Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
As a note, in the old days we required people to enter NamesLikeThis into the signup box. People still made up plenty of bogus names, though. -p On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: Seems like a fair number of people, especially on new wikis seem to pass over the whole, we recommend you use your real name. I'm wondering if we should add a check or 2 on the registration process that looks for odd things like numbers in the name, and prompts. This doesn't appear to be your real name, real name's are important are you sure you want to use this name, checkbox. It's been so long, I actually don't really remember what the registration process says, guess I should look it up on me dev box. What do people think? Alex ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
I don't think we'll really deter people who really want bogus names. What I'm looking for is a way to make sure people realize what they are doing. You could call it informed dissent. So running various checks we think will work to detect non real names and prompting the user to acknowledge that a particular community prefers real names and they choose to not by in. I know several people who didn't read the why full names are important page until after they had created an account,started editing and someone pointed it out to them. Since we don't have any way to rename a user they are now stuck or have to kill their account and start a new one. So I'm thinking of legitimate users who just didn't read too carefully. Another way to solve the same issue would be to find a way to allow for renames, possibly through a workflow that requires human approval to make the change to prevent abuse. Thanks, Alex Philip Neustrom wrote: As a note, in the old days we required people to enter NamesLikeThis into the signup box. People still made up plenty of bogus names, though. -p On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: Seems like a fair number of people, especially on new wikis seem to pass over the whole, we recommend you use your real name. I'm wondering if we should add a check or 2 on the registration process that looks for odd things like numbers in the name, and prompts. This doesn't appear to be your real name, real name's are important are you sure you want to use this name, checkbox. It's been so long, I actually don't really remember what the registration process says, guess I should look it up on me dev box. What do people think? Alex ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
It's feasible with the current database structure to allow renames without screwing up the backend -- but it will of course break all of the links in the wiki. I wrote a patch some time ago to allow users to change their capitalization, though it hasn't been implemented yet. (Maybe to prevent aSiAnUsErNaMe syndrome?). Another alternative is to allow each site to display a message on the account registration page. [wiki:davis] says: Please remember to register with your [wiki:davis:Importance of using your Real Name]! It might be more prone to abuse, though. While I think we have the resources to handle the human approval of renames, I'm not sure what we'd be checking for. We don't verify that a user is who he says he is (unlike Facebook, who still won't let Sierra Student create an account `_´ ) -- we also don't want to be legally responsible for people making fake accounts. I guess you could put a limit of like one rename per day or something, I don't know. Still, it's an important enough issue to address. I believe it was one of the reasons Rochester forked off (although they didn't like the shared userspace idea in general). In an ideal world, we should be able to come up with some way to ask users to create accounts with real names. Davis benefitted from such a policy, and other wikis should be able to do the same. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: I don't think we'll really deter people who really want bogus names. What I'm looking for is a way to make sure people realize what they are doing. You could call it informed dissent. So running various checks we think will work to detect non real names and prompting the user to acknowledge that a particular community prefers real names and they choose to not by in. I know several people who didn't read the why full names are important page until after they had created an account,started editing and someone pointed it out to them. Since we don't have any way to rename a user they are now stuck or have to kill their account and start a new one. So I'm thinking of legitimate users who just didn't read too carefully. Another way to solve the same issue would be to find a way to allow for renames, possibly through a workflow that requires human approval to make the change to prevent abuse. Thanks, Alex Philip Neustrom wrote: As a note, in the old days we required people to enter NamesLikeThis into the signup box. People still made up plenty of bogus names, though. -p On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: Seems like a fair number of people, especially on new wikis seem to pass over the whole, we recommend you use your real name. I'm wondering if we should add a check or 2 on the registration process that looks for odd things like numbers in the name, and prompts. This doesn't appear to be your real name, real name's are important are you sure you want to use this name, checkbox. It's been so long, I actually don't really remember what the registration process says, guess I should look it up on me dev box. What do people think? Alex ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
Yeah, I like the idea of a descriptive box rather than a username check. -p On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Brent Laabs bsla...@gmail.com wrote: It's feasible with the current database structure to allow renames without screwing up the backend -- but it will of course break all of the links in the wiki. I wrote a patch some time ago to allow users to change their capitalization, though it hasn't been implemented yet. (Maybe to prevent aSiAnUsErNaMe syndrome?). Another alternative is to allow each site to display a message on the account registration page. [wiki:davis] says: Please remember to register with your [wiki:davis:Importance of using your Real Name]! It might be more prone to abuse, though. While I think we have the resources to handle the human approval of renames, I'm not sure what we'd be checking for. We don't verify that a user is who he says he is (unlike Facebook, who still won't let Sierra Student create an account `_´ ) -- we also don't want to be legally responsible for people making fake accounts. I guess you could put a limit of like one rename per day or something, I don't know. Still, it's an important enough issue to address. I believe it was one of the reasons Rochester forked off (although they didn't like the shared userspace idea in general). In an ideal world, we should be able to come up with some way to ask users to create accounts with real names. Davis benefitted from such a policy, and other wikis should be able to do the same. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: I don't think we'll really deter people who really want bogus names. What I'm looking for is a way to make sure people realize what they are doing. You could call it informed dissent. So running various checks we think will work to detect non real names and prompting the user to acknowledge that a particular community prefers real names and they choose to not by in. I know several people who didn't read the why full names are important page until after they had created an account,started editing and someone pointed it out to them. Since we don't have any way to rename a user they are now stuck or have to kill their account and start a new one. So I'm thinking of legitimate users who just didn't read too carefully. Another way to solve the same issue would be to find a way to allow for renames, possibly through a workflow that requires human approval to make the change to prevent abuse. Thanks, Alex Philip Neustrom wrote: As a note, in the old days we required people to enter NamesLikeThis into the signup box. People still made up plenty of bogus names, though. -p On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: Seems like a fair number of people, especially on new wikis seem to pass over the whole, we recommend you use your real name. I'm wondering if we should add a check or 2 on the registration process that looks for odd things like numbers in the name, and prompts. This doesn't appear to be your real name, real name's are important are you sure you want to use this name, checkbox. It's been so long, I actually don't really remember what the registration process says, guess I should look it up on me dev box. What do people think? Alex ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
Would this be an optional describive box that is turned on/off/customized by the admins? --a On Apr 24, 2009 3:14 PM, Philip Neustrom phil...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I like the idea of a descriptive box rather than a username check. -p On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Brent Laabs bsla...@gmail.com wrote: It's feasible with the cu... ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
Pseudonyms are not as bad as role based accounts. If they registered as pookybear and reveal either their name or share who they are on the page, they shouldn't feel the need to change their account name. On the other hand someone registering as CampusRec, or CranbrookManagement should close that account and come back under their real name. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Arlen Abraham arlen.abra...@gmail.comwrote: Would this be an optional describive box that is turned on/off/customized by the admins? --a On Apr 24, 2009 3:14 PM, Philip Neustrom phil...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I like the idea of a descriptive box rather than a username check. -p On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Brent Laabs bsla...@gmail.com wrote: It's feasible with the cu... ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev -- J.R. Aller jral...@gmail.com ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] Real Names
If implemented, this should only be enabled on a wiki-by-wiki basis. Even staying wiki-spot-centric for a moment, only certain wikis buy into the RealName thing. Not all communities think using RealNames is a good idea and wiki spot in general doesn't interfere with such things. On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: Seems like a fair number of people, especially on new wikis seem to pass over the whole, we recommend you use your real name. I'm wondering if we should add a check or 2 on the registration process that looks for odd things like numbers in the name, and prompts. This doesn't appear to be your real name, real name's are important are you sure you want to use this name, checkbox. It's been so long, I actually don't really remember what the registration process says, guess I should look it up on me dev box. What do people think? Alex ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list sycamore-...@wikispot.org http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/pipermail/sycamore-dev/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
