oodle for the meeting: http://www.doodle.com/3xqutr9n68cwr3uy
Please forward to the concerned person(s) in your organisation.
Thanks,
Pascal Gloor
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I just sent a formal meeting invitation to all persons interested. If you're
also interested in the meeting and did not get the mail let me know and I'll
send you the invitation.
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Just a short reminder as the meeting is in two days.
Date: Wednesday, 29.06.2011, 9h-12h (+optional lunch)
Location: Finecom, Biel/Bienne
Topics:
- VÜPF/OSCPT meeting: what's next?
- Is an "ISPA" needed (ISP Association)?
We will also have a representative of ASUT at the meeting.
Hi all,
Last week we went through this meeting about the VÜPF/OSCPT revision and the
possibility of creating an ISP association. Here's a short feedback:
VÜPF/OSCPT revision: The ASUT was represented at the meeting by the chairman of
the lawful intercept working group and he will be looking to
Hi all,
The "name creation pad" has been running for a few days and was quite
successful! (31 names!)
It's now time to narrow-down the selection. I'll keep a top5 or so and the
founding assembly will choose one of those.
Please fill up the "selection" doodle and vote for all you think are nice
> ---> http://www.doodle.com/axf8zpf8heceprqt
After 30 votes, I have shorten the list by 10 names by removing all names with
0 votes.
So far, the big winners are CHISPA, ISPACH, SwiNOG Federation and ISPNET.
see you,
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>> ---> http://www.doodle.com/axf8zpf8heceprqt
2nd round, I have suppressed all entries with only 1 vote.
42 Participants:
CHISPA, 22 votes
SwiNOG Federation, 21 votes
ISPACH, 16 votes
SwISPA, 10 votes
ISPNET, 10 votes
I think it's pretty clear, those names will be proposed at the assembly.
Th
Dear SwiNOGers,
You might already have heard about it but I think it's the first time I send it
to the list.
The engineering school of Fribourg and some business partners (like Dreamlab
and Objéctif Sécurité) have developed a set of tools to analyse the quality of
the Swiss Internet. This proj
Dear All,
(sorry for any duplicates, some Bcc people are also on the SwiNOG list)
DO NOT FORGET, the deadline is THIS FRIDAY!
I had to convince them but finally, thanks to asut, the telecom federation, I'm
able to share, with all of you, their answer [1] to the hearing.
You are all allowed to
UPDATE:
> [1] http://www.swinog.ch/files/asut_Stellungsnahme_VUEPF.zip (3 documents in
> M$ Word format)
There is only one relevant document in there, I have now updated the ZIP. Only
the document described as "final" is relevant. Ignore the other documents.
Your response must be sent to:
Inf
! <-- http://www.ispnet.ch/cgi-bin/register.cgi
Have a nice day,
Pascal Gloor
President
SwiNOG Organisation
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Dear all,
As per SwiNOG Organisation board decision, a new mailing list has been opened,
swinog-j...@lists.swinog.ch
Topics are:
- Jobs offering
- Jobs seeking
- Discussions about the job market
At least one company, Oprandi & Partner, will be pushing "SwiNOG relevant"
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have
done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general
list and we refused. If it's useless, we'll delete the list, we have done
presentation will be published on the SwiNOG website
after the event. We can publish modified slides if requested - it might be that
some confidential data will be presented by you which are not intended for
publication on the internet.
Greetings,
Pascal Gloor
SwiNOG Core Team
General Information
Dear all,
A friendly reminder that the foundation of the SME ISP Federation will take
place in exactly one week. Two special guests will be present, Felix A.
Honegger of the SIMSA (Branchenverband der Schweizer Internet-Wirtschaft) and
Janine Jakob from SKS (Stiftung für Konsumentenschutz) whic
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Hallo Klaus,
I've postet the Q2/2011 Report already to the list. [1]
I'd like to add that the NetObservatory project ends by 2011. Q3 and Q4 2011
reports are the last planned and will be published in october and january.
After that, nothing is sure
Dear SwiNOGers,
The registration for SwiNOG #23 is now officially open!
Speakers: do NOT register yet, you will get an email with a voucher code. If
you register you will have to pay but you will get a voucher for the next event.
Agenda: http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog23/agenda.asp
Regis
Dear community,
The SwiNOG Federation and the simsa are organizing an event around the theme
Lawful Intercept. This event will be held in Zurich, in German. If you're
interested by a similar event in French, please contact me!
Information, agenda and registration can be found here:
http://sims
On behalf of the RIPE Programme Committee:
> ---
>
> Call for Papers: RIPE 65
>
> A RIPE Meeting is an open event where Internet Service Providers,
> network operators and other interested parties get together. Although
> the meeting is mostly technical, it is also a chance for
Hi Community,
I don’t know about you, but as an ISP we’ve always faced the problem of crazy
DHCP clients (v4 and v6) flooding our servers. While at Quickline we have a
DHCP server with anti-flood mechanisms it might not the case for everyone.
This is why I wrote DHCP Protect. DHCP Protect works
I just realised there’s a error in the git path:
it should be https://git.home.spale.com/public/dhcp_protect.git
Sorry about that.
Pascal
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Dear SwiNOG,
We (Init7) expect a >100Gbps ddos this Thursday or Friday. The attack will be
directed against a transit customer of ours and will be the 2nd attack from
this known group against this customer.
Please make sure you’re not a source and keep an eye on your graphs
Thanks!
Pascal
Valentine Day is approching. As every year, we poor guys have no idea what
to offer our beloved girls. But this year, there's something new!!
http://www.spale.com/valentine/
*g*
Pascal
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[Ignore this mail. Its like the spoon, it doesnt exist]
Suddenly a woman appears and all get exited... tssk tssk...
/me returns to daily business ...
:-P
PS: Subscription to SwiNOG-10 will open soon, be prepared to 'click'!
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blabla Pascal is talking like a sales person ;-P
wana fite m4n ? d0nt ta1k tou mee lik that... /me runs and hides... :-
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What about upper layers? ppp?
Pascal
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Dear SwiNOGers,
6 weeks away of our next SwiNOG event, none proposed a definitive sponsoring
of the event.
Sponsoring SwiNOG will cost you about 4000CHF. You may be two or three
companies to share the cost of the sponsoring.
Please let me know if you are READY to sponsor at least 2000 CHF for t
Are you talking about these Apples?
http://adsl.bluewin.ch/images2004/German/bg_start.jpg
Note that this is a very interesting advertizement. Perhaps the bluewin
marketing didnt even notice.
Basicly it says "try first, then buy" and showing a lot is used apples.
But in fact, none of the apples ha
Finally we found them !!! :-)
Cablecom will be the main sponsor of the event.
T-Systems will sponsor the beer^H^H^H^Hsocial event.
TheNet will sponsor the Wireless Internet access.
More news about SwiNOG 10 soon
If you have not yet registered, hurry up !!
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/registra
Lucky year, TWO April's fool RFCs!!
RFC4041 - Requirements for Morality Sections in Routing Area Drafts
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4041.txt
RFC4042 - UTF-9 and UTF-18 Efficient Transformation Formats of Unicode
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4042.txt
;-)
Pascal
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Imho /dev/null would have been best ;-) It's easy to see
that such emails are waste of ressources ...
I cannot agree more.
True.
Except your upstreams, who's filtering you on exact prefix match? I'm not
sure you would have enough nvram to store such huge access-lists anyway...
:-)
Pascal
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And now you wonder why you don't see any SWINOG mail ? :)
errmm. Your mailserver is trusting this flag ?
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> The fact is, " Nul n'est sensà ignorer la loi ",
In fact, this doesn't exist in Switzerland.
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We're way out of topic ;)
> So this is only a french thing ?
yes.
> Does this means that, as long as your unaware of the fact you should be
> paying Billag for a broadband access, you're not in a illegal situation ?
no. but this means that some tourist definitely cannot be aware of 26
differen
> Don't blame Pascal - he is most likely just another victim.
snif snif.. smtp world is getting worse and worse .. when is the next
generation of messaging coming ?
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> However the sad thing is no matter how low the wholesale price for the
> ISP will be, there is always one approaching that price plus a few cents.
> This in turn forces the other ISPs to lower their prices too and again
> nobody has a useful margin again.
Perhaps its time to rise the price again
Be sure to disconnect when you're not using the ADSL... the unsolicited
traffic (backscatter, scanners, worms, etc..) will generate between 60
and 120Mb incomming traffic per month per IP
Pascal
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> IMHO there is no good solution to solve those issues with volume based
> services.
> You can just be generous to your customers like we do. Maybe we will hear
> soon
> how sunrise handles such cases on their ADSL services with dynamic IPs ;-)
There are solutions, like force the user to use
> Please be aware that if you consider helping us
> that you should have some bandwith reserves because
> of the large amount of traffic these two projects generate.
how much BW approx? (in volume/month or average traffic)
Pascal
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Does anyone feel comfortable with .at laws ? especially related
responsibilities of a hosting company towards the "data" content of its
customers.
Please contact me offlist.
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Dear SwiNOGers,
Perhaps you missed some precedent mails, but...
!!
!!! SwiNOG#11 registration is open !!!
!!
We have only 32 subscribers so far and we're also missing presentations!
Subscribe to SwiNOG#11: http://www.swino
SwiNOG-11 registration will close later today. If you did not yet
regsiter, do it asap!
Thanks,
Pascal
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Could the one responsible for ntp1.swinog.ch (vianet) please contact me
off-line ?
Thanks,
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first point of our charter:
- The purpose of SwiNOG is to further improve the quality of
Internet and other IP-based services available in Switzerland.
I dont see anything to discussion here. We use the list to help each
other (Swiss ISPs), this may include buying/selling hardware.
But having
Was about time
English:
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=6564671&cKey=1142937959000
French:
http://www.swissinfo.org/sfr/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=6564906&cKey=1142940685000
German:
http://www.swissinfo.org/sde/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=6564729&cKey=11
> The server is well tuned, quite fast, sometime busy, but still gratis!
This SWITCH service rocks since years and years, THANKS for providing
it!
Pascal
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Dear SwiNOGers,
I'm closing registration TODAY at 14h00. There are 6 free places, if you
want to join, I urge you to register before 14h00.
Participants will get meeting information and their WLAN access codes by
email this afternoon.
I'd like to thank our sponsors in advance:
Meeting sponsor,
Dear SwiNOG-12-ers,
Registration is closed.
All participants have received a personal email with the important
informations.
Be sure to take your WLAN access codes with you at the meeting, we will
NOT have a copy of the list! No access code, no Inet!
Regards,
Pascal
SwiNOG Core Team
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/me points to
http://marmoset.init7.net/public/swinog/2006-March/001061.html
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Dear SwiNOGers,
SwiNOG#13 registration has been kind of urgently closed. The current
number of attendees is 112. Unfortunately we do not have enough place
for 112, we're limited to 100.
!!! The 12 last registration have been set to "Pending" !!!
If you are one of those 12, you will have to wait
Dear SwiNOGers,
Registration is definitely closed now. All 110 participants are welcome
to join SwiNOG#13.
You will get a confirmation email tonight or tomorrow morning with all
the details and your WLAN codes.
Many thanks to:
our WLAN Sponsor, TheNet http://www.thenet.ch
our Main Sponsor, Ag
Anyone willing to run MPLS over Swisscom CES service, please contact me
offlist. I have some important information which will save you hours of
debugging.
Pascal
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Anyone willing to run MPLS over Swisscom CES service, please contact me
offlist. I have some important information which will save you hours of
debugging.
Pascal
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sorry, duplicate email.
;-)
Pascal
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Hi Stan,
Hi SwiNOG,
lets resume it a bit :P
- Senior Network Engineer.
- strong organizational skills
- deep technology knowledge
- Routing and switching in detail.
- IP routing protocols: OSPF and BGP.
- Good experience with Cisco routers and switches.
- Good knowledge of network monitoring and
> Or may it be that you have your salary negotiations next week and need
> some indications...? ;)
ahah, no, that's already done :P
Pascal
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http://li
A few customers complaining ... Sunrise filtering ICMP ?
...
You should think before filtering all this. Too much problems
because of this.
Right. ermm...
What about other kind of ICMP ? do they filter any ICMP packet or
just ICMP echo request/reply ? If they filter any ICMP packet they
Willi Huber, SWITCH, Limmatquai 138, CH-8021 Zurich, Switzerland
Actually the funny part here is that I have bought 3 of them on
ricardo.ch about two years ago, and all three are labeled with a nice
old SWITCH sticker :P
They are indeed fully functional running IOS 10.2.x with two AUI
Dear SwiNOGers,
SwiNOG 14 will be held as usualy at the Altestramdepot in Bern. The
meeting date is the 30.05.2007
Registration form:
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/registration.asp
General meeting information:
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog14/index.asp
Cheers,
Pascal
The SwiNOG-C
Hmm I think that you need to update your static content in the script
;-)
s/2006/2007
http://www.spale.com/cgi-bin/swinogreg
hmm, right ;-)
done
Pascal
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Hi Jim,
at least I guess it's free - stated "reserved"
'reserved' meant we need a confirmation which should arrive in the
next days. the slot might be free if we dont get a confirmation, in
this case I will contact you, otherwise we will update the agenda
with the planned presentation.
All in subject.
Pascal
SwiNOG-Core Team
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got it. thanks to ... (he knows who he is ;-))
Pascal
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I'm urgently looking for Marcel Leuenberger, BIT. He's currently out
of office. If anyone knows how to reach him, perhaps on his mobile,
could you please ask him to call me back ASAP on my mobile (whois
RIPE objet PGL-RIPE for my mobile number)
Thanks!
Pascal
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First usable, 01.
Some devices allow you to use network/broadcast addresses too and
this is not a problem for the LNS (you will understand because of the
strange routing at the end of the mail)
However, not all do, so using the +1 IP seems the best option.
The typical setups you can have i
For testing purposes i'm searching a used (but working ;-)
Cisco NPE-400 with 256MB RAM.
http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator
Perfect if you just want to try something. Boots up in 5 seconds ;-)
You need an IOS indeed, they do not provide it.
Pascal
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1. Write a script to restart the SMTP service at least once a day.
2. Modify the registry on the sender Exchange server, to change
the Glitch Retry key.
3. Clarify that there is no 3rd party AV software in the
environment which could be causing the issue.
4. remove
We use the "good old" pager which has some advantages:
- it works always, doesnt matter where you are (in switzerland indeed)
- you dont forget you have pikett ;-)
- you make clear who has pikett (as long as you have it, you have
pikett)
- you hear it (even your neighbors can hear it :P)
Hi SwiNOGers,
if anyone has a few (3-4) Catalyst 3550-12G to sell, please send me
an offer off-list.
Thanks,
Pascal
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the ones having a looking-glass sending regexp commands to a cisco
router should disable it ASAP.
Some specific regexp simply crash the router.
the regexp is available upon request (I will only answer to people I
know)
---
lab-router#show ip bgp regexp
08:22:00 UTC Thu Sep 13 2007: TLB
here's the cisco advisory:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sr-20070912-regexp.shtml
P.
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Could you check if you see any prefix on this path ? ^1299_15600
Thanks
Pascal
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Dear SwiNOG-15 participants,
Let me remind you that you have to take the 35CHF lunch fee with you
and we are NOT giving back change.
Thanks,
Pascal
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Here we are again and for the exact same case!
Shall we just copy/paste the Rekurs/recours we sent last time ? Shall
we use the last case as precedence-case ? (since we actually won).
Again, they are acting like #$%^$# like we're bored and have
nothing else to take care about.
Sunrise
I'm really astonished to see that this private war between Gerhard
Ulrich and the Judges of Vaud is still going on
Yeah, you know, justice is a quick process ;-)
And again we'll not take any actions and this time we'll not give them
an introduction lesson in how the internet works (which I
This is important stuff, we cannot let them do.
We need a coordinated response and time is short.
I kindly ask all members who received the Order and are members of
ASUT, to contact them and ask them to take the coordination job.
Prof. Schwarzenegger (presenation at SwiNOG few years ago) is
There we go!
http://www.inside-it.ch/frontend/insideit?_d=_article&news.id=12909
;-)
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http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/101028
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Dear SwiNOGers,
Looks like our business goes well, so we need a new engineer in our
team ;-)
You will be involved with the following technologies:
(you do not need to know all of them indeed, we'll be training you on
the missing ones)
- IPv4/v6
- BGP
- MPLS
- Cable (docsis)
- optionaly L
We recently noticed that our typical low-cost end-user over-cheap
firewall (Linksys BEFS41 [1]), cannot afford the trend of over-high-
speed Internet access. It seems that this device tops around 11-12mbps.
That kind of cheap devices do you run for that typical kind of
customer (xDSL/Cable/.
Mario,
Julien is french speaking and he asked in english... maybe an
enlgish answer would better fix no ? :P
Pascal
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I've uploaded the scan of the request to our webserver:
http://www.bebbicell.ch/PE03.018380.pdf
Thanks Andreas for sharing this information (since, somehow, we didn't
receive it).
Question for you Christa. The order is suspended, does it mean that
blocking those websites becomes now illega
For the ones who missed it:
English
http://www.swisscom.com/GHQ/content/Media/Medienmitteilungen/20090219_Verpflichtung_Bitstrom_Zugang.htm?lang=en
French
http://www.swisscom.com/GHQ/content/Media/Medienmitteilungen/20090219_Verpflichtung_Bitstrom_Zugang.htm?lang=fr
German
http://www.swisscom.
Dear SwiNOGers,
I'm working on some 'project' which could help in this case. I found a
lawyer who's ready to support me for free. However, there's a little
budget I cannot afford on my own. I cant explain exactly why on a
public list (we have experienced some difficulties with that in the
Dear SwiNOGers,
I'm working on some 'project' which could help in this case. I found
a lawyer who's ready to support me for free. However, there's a
little budget I cannot afford on my own. I cant explain exactly why
on a public list (we have experienced some difficulties with that in
the
Note that, like mirror.switch.ch and many other of our services, this
is reachable over IPv6 in addition to IPv4.
It should be "Note that, like mirror.switch.ch and many other of our
services, this is reachable over IPv4 in addition to IPv6"
:-)
Pascal
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Dear SwiNOGers ;)
As you may have noticed, our registration is wy overbooked.
If you're not 100% sure you can attend, if you dont really need to
come (maybe you're a sales :P), if you 'just want to see it once, no
idea what it is', please send me your cancelation.
This will allow lon
Dear SwiNOGers,
We have been able to cut the list down to 118 persons. We will accept
ALL of them to join the event tomorrow.
Not sure you're on the list? http://www.spale.com/cgi-bin/swinogreg
See you tomorrow ;)
Pascal
SwiNOG Core-Team
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oh yeah, he did it, IPv6 over Social Network is this year's RFC... ;)
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/pdfrfc/rfc5514.txt.pdf
Have fun reading ;)
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ss LAN: nts workspace
Thank you for the time you spent reading this huge email ;)
Pascal Gloor
President
SwiNOG Organisation
Email: swinog-core at swinog dot ch
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Hi Patrick,
The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s
burstable service
with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat
peerings.
In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream with
about the
same speeds as the first connection. All conn
> Could somebody from Sunrise Noc Team me contact offline
>
Xaver, there's no such thing anymore as a Sunrise NOC Team... its
outsourced and dont expect them to read swi...@
Cheers,
Pascal
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>> You can add a static route in CLI with the command "ip rtadd...".
> Thank you for the information... I'll give it a try.
VTX support seems to work better over SwiNOG than directly :P
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> it seems that some customers calling in with performance problems.
> we've noticed that those customers are using astaro-firewalls.
Performance issue seems to be, no connection at all.
Yet again a fantastic FAIL of an ALL-IN-ONE-CAN-ALSO-DO-COFFEE firewall.
Workaround is to disable the IDS and
Hi SwiNOGers ;-)
I thought I'd say some words for all small and medium sized ISPs while I had
the SDA/ATS journalist on the phone.
in German:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/digital/internet/berwachungswahn-der-Beamten-in-Bern/story/12403271
in French:
http://www.romandie.com/infos/news2/2010081818
published on the SwiNOG website
after the event. We can publish modified slides if requested - it might be that
some confidential data will be presented by you which are not intended for
publication on the internet.
Greetings,
Pascal Gloor
SwiNOG Core Team
General Information (SwiNOG
Dear community,
something important for us happened today that may have some impact on our
daily business.
Our Federal Court just decided that IP addresses are personal data and the
federal law about data protection must also be followed also for IP addresses.
Collecting IP adresses for privat
> i think there will be some Common sense in this point, as it is quite
> different to collect and sell this kind of datas, and to use them as
> stats tools (have a look at the numerous fidelity cards we can find
> anywhere).
>
> also maybe a publicly available stat... i dont know, but sounds
I'm trying to make a list of all possible implications/problems that this
ruling can make. Please send me a direct mail with your questions and I will
forward them to a good lawyer (actually, the one involved in that case).
So far, questions/implications I've seen or came to me are:
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