Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-04 Thread Tony Parker via swift-evolution
Not that I need to say this, but I’ll chime in anyway with a big +1 to what Chris said. =) Fortunately, the current code owners for swift-corelibs-foundation are the same people that work on Foundation for all of our other platforms. That means we’re in a great position to make Foundation

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Trent Nadeau via swift-evolution
Speaking of release cadence, do you think that Swift could transition to the release train model (i.e., staged release, beta, and nightly) once source and ABI compatibility are both established? That would allow a quicker cadence and more testing of new library and language features. It's seems to

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Chris Lattner via swift-evolution
On Jan 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Trent Nadeau wrote: > Speaking of release cadence, do you think that Swift could transition to the > release train model (i.e., staged release, beta, and nightly) once source and > ABI compatibility are both established? That would allow a

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Rod Brown via swift-evolution
Brilliant. Makes sense and seems to be a best-of-both-worlds approach. - Rod On 2 Jan 2016, at 3:16 PM, Chris Lattner wrote: >>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Rod Brown wrote: >>> Thanks Chris. I want to figure out what the guiding principles are

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Rod Brown via swift-evolution
Please see response inline - Rod > On 2 Jan 2016, at 9:13 AM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution > wrote: > > Thanks Chris. I want to figure out what the guiding principles are before I > blow any further proposal-capital. This gives me a good place to start >

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Erica Sadun via swift-evolution
Thanks Chris. I want to figure out what the guiding principles are before I blow any further proposal-capital. This gives me a good place to start chewing on some thoughts. In particular, I'm considering two scenarios. First, are things that seem unnaturally split between both places, such as

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Félix Cloutier via swift-evolution
My understanding is that Foundation closely maps to the ObjC Foundation framework. Félix > Le 31 déc. 2015 à 17:54:39, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution > a écrit : > > Under what criteria should we propose moving items into the standard library > and out from the

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Chris Lattner via swift-evolution
On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution wrote: > Under what criteria should we propose moving items into the standard library > and out from the standard library into Swift Foundation? Or will these things > eventually merge and become one grand

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Chris Lattner via swift-evolution
On Jan 1, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Erica Sadun wrote: > Thanks Chris. I want to figure out what the guiding principles are before I > blow any further proposal-capital. This gives me a good place to start > chewing on some thoughts. In particular, I'm considering two scenarios.

Re: [swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2016-01-01 Thread Chris Lattner via swift-evolution
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Rod Brown wrote: >> Thanks Chris. I want to figure out what the guiding principles are before I >> blow any further proposal-capital. This gives me a good place to start >> chewing on some thoughts. In particular, I'm considering two

[swift-evolution] Philosophy question: Foundation and Standard Library

2015-12-31 Thread Erica Sadun via swift-evolution
Under what criteria should we propose moving items into the standard library and out from the standard library into Swift Foundation? Or will these things eventually merge and become one grand unified module sometime in the distant future? Thanks, -- E