On 11/07/2012 02:21 PM, Andrew Thule wrote:
Forgive me. I forgot to address your question about what constitutes
'academic'.
Dead Sea Scroll translations to date, have been translated by academics,
holding academic positions in academic institutions. The translations
have been (and are being)
Hi all
I've found some instructions on transforming usfm/x to osis on the wiki but
was wondering how difficult it would be to automate a lot of it?
is it such that there is too much manual cleaning up?
also, I was wondering if there's any appetite in developing a driver to
read such modules,
In the years I am on this list I have heard many crappy justifications for
ripping off a text wholesale. Insofar yours here is not unique.
This is not about opinion, your lofty hopes on academic disregard for copyright
or odd legal theories, but in the end it is about the reputation of our
Thanks for all the info. On the last point, I did mean read directly from
USFM. I don't know the format well-enough, but presumably if other software
uses it, then maybe we could have a go at displaying the best we can...
Chris
On 8 November 2012 10:17, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote:
Matěj I have no intention.. here's why:
The US definition of 'Fair Use':
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107
§ 107 . Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106a, the fair use of a
copyrighted work, including such use by
This argument would claim that we could reproduce *any* copyrighted work
because someone *might* have a fair use claim to it. That's just silly.
Your argument has nothing to do with the academic *source* of the
material, just the intended use. But you have no idea how some random
person
Your definition of plagiarism is defective. I haven't passed off anyone
else work as my own. I freely admit scholars have done the translating.
I'm not engaged in a commercial venture, and this is for the purpose of
study (at least I don't believe SWORD modules are being produced for
commercial
If you know 'awk' it's not difficult at all Chris. You can use 'awk'
regular expressions to replace USFM tags with OSIS ones.
~A
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Chris Burrell ch...@burrell.me.uk wrote:
Thanks for all the info. On the last point, I did mean read directly from
USFM. I don't
Brian that's not true. The law does impose clear guidelines on when a work
is derivative, what constitutes 'copyright material' and exceptions because
of research, criticism, comment, etc.
I've posted those constraints above.
Copyright is there to protect someone who invests effort in creative
Andrew,
I'm not really wanting to get into the DSS discussion regarding legal matters
as I'm not a lawyer. However, there are some things I'd like to note:
At CrossWire we have a notion of what we are willing to include in our module
repository. There are several factors that play into this.
It would be straightforward to model it in JSword after the GBF filter. It'd
essentially be the equivalent of the usfm2osis script. That's a work in
progress. And since usfm input is not clean having it in JSword is dubious at
best.
Also I don't see the value for modules unless the SWORD
Andrew,
Clearly arguing with you isn't going to show you that you are wrong.
Regardless why you are producing the modules - which you have the
personal right to do, provided you possess legitimate original copies,
by distributing them freely on the Internet you are no longer using
them for either
Greg,
Andrew's original request was for QA help. That's very reasonable. I have asked
for such in the past and will do so in the future. Sometimes, it has been for
modules that cannot be made public or are encrypted. This is something that we
can handle.
We got sidetracked by the full public
For those in the Cincinnati area, the Cincinnati Museum will have the Dead Sea
Scrolls on display starting November 15 with a premiere.
http://www.cincymuseum.org/dead-sea-scrolls/premiere
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Von: Chris Burrell ch...@burrell.me.uk
Thanks for all the info. On the last point, I did mean read directly from
USFM. I don't know the format well-enough, but presumably if other
software
uses it, then maybe we could have a go at displaying the best we can...
I do not think this would be
*DM*, I suspect you've hit upon the heart of the difference of opinion.
I'm not asking Crosswire to host any module. I suspect that assumption is
at the heart of passion in the debate. I have both a private and a public
repository and am capable of hosting the module myself. Rather, I offered
.. and Bibleedit does a reasonably good job of converting USFM to OSIS as
well ..
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote:
Von: Chris Burrell ch...@burrell.me.uk
Thanks for all the info. On the last point, I did mean read directly from
USFM. I don't know
I don't remember who advised me to do module development in USFM then
convert to OSIS at the last step, but it was good advice (Dealing with USFM
for edits is far more manageable than OSIS).
I've started doing it that way ( I use to work directly in OSIS), so I
expect the need to convert from
On 11/08/2012 10:20 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:
*DM*, I suspect you've hit upon the heart of the difference of opinion.
I'm not asking Crosswire to host any module. I suspect that assumption
is at the heart of passion in the debate. I have both a private and a
public repository and am capable of
Aside:
Tim Jore of Distant Shores Media has mentioned on several occasions of an
extension to Wikimedia which can display USFM suitably formatted.
David
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I'm breaking my long period of ignoring
and avoiding OSIS, and working on building a USFX to MOSIS
converter into the open source Haiola software, both into the UI
tool and as a stand-alone cross-platform executable. The "M" in
"MOSIS" is for
Hi Chris,
Von: Chris Burrell ch...@burrell.me.uk
I've found some instructions on transforming usfm/x to osis on the wiki
but
was wondering how difficult it would be to automate a lot of it?
Several of us have been starting to think and experiment with this too.
Basically it is easy to
On 11/8/2012 9:26 AM, Andrew wrote:
The US definition of 'Fair Use':
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107
§ 107 . Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106a, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by ...
Andrew, I have no intention to make this a bun fight. Both of us have better
things to do.
For short: To have the DSS translations in our repos is an honourable aim. It
fits with much else we try to achieve.
To have these translations distributed without express permission or licence by
the
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