Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: Hackerparagraph

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote: It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm I concur, this treaty is shite. It criminalizes various tools instead of acts, tries to

Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: Hackerparagraph

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Norbert Bollow
Peter Keel seeg...@discordia.ch wrote: * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote: It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm Shame on whoever came up with this, and on

Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: Hackerparagraph

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Peter Keel
* on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:15:53PM +0100, Norbert Bollow wrote: * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote: It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm Shame on

Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: Hackerparagraph

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Christa Pfister
Copyright infringement IS already a criminal offence (Art. 67 URG - Bundesgesetz über das Urheberrecht) - nothing new there. Regards, Christa Von: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch im Auftrag von Peter Keel Gesendet: Mi 18.03.2009 13:41 An: swi...@swinog.ch

Re: [swinog] Hackerparagraph (fwd)

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Roethlisberger
Andreas Fink af...@list.fink.org 2009-03-17: Collegues, The federal adminstration wants to change the law about cyber crime. See also: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/gg/pc/pendent.html#EJPD (or especially Genehmigung und Umsetzung des Übereinkommens des Europarates über die

Re: [swinog] Hackerparagraph (fwd)

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Christa Pfister
I have a suggestion: I could draft a comment (regarding hacking-tools) for the Vernehmlassung and submit it to the mailing-list for approval and input by SWINOG members. As the author of a doctoral thesis on Art. 143bis (the Swiss hacking provision), I might be able to add a certain academic

Re: [swinog] Hackerparagraph (fwd)

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Robert.Guentensperger
Hi Christa (do you have any decision procedures?) I guess that the only decission would be, who pays you the beer/drink/prosecco or whatever. ;-) Cheers Günti From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Christa

Re: [swinog] Hackerparagraph (fwd)

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Michael Naef
Hi Christa On Wednesday 18 March 2009, Christa Pfister wrote: [..] I would be prepared to do this for free, it wouldn't be a paid Gutachten, but rather a joint statement by an association of people who deal with this issues on a daily basis and a lawyer who has studied this provision in

Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: Hackerparagraph

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Norbert Bollow
Christa Pfister m...@c-pfister.ch wrote: One important thing to keep in mind is that signatures under international treaties are *not* a commitment to do what the treaty says, they are only a declaration of intention to consider for ratification that particular version of the treaty. That's