Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote: No, we cannot publish the terms of licensing agreements. Think about it. These are confidential, privileged contracts between organizations. Umm, with software Licenses, Acceptable Use Policies, Copyright Restrictions and

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread DM Smith
On Jan 7, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com wrote: The wording of your request is inviting a go pound sand response. Please be careful in how you word things. DM, I will be careful how I word things because such advice is always prudent advice. That said, I

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
Sorry, I misunderstood. I see what you're saying now. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote: On Jan 7, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com wrote: The wording of your request is inviting a go pound sand response. Please be careful in how

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote: No, we cannot publish the terms of licensing agreements. Think about it. These are confidential, privileged contracts between organizations. Umm,

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Chris Burrell
I think we've got the answers across multiple threads. DM answers your question in my thread. others in other threads. 1. All modules are fair game for sword front ends to use and display. 2. Modifying modules and/or redistributing is not allowed for modules marked as Copyrighted permission

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
Umm, Greg, you realise that under Copyright Law Crosswire has no right to Copy right text either (at least not without license) or to void its own license agreement? If Crosswire is licensed to distribute Copyright text for which it is not the owner: The Copyright Owner must establish the terms

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread DM Smith
On Jan 7, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote: No, we cannot publish the terms of licensing agreements. Think about it. These are confidential, privileged contracts between organizations.

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Von: Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com Sorry, but Crosswire has an obligation (under Copyright law) as distributor to share with its users the terms of each Copyright owner's license. It does. As per module conf entry re DistributionLicense. It tells you everything you must know. If you

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
Chris this list in an of itself is not sufficient (legally) to establish these principles. It is the Copyright owners who make this determination, not Crosswire list members. Each Copyright owner is entitled to impose unique restrictions on the use of their texts. CrossWire is bound on a module

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Von: Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com It may be the case that the ISV foundations license to Crosswire is not as restritive as Peter and Chris claimed and my action of sharing a compile module on a separate server didn't in fact breach anything. Only by inspecting Crosswire's license

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:44 PM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote: Each copyright owner has several fields in the conf that they can fill out with that information. Most use the About field. A few use some other fields. Consult the module's conf for the information that you want. If it is

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Andrew Thule
Peter, The licenses found at the ISV site, and the ESV site do not specifically grant to you license to distribute their Copyrighted work. Those licensing don't mention CrossWire at all. I agree, that if I am bound by those licenses I have no right to distribute anything, but neither does

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-07 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Andrew and others, This thread is counterproductive-- and has been for quite some time. It is now closed. I was CC:ed on the email Peter sent you (Andrew) privately which outlines explicitly how he was able to obtain multiple modules from your mirror which indeed have:

[sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-06 Thread Andrew Thule
Since this has been a controversial topic recently (and since accusations have made the matter personal), can Crosswire please post (to the wiki) the terms of its licensing agreements with each Copyright holder (on a module by module basis) so that its licensing rights are known and transparent to

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-06 Thread DM Smith
On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Andrew Thule thules...@gmail.com wrote: Since this has been a controversial topic recently (and since accusations have made the matter personal), can Crosswire please post (to the wiki) the terms of its licensing agreements with each Copyright holder (on a

Re: [sword-devel] Exclusive Rights Granting Crosswire License to Distribute

2013-01-06 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Andrew, We previously had a volunteer manage and keep certain details of copyright information (contact, lead, etc.) up at: http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/ The volunteer has moved on to other things away from CrossWire and this site is no longer kept current so we don't link to