garrity -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
In a message dated 05/20/2004 10:59:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have the latter, and I'm debating whether or not to attach the sticker to the can (like I found it on my first one). Advice? I'd keep it as it is Jim, you can always attach it in the future if you want, no going back. Just curious, why would you want to attach it unless you were going to sell it? Even then probably best to give buyer the choice? Tom
RE: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Well if it was for display purposes, and he was planning on keeping it in his personal collection forever, then I could definitely understand it. Stuart -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:28 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finestIn a message dated 05/20/2004 10:59:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have the latter, and I'm debating whether or not to attach the sticker to the can (like I found it on my first one). Advice?I'd keep it as it is Jim, you can always attach it in the future if you want, no going back. Just curious, why would you want to attach it unless you were going to sell it? Even then probably best to give buyer the choice?Tom
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
In a message dated 05/21/2004 7:51:11 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well if it was for display purposes, and he was planning on keeping it in his personal collection forever, then I could definitely understand it. Display yes, if JUST collection purposes no. Heck I've got an original on the backing Akalabeth disk label, I plan on keeping it like that, rarer than the game ;) Tom inline: Aklabel.JPG
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 05/20/2004 10:59:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd keep it as it is Jim, you can always attach it in the future if you want, no going back. Just curious, why would you want to attach it unless you were going to sell it? Even then probably best to give buyer the choice? Honestly, I just don't like unattached stickers :) but of course I don't want to diminish the worth by attaching it. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Display yes, if JUST collection purposes no. Heck I've got an original on the backing Akalabeth disk label, I plan on keeping it like that, rarer than the game ;) Hm... Now see, I would probably take a blank disk, write Akalabeth to it, and put the sticker on -- wouldn't that be worth just a tiny bit more? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
In a message dated 05/21/2004 1:58:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly, I just don't like unattached stickers :) but of course I don't want to diminish the "worth" by attaching it. Eh heh, you got bumper stickers on your car Jim? If so I hope they say "Go White Sox" Tom
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
On May 21, 2004, at 4:31 PM, Dan Chisarick wrote: [Snip] On a slightly different topic, don't you think it'd be pretty hard to fight with both a sword AND a trident at the same time? A trident is typically a two-handed weapon. So is a sword for that matter. No, a sword is typically a one-handed weapon. It is just gamers tend to go for the big-phallic-substitute two-handers. ;-) Besides, that's more a rapier/epee on the Akalabeth label, which *is* a one-handed weapon. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Not all swords are two-handed. And that trident looks pretty wimpy... like someone could actually use it with one hand. :-) Of course, I'm not sure that this is the best combination for someone who wants to fight with two weapons! Probably would get a -5 penalty on the THAC0. :-) Dan Chisarick wrote: Tom apparently has the solution to labels falling off of old disks (of course I'm not sure I want to drive four holes through all my disks). On a slightly different topic, don't you think it'd be pretty hard to fight with both a sword AND a trident at the same time? A trident is typically a two-handed weapon. So is a sword for that matter. On May 21, 2004, at 10:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 05/21/2004 7:51:11 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well if it was for display purposes, and he was planning on keeping it in his personal collection forever, then I could definitely understand it. Display yes, if JUST collection purposes no. Heck I've got an original on the backing Akalabeth disk label, I plan on keeping it like that, rarer than the game ;) TomAklabel.JPG
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Nope, I've never attached a bumper sticker to any car I own :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 05/21/2004 1:58:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly, I just don't like unattached stickers :) but of course I don't want to diminish the worth by attaching it. Eh heh, you got bumper stickers on your car Jim? If so I hope they say Go White Sox Tom -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
Let me apply some Talmudic logic here: The general rule is, whensoever A can be converted into B, but B cannot be converted into A, A must be worth at least as much as, if not more than, B. : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Even with my superior powers of anality, I am unable to answer the following question: Which Wing Commander III filmcan is worth more: With the front circular sticker attached, or not attached (pristine, still on its wax backing, inside the can)? I have the latter, and I'm debating whether or not to attach the sticker to the can (like I found it on my first one). Advice? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
And that my friends is the exact reason you will never be able to buy a loaf of toast ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Stuart Feldhamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Let me apply some Talmudic logic here: The general rule is, whensoever A can be converted into B, but B cannot be converted into A, A must be worth at least as much as, if not more than, B. : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Even with my superior powers of anality, I am unable to answer the following question: Which Wing Commander III filmcan is worth more: With the front circular sticker attached, or not attached (pristine, still on its wax backing, inside the can)? I have the latter, and I'm debating whether or not to attach the sticker to the can (like I found it on my first one). Advice? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest
LOL !!! God I needed that! I've had one hell of a horrible day today :) I like this logic, btw. I'm still curious to hear opinions, but I think I'll leave the sticker off. Stephen Emond wrote: And that my friends is the exact reason you will never be able to buy a loaf of toast ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Stuart Feldhamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Let me apply some Talmudic logic here: The general rule is, whensoever A can be converted into B, but B cannot be converted into A, A must be worth at least as much as, if not more than, B. : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Nit-picking at its finest Even with my superior powers of anality, I am unable to answer the following question: Which Wing Commander III filmcan is worth more: With the front circular sticker attached, or not attached (pristine, still on its wax backing, inside the can)? I have the latter, and I'm debating whether or not to attach the sticker to the can (like I found it on my first one). Advice? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
