Re: [swinog] The Internet 40 years on

[Scott Weeks]

--- jer...@massar.ch wrote:
From: Jeroen Massar 

http://m.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-every-aspect-9187484.php

For the people who like 'our history' ;)
---


Hmmm, not so sure about sfgate.com's historical data.  
The internet first said "lo" like in 'lo and belold, 
I exist', but in reality it was the first three 
letters of "log".  the whole system crashed when they 
typed the "g".  That was 1969:

http://www.lk.cs.ucla.edu/personal_history.html



As far as packet radio (I'm from Hawaii, so I really 
like this one) Professor Norman Abramson developed
ALOHAnet (packet radio) in 1970 at the University of 
Hawaii, which became the core idea for Robert 
Metcalfe's CSMA and, thus, Ethernet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio#Aloha_and_PRNET



One of my favorites is the letter from R.Z. Bachrach:

http://b2b.cbsimg.net/blogs/19740305-xerox-ethernet-memo1.jpg

Which he clarifies as not what everyone thinks it 
said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1xz13/in_1974_xerox_parc_engineers_invented_ethernet/


All of which was before 1974.

scott



















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[swinog] The Internet 40 years on

[Jeroen Massar]

http://m.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-every-aspect-9187484.php

For the people who like 'our history' ;)

Greets,
 Jeroen


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Re: [swinog] peering request

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2016-08-28 14:11, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
> Just the kind of condescending and stupidly aggressive message that
> makes the charm of this type of list :)

Just a simple reality check, which you should have known about the
moment you where able to fill in the paperwork to get an ASN and a prefix.

Note that that latter paperwork used to contain a guarantee for two
upstreams. The reason for that was so that people realized they also
needed that...

> Probably in 1984, with the guys of 1984, I would not have received
> this kind of "response".

In 1984 they would have asked you how you would be paying for the
physical cable which brought you to them would have been a rather
expensive deal to get that telephone link up 24/7

Moving bits has always have a cost, and those costs have gone down a
lot, but still exist. The ones that give 'free transit' do that so that
they can balance their input/output ratio better which allows them to
negotiate better deals and of course to claim they are global Tier-1s
while they just have a l3-switch in a rack somewhere... great for
playing around, but nothing else.


You might want to ask OVH in France if they are able to provide you with
native IPv6, as they can. They might also be able to give you a BGP
session, but at that point, like the rest of their service they will
nicely ask you to pay for that service.


BGP over tunnels is a bad thing, as the tunnel will break and then that
flap in BGP gets progressed all around the world not even speaking
about MTU issues and fragmentation that you will run into.

Please keep the Internet a 1500 clean place, do your part and get Native
IPv6.

Greets,
 Jeroen



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Re: [swinog] peering request

[Julien Sansonnens]

Just the kind of condescending and stupidly aggressive message that
makes the charm of this type of list :)

Probably in 1984, with the guys of 1984, I would not have received
this kind of "response".

End of controversy.
Cheers !
JS
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2016-08-28 14:01 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Massar :
> On 2016-08-27 19:58, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We
>> are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks
>> enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols.
>>
>> We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to
>> our users, with a goal of sharing
>> knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and
>> neutral.
>>
>> We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from
>> some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel
>
> Welcome to 2016. The 6bone was shut down 10 years ago.
>
> Go to an IX and get native IPv6
>
> Like you had to pay for the ASN and for the maint fee for the RIR
> prefix, you will have to pay even more hard cash for the bits that flow
> to/from the Internet in the form of transit.
>
> The Internet is commercial, it is not 1984...
>
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
>
>
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Re: [swinog] peering request

[Jeroen Massar]

On 2016-08-27 19:58, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We
> are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks
> enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols.
> 
> We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to
> our users, with a goal of sharing
> knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and
> neutral.
> 
> We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from
> some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel

Welcome to 2016. The 6bone was shut down 10 years ago.

Go to an IX and get native IPv6

Like you had to pay for the ASN and for the maint fee for the RIR
prefix, you will have to pay even more hard cash for the bits that flow
to/from the Internet in the form of transit.

The Internet is commercial, it is not 1984...

Greets,
 Jeroen



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