Dear Troy,
Urgent!
Please see my separate email just sent to you with cc to DM & Dom.
Regards,
David
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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 03:41, Troy A. Griffitts <scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
> I've just pushed an update (2.10) of our KJV module with the only change
> between 2.9 and the new 2.10 being a manual check and correction of all
> Strong's 3688 numbers.
>
> Vladimir, thank you so much for reporting this problem. DM and David are
> investigating further and will make any additional corrections.
>
> DM and David, we all so appreciate the work you've done to take the KJV2003
> community effort marking up the KJV text with Strong's numbers, to what our
> KJV module is today-- work often unnoticed which millions of people use each
> day. Thank you.
>
> Happy Easter! Praise the Lord for willingly offering the propitiation by His
> blood! In Him,
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 6:06 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>
>> The history of the module is listed in the wiki:
>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV#Module_Versions. That listing isn’t
>> meant to be cryptic but rather complete. The version history in the conf is
>> not as complete. We can make it more complete/in sync.
>>
>> The version 2.6 has the problem. In that version we added the Greek words as
>> found in the TR, using the version by Maurice Robinson, which can now be
>> found at https://sites.google.com/a/wmail.fi/greeknt/home/greeknt.
>>
>> I still have the TR download and the scripts from that change. So with some
>> effort David and I can figure it out.
>>
>> DM
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened
>>> and whether the problem is bigger than this.
>>>
>>> — DM Smith
>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>
>>>> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the
>>>> good work from 2.5 through 2.9
>>>>
>>>> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which
>>>> is still in preparation and has been for several years.
>>>>
>>>> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend
>>>> to today.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Easter!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts <scr...@crosswire.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of
>>>>> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we have
>>>>> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these
>>>>> versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could
>>>>> possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how
>>>>> this could happen, what other problems this might have introduced in
>>>>> revision 2.5?
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules
>>>>>> (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm
>>>>>> that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any
>>>>>> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and
>>>>>> how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara
>>>>>> [<vtam...@pasosdejesus.org>](mailto:vtam...@pasosdejesus.org) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>>>>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω. But according to
>>>>>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688&t=KJV
>>>>>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος (donkey).
>>>>>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm
>>>>>>> also shows that the word would be
>>>>>>> ὄνος
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>>>>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 lemma.TR:ονου" morph="robinson:N-GSF" src="13">an
>>>>>>> ass’s</w>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>>>>>> number 3588.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>>>>>> module:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:11
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:12
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:45
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:69
>>>>>>> * Mat 27:46
>>>>>>> * Mark 1:9
>>>>>>> * Mark 5:30
>>>>>>> * Mark 13:20
>>>>>>> * Luke 2:38
>>>>>>> * Luke 8.46
>>>>>>> * Luke 14:21
>>>>>>> * Luke 16:9
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>>>>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>>>>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning in the Lord
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G2540 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:καιρω"
>>>>>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time</w>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
>>>>>>>> αιματι:
>>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G129 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:αιματι"
>>>>>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood</w>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And for example at
>>>>>>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJV
>>>>>>>> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
>>>>>>>> interchangeable
>>>>>>>> with τῷ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
>>>>>>>> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blessings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>>>
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