Re: [swift-evolution] Swift source mentorship program

[Chris Lattner via swift-evolution]

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> On Aug 14, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think that "we don't have time to implement this time-saving 
> project-accelerating quality-improving thing" is widely recognised as an 
> anti-pattern (or anti-process if that’s a thing) these days, and I’d hope 
> Apple would find a way to avoid this problem. :)
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 21:44 Jacob Williams  > wrote:
> A Swift developer has actually started a blog series about the swift 
> compiler. The links to his post were posted in one of the evolution topics a 
> little while ago. The series is incomplete, but it gives a lot of 
> explanations about the various parts of the swift compiler.
> 
> https://medium.com/@slavapestov/the-secret-life-of-types-in-swift-ff83c3c000a5
>  
> 
> https://medium.com/@slavapestov/how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-sil-type-use-6b45f7595f43
>  
> 
> 
> I wholeheartedly agree that a mentorship program would be extremely useful 
> for helping others get up-to-speed with the swift compiler. I myself wished I 
> understood it better. The only problem is that with something so large and 
> complex, it would take a lot of time and effort to document and create a 
> tutorial for it. I wish that this would happen, but I don’t know that anyone 
> at Apple has the time and there probably aren’t very many people outside of 
> apple with the know-how and time to write a tutorial as a hobby. I hope that 
> I’m wrong though.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution 
>> > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> I think we should have some kind of mentorship program for the swift source. 
>> I'm confident that my following statement doesn't apply to just me:
>> 
>> "I'd love to get involved in the source a lot more, and my previous efforts 
>> to browse around and understand it a bit better have been thwarted by lack 
>> of time, a specific goal/direction, and no proper commitment (all my own 
>> failings of course). I'd be happy to learn the code and implement proposals, 
>> but I really want someone to turn to when I need some help and guidance."
>> 
>> In addition to the core team, I think there are a few others who know the 
>> code well enough, and who may be willing to mentor and share that knowledge 
>> further. Having a specific mentor makes it much easier to get to a level 
>> where you feel comfortable talking to the wider development community on 
>> swift-dev for example.
>> 
>> There would need to be some level of self-starting bar, which would need to 
>> be supported by some documentation to read, and some simple tasks/tutorials 
>> to complete (For example create a branch which removes an existing feature 
>> and a tutorial to re-implement it, that touches a few key areas of the 
>> code-base). The swift project and the evolution process would benefit by 
>> having more potential implementors, so writing such documentation and 
>> getting-started guides should be a high priority in order to help people get 
>> more involved. Once complete, it would be great to choose a proposal, find a 
>> mentor, and start work on it under their guidance.
>> 
>> I believe effort focused in this area will have a high return, given the 
>> high quality and quantity of passion and talent I see in this list.
> 
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Re: [swift-evolution] Swift source mentorship program

[Jay Abbott via swift-evolution]

I think that "we don't have time to implement this time-saving
project-accelerating quality-improving thing" is widely recognised as an
anti-pattern (or anti-process if that’s a thing) these days, and I’d hope
Apple would find a way to avoid this problem. :)
​

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 21:44 Jacob Williams  wrote:

> A Swift developer has actually started a blog series about the swift
> compiler. The links to his post were posted in one of the evolution topics
> a little while ago. The series is incomplete, but it gives a lot of
> explanations about the various parts of the swift compiler.
>
>
> https://medium.com/@slavapestov/the-secret-life-of-types-in-swift-ff83c3c000a5
>
> https://medium.com/@slavapestov/how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-sil-type-use-6b45f7595f43
>
> I wholeheartedly agree that a mentorship program would be extremely useful
> for helping others get up-to-speed with the swift compiler. I myself wished
> I understood it better. The only problem is that with something so large
> and complex, it would take a lot of time and effort to document and create
> a tutorial for it. I wish that this would happen, but I don’t know that
> anyone at Apple has the time and there probably aren’t very many people
> outside of apple with the know-how and time to write a tutorial as a hobby.
> I hope that I’m wrong though.
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
>
> I think we should have some kind of mentorship program for the swift
> source. I'm confident that my following statement doesn't apply to just me:
>
> "I'd love to get involved in the source a lot more, and my previous
> efforts to browse around and understand it a bit better have been thwarted
> by lack of time, a specific goal/direction, and no proper commitment (all
> my own failings of course). I'd be happy to learn the code and implement
> proposals, but I really want someone to turn to when I need some help and
> guidance."
>
> In addition to the core team, I think there are a few others who know the
> code well enough, and who may be willing to mentor and share that knowledge
> further. Having a specific mentor makes it much easier to get to a level
> where you feel comfortable talking to the wider development community on
> swift-dev for example.
>
> There would need to be some level of self-starting bar, which would need
> to be supported by some documentation to read, and some simple
> tasks/tutorials to complete (For example create a branch which removes an
> existing feature and a tutorial to re-implement it, that touches a few key
> areas of the code-base). The swift project and the evolution process would
> benefit by having more potential implementors, so writing such
> documentation and getting-started guides should be a high priority in order
> to help people get more involved. Once complete, it would be great to
> choose a proposal, find a mentor, and start work on it under their guidance.
>
> I believe effort focused in this area will have a high return, given the
> high quality and quantity of passion and talent I see in this list.
>
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Re: [swift-evolution] Swift source mentorship program

[Jacob Williams via swift-evolution]

A Swift developer has actually started a blog series about the swift compiler. 
The links to his post were posted in one of the evolution topics a little while 
ago. The series is incomplete, but it gives a lot of explanations about the 
various parts of the swift compiler.

https://medium.com/@slavapestov/the-secret-life-of-types-in-swift-ff83c3c000a5 

https://medium.com/@slavapestov/how-to-talk-to-your-kids-about-sil-type-use-6b45f7595f43
 


I wholeheartedly agree that a mentorship program would be extremely useful for 
helping others get up-to-speed with the swift compiler. I myself wished I 
understood it better. The only problem is that with something so large and 
complex, it would take a lot of time and effort to document and create a 
tutorial for it. I wish that this would happen, but I don’t know that anyone at 
Apple has the time and there probably aren’t very many people outside of apple 
with the know-how and time to write a tutorial as a hobby. I hope that I’m 
wrong though.


> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we should have some kind of mentorship program for the swift source. 
> I'm confident that my following statement doesn't apply to just me:
> 
> "I'd love to get involved in the source a lot more, and my previous efforts 
> to browse around and understand it a bit better have been thwarted by lack of 
> time, a specific goal/direction, and no proper commitment (all my own 
> failings of course). I'd be happy to learn the code and implement proposals, 
> but I really want someone to turn to when I need some help and guidance."
> 
> In addition to the core team, I think there are a few others who know the 
> code well enough, and who may be willing to mentor and share that knowledge 
> further. Having a specific mentor makes it much easier to get to a level 
> where you feel comfortable talking to the wider development community on 
> swift-dev for example.
> 
> There would need to be some level of self-starting bar, which would need to 
> be supported by some documentation to read, and some simple tasks/tutorials 
> to complete (For example create a branch which removes an existing feature 
> and a tutorial to re-implement it, that touches a few key areas of the 
> code-base). The swift project and the evolution process would benefit by 
> having more potential implementors, so writing such documentation and 
> getting-started guides should be a high priority in order to help people get 
> more involved. Once complete, it would be great to choose a proposal, find a 
> mentor, and start work on it under their guidance.
> 
> I believe effort focused in this area will have a high return, given the high 
> quality and quantity of passion and talent I see in this list.
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[swift-evolution] Swift source mentorship program

[Jay Abbott via swift-evolution]

I think we should have some kind of mentorship program for the swift
source. I'm confident that my following statement doesn't apply to just me:

"I'd love to get involved in the source a lot more, and my previous efforts
to browse around and understand it a bit better have been thwarted by lack
of time, a specific goal/direction, and no proper commitment (all my own
failings of course). I'd be happy to learn the code and implement
proposals, but I really want someone to turn to when I need some help and
guidance."

In addition to the core team, I think there are a few others who know the
code well enough, and who may be willing to mentor and share that knowledge
further. Having a specific mentor makes it much easier to get to a level
where you feel comfortable talking to the wider development community on
swift-dev for example.

There would need to be some level of self-starting bar, which would need to
be supported by some documentation to read, and some simple tasks/tutorials
to complete (For example create a branch which removes an existing feature
and a tutorial to re-implement it, that touches a few key areas of the
code-base). The swift project and the evolution process would benefit by
having more potential implementors, so writing such documentation and
getting-started guides should be a high priority in order to help people
get more involved. Once complete, it would be great to choose a proposal,
find a mentor, and start work on it under their guidance.

I believe effort focused in this area will have a high return, given the
high quality and quantity of passion and talent I see in this list.
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