Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-03 Thread Matthew Talbert
or not, I cannot judge). BPBible uses VC++ to build Sword binaries to make it work with the standard Python distribution on Windows. Just so you know, it's completely possible to build the Sword binaries and the Python SWIG bindings with MinGW on Windows, and have them work with the standard

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-03 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Jonathan Morgan wrote (after quoting my entire lengthy message): In my opinon, the expected compiler to be used for Windows binaries is VC++, whether it is proprietary or not (for example, ask Mozilla, or OpenOffice, or Python). Expected by whom? Microsoft does not provide a compiler and

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-03 Thread Matthew Talbert
I'll just say once again, that the sword binaries people are looking for at this point, is BibleCS 1.6.0 (which doesn't exist yet). There is *no* method of compiling this with gcc, so there's no point in even attempting it. The binaries of SWORD itself (including the utilities) are already

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-03 Thread Ben Morgan
Hi Jonathan, Visual Studio is the best way to compile on Windows. I used to compile with mingw + msys, but the environment feels slow and clumsy, and it produces larger, slower executables. And Visual Studio is free - you can download the express editions. Visual Studio seems to me much easier

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-03 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: Jonathan Morgan wrote (after quoting my entire lengthy message): In my opinon, the expected compiler to be used for Windows binaries is VC++, whether it is proprietary or not (for example, ask Mozilla, or

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-02 Thread David Haslam
Everyone, My tongue-in-cheek scratchy-head smiley provocative remark has achieved what I'd hoped for. viz. Some clarification of the perceptions and related technical background. For that I am profoundly grateful. One further point in my mind relates to the use of The SWORD Project for

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-02 Thread Jonathan Marsden
OK, I'll bite. Let's run with this discussion a bit... Greg Hellings wrote: Most Linux or FreeBSD users are familiar with a source tree compile with autotools. Really? In 2009? Do you have a source or at least some anecdotes to back up that idea? If you are correct, why was it valuable to

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-02 Thread jonathon
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 15:07, Jonathan Marsden wrote: I suggest that this is a clear sign that today's Linux distros do not expect their users to be experienced in downloading and compiling tarballs at a command line in order to install software :) I'd go further and suggest that Linux

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-02 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: OK, I'll bite.  Let's run with this discussion a bit... Greg Hellings wrote: Most Linux or FreeBSD users are familiar with a source tree compile with autotools. Really?  In 2009?  Do you have a source or at least

[sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins? (was: Help wanted on non-canonical text )

2009-10-01 Thread Jonathan Marsden
David Haslam wrote: I think those of us who are Windows users are regarded as poor cousins by some CrossWire programmers. :confused: I think you may have that somewhat backwards. CrossWire itself makes its source code available for download to everyone with Internet access, Linux and

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins? (was: Help wanted on non-canonical text )

2009-10-01 Thread Greg Hellings
I think there's a second perspective you can look at it from, which is in David's mind On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: David Haslam wrote: I think those of us who are Windows users are regarded as poor cousins by some CrossWire programmers.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-01 Thread Chris Little
Greg Hellings wrote: On another hand, one could also point out that autotools is native to the SWORD library, is regularly updated when file names, directory structures and the like change. Thus, at any given point, a user could just pull the SVN tree and have a very high probability of

Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as poor cousins?

2009-10-01 Thread Matthew Talbert
There are also file system paths on Windows which had not been tested, then were found to mishandle unicode.  Last I heard, this was not resolved -- though I understand that it works fine in Linux. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was an issue with Xiphos on Win32. I don't think