Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Peter Baumann wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:27 +0100, Christa Pfister wrote: > >>- Die Zustellung von unverlangter E-Mail-Werbung an unbekannte und >>wahllos zusammengestellte Adressen, welche im Internet gesammelt >>wurden, stellt eine widerrechtliche Datenbearbeitung im Sinne von Art. >>12 Abs. 2 Bst. a in Verbindung mit Art. 4 DSG dar (E. 5.1-5.7). > > > > Can I sue Mr. Fürst now You can or could have sued them (Fuerst and Co.) whenever you want/wanted. You just need to legally proof their misbehaviour. Trrace the mail back to the origin Server spamming from somwhere or Bots, Company from whereever Excuse about advertised Fax/E-Mail: "I haven't done this", "Maybe a competitor", "one of my franchisees was this" Other countries look different at the law. If justice looked at his books (finance) it might be easy to find little or no revenue other than trade advertised over spamming. Maybe a "tax check" revealing the facts AND then a legal inevstigation would be the easiest way to prosecute swiss spammers. However, tax inspection and legal investigation are seperated. Guido ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
> Viktor Steinmann schrieb: > > Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in > CH... > > > > (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's > > not the > > point) do they? I once tried to order a Region1-DVD from amazon.com (not .de), and in about step 5 of the ordering process, they found out that my address is outside US (of course you'd entered the address in step 2 or so) and refused to ship. that was 2y ago or so. -- -- visit http://www.umbi.net/privo ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
> > Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard, > > Philipps sees a > > patent-violation in this. > > For once, a patent had something good about it. It's got nothing to do with patents. It's about the rules of usage (license) of a trademark (registered compact disc logo). Michi ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: AW: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Some time ago the law was changed to actually forbid importing DVDs from any other country (even EU). It caused a lot of outrage and the law was changed back a year later. That's why there was some time when Code1 DVD was forbidden entirely and DVD shop owner were not allowed to buy their stock in Germany, France or Italy for example. They had buy everything at the official Swiss importers at inflated prices. On top of that the importers didn't want to stock many films and limited the choice. Since about two years DVDs may be (commercially and) legally imported again. Much more choice now again and the milking of the consumer was stopped again. -- Andre Xaver Aerni wrote: > > You can buy online by www.1a-dvdshop.ch ore laserzone.ch > > and ohter Videostores. > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Viktor Steinmann > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 15:20 > An: swinog@swinog.ch > Betreff: Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam > > Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH... > > (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not > the > point) > > Cheers, > Viktor > > Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland. > > Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free > > dvd player while you cannot in Germany ? > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
You can buy online by www.1a-dvdshop.ch ore laserzone.ch and ohter Videostores. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Viktor Steinmann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 15:20 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH... (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not the point) Cheers, Viktor Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland. > Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free > dvd player while you cannot in Germany ? ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Viktor Steinmann schrieb: Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH... (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not the point) Since I have to pick up some ordered DVDs[1] from Laserzone[2] tonight, I'll ask the folks there. Stay tuned. CU, Venty [1] La Linea, Signor Rossi. Both Region 2. [2] http://www.laserzone.ch/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Uh... maybe that's true for the players. Try to buy a Region-1 DVD in CH... (yes, I know that Amazon.com etc. are shipping from the US, but that's not the point) Cheers, Viktor Zitat von Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland. Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free dvd player while you cannot in Germany ? ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Tobias Goeller schrieb: Hoi. Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard, Philipps sees a patent-violation in this. For once, a patent had something good about it. CU, Venty ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
'llo! Quoting Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:22:43 +0100 The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland. Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free dvd player while you cannot in Germany ? [..] BTW: It's also illegal to sell copy protected music CDs that carry the compact disc label[1], as they do not conform to the compact disc standard. Please don't mix those up, they're 100% independent each from another. The first thing is a legal fact valid for switzerland, it is swiss law (iirc "Verbraucherrecht"). The second is a copyright / patent issue brought up by philipps who is the owner of the Compact-Disc standard. All others using this label are licensing this standard. Since those Copy-Protected CDs do not comply with this standard, Philipps sees a patent-violation in this. CU Tobias -- Tobias Göller E = m * c^2 +/- 3db ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:22:43 +0100 Viktor Steinmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [x] Declare Spamming illegal > [ ] Declare protection of Music CDs illegal > [ ] Declare Region-Protection of DVDs illegal The regio protection is already declared illegal in Switzerland. Or why do you think you can here to buy a region-free dvd player while you cannot in Germany ? But dont ask me where it's written. I had a quick look at admin.ch but couldn't find it. BTW: It's also illegal to sell copy protected music CDs that carry the compact disc label[1], as they do not conform to the compact disc standard. Attila Kinali [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Compactd.JPG -- wer soviel schoggi isst, kann sowieso nicht dumm sein ;-) -- Sandra ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:27 +0100, Christa Pfister wrote: > - Die Zustellung von unverlangter E-Mail-Werbung an unbekannte und > wahllos zusammengestellte Adressen, welche im Internet gesammelt > wurden, stellt eine widerrechtliche Datenbearbeitung im Sinne von Art. > 12 Abs. 2 Bst. a in Verbindung mit Art. 4 DSG dar (E. 5.1-5.7). Can I sue Mr. Fürst now Peter ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
O.k., let's take on the next task... [x] Declare Spamming illegal [ ] Declare protection of Music CDs illegal [ ] Declare Region-Protection of DVDs illegal [ ] ... ;-) Viktor Zitat von Christa Pfister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: at last: http://www.vpb.admin.ch/deutsch/doc/69/69.106.html very short summary of more than 20 pages of legal talk: spamming infringes swiss data protection law. or in german, copied from the decision: (DSG: Datenschutzgesetz) --snip-- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] swiss jurisprudence regarding spam
Title: swiss jurisprudence regarding spam at last: http://www.vpb.admin.ch/deutsch/doc/69/69.106.html very short summary of more than 20 pages of legal talk: spamming infringes swiss data protection law. or in german, copied from the decision: (DSG: Datenschutzgesetz) - Die Zustellung von unverlangter E-Mail-Werbung an unbekannte und wahllos zusammengestellte Adressen, welche im Internet gesammelt wurden, stellt eine widerrechtliche Datenbearbeitung im Sinne von Art. 12 Abs. 2 Bst. a in Verbindung mit Art. 4 DSG dar (E. 5.1-5.7). - Aus der Wirtschaftsfreiheit fliesst kein Rechtfertigungsgrund gemäss Art. 13 Abs. 1 DSG; insbesondere liegt kein überwiegendes privates Interesse der bearbeitenden Person vor (E. 5.8). - Einzig die ausdrückliche vorherige Einwilligung der Betroffenen wäre geeignet, bei Massenversand von E-Mail-Werbung eine widerrechtliche Persönlichkeitsverletzung im Sinne des DSG auszuschliessen (E. 5.9). - Eine «Opt-Out»-Möglichkeit in unangeforderten Werbe-E-Mails hebt demnach die Rechtswidrigkeit ihres Versandes nicht auf. Hingegen wäre sie geeignet, in Werbe-Mails, die zulässigerweise versandt werden, die Ausübung des Selbstbestimmungsrechts der Betroffenen bezüglich künftiger weiterer Datenbearbeitung zu unterstützen (E. 6). christa ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
