Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 8.3.2012 11:46, Jonathan Morgan wrote: Thanks, I was unclear. I was not arguing against copyright in Bibles generally (though I do not like it, it's a separate issue). I am always haunted by the image of the prophet Jeremiah sitting in front of the gates of Jerusalem asking for the

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-09 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com writes: I am always haunted by the image of the prophet Jeremiah sitting in front of the gates of Jerusalem asking for the royalties on his prophecies. I don't know how Jeremiah made his living, but the scribes who made copies of his prophecies available to others

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/07/2012 09:04 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: On 8.3.2012 07:14, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: The #1 reason they give me for copyrighting Bibles is that they want some way to protect the text from corruption. Arguments to the contrary are futile. Can I ask for clarification here? Is the

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread David Haslam
Michael asks, Is there any way we can tag a module as being of a version that requires support for alternate versification and/or support for RtoL scripts? Then only front ends with that capability could display it, and we wouldn't have to withhold the module from the front ends that don't. We

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread David Haslam
Michael asks, Just how serious is it if the versification isn't KJV-only? Will 3 John 1:15 or Romans 14:24-26 be discarded or fail to display? The documented action of our module creation tools already addresses what happens if a passage falls beyond the specified v11n. The verse text is

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 22:13 -1000, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: I'm not really asking if The Sword Project is 100% bug free, but I'm testing the waters to see if there is really an awareness here of the seriousness of the importance of preserving all of the jots and tittles of Bible

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 00:22 -0800, David Haslam wrote: Michael asks, Is there any way we can tag a module as being of a version that requires support for alternate versification and/or support for RtoL scripts? Then only front ends with that capability could display it, and we wouldn't have

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi Michael, On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/07/2012 04:53 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: ... I'm suggesting copyright is the wrong tool to use to enforce such claims, since I can't see that it will actually target the one responsible

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx writes: Chronic or excessive bugs, or bugs that are serious but don't get fixed are a major problem. Designed-in bugs that don't get fixed are show-stopper problems. I would be interested in -- entertained by -- even one example of any Sword program

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-08 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/08/2012 03:53 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Howzabout you grant us a smidgen of respect for the positively alarming amount of effort that gets put into our collective software efforts and our collective module creation skills. Waddayasay you don't use as your starting assumption that we

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-07 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/06/2012 04:12 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote:

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-07 Thread Daniel Owens
On 03/07/2012 02:46 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: On 03/06/2012 04:12 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx mailto:kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: 1. You

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-07 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi, On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/06/2012 04:12 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: 1. You

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-07 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/07/2012 04:53 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: ...  I'm suggesting copyright is the wrong tool to use to enforce such claims, since I can't see that it will actually target the one responsible for the wrong.  I agree quality control is a

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-07 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 8.3.2012 07:14, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: The #1 reason they give me for copyrighting Bibles is that they want some way to protect the text from corruption. Arguments to the contrary are futile. Can I ask for clarification here? Is the problem existence of bugs in software or

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 06/03/12 01:42, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: It is most likely a misunderstanding. Perhaps I have also been misunderstanding some of the messages that seem to be opposed to USFM. I'm not trying to suggest that USFM be made an additional internal format for Sword for Bible search and

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Hi Michael, On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/05/2012 08:07 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: On 05/03/12 17:33, Greg Hellings wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnsonkahunap...@mpj.cx kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote:

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: You accurately preserve all of the original text and punctuation (including quotation punctuation) exactly as it was in the original USFM. This involves the complete

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread DM Smith
All front ends should display all text with the punctuation as given. Anything other than that is a bug that must be fixed. They will differ on their styling of that text. On 03/06/2012 02:17 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: 1. You

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/05/2012 09:59 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: ... I'm trying to convert Scripture files on a scale and with speed that is apparently unprecedented. The scale might be unprecedent, but there are reasons for that 1) None of us have yet encountered a USFM text which is actually clean. It

Re: [sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/06/2012 12:47 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: 1. You accurately preserve all of the original text and punctuation (including quotation punctuation) exactly as it was in the original USFM. This

[sword-devel] USFM - OSIS - Sword

2012-03-05 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 03/05/2012 08:07 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: On 05/03/12 17:33, Greg Hellings wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson kahunap...@mpj.cx wrote: On 03/05/2012 03:20 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: