RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread John Calcote
Anton,   I could have been more clear on that point. These other standards describe publish/subscribe systems for event notification. I was referring to a standardized protocol for audit/log data. This data stream may be filtered by policy at various points in the stream, but it's not pub/sub.  

RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread Anton Okmianski \(aokmians\)
John:   The standards you listed define not just payload, but also the whole messaging.  WSDM uses SOAP over HTTP.  CIM-CX / WBEM - non-SOAP XML over HTTP.    I am not sure what we can add to help the above other than to say use TLS.    Or do you want syslog WG to provide an alternative mes

RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread Anton Okmianski \(aokmians\)
David: Please clarify... Are you suggesting we drop syslog-protocol, which actually defines message format, and just do a generic secure transport for events? Something that just does framing, app-level ack and had generic payload? And then we continue to live without syslog standard, waitin

RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread John Calcote
Jumping in to add my two cents...   I quite agree with David on this point. If the syslog WG chose to begin work on network management issues, it would be stepping into a realm already well covered by other standards efforts. However - what the world does need is a standardized and widely underst

RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread David Harrington
Hi, [posting as a contributor] I recommend this WG make a clear separation (as much as is possible) between issues of security and issues of network management. Issues such as harmonization with the work of other SDOs, integration with netconf, message formatting, content standardization, and s

RE: [Syslog] Decisions to make about the Huawei IPR claim

2006-06-30 Thread Rainer Gerhards
David, I fully agree with your thought. I, too, think we must put emphasis on the delivery of documents. In my personal opinion, this leaves only two realistic options: a) rfc 3195bis as you have described it (without the "rathole discussion") b) -transport-tls more or less as it is now I think